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Indonesian Airforce C-130 crash
Story from the Australian Broadcasting news
Indonesian Hercules crashes with 100 on board Posted 43 minutes ago An Indonesian military transport plane carrying 13 crew and about 96 passengers has crashed in Madiun in East Java, an air force spokesman says. The number of casualties was unclear, said spokesman Bambang Soelistyo. He said the C-130 Hercules transport plane had been flying from Jakarta to the eastern part of Java island. Other reports said the plane crashed into several houses and at least two people were dead. - Reuters |
Local news is reporting that a wing fell off prior to impact
Looks like no survivors , TV footage shows just the tail section intact and the rest of the aircraft totally destroyed |
How the heck do you shove 13 crew and 96 passengers into an H model Herc????? They had their gear on as well!
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BBC24 are leading with this story:
"Plane smashed into houses before skidding through a rice field and bursting into flames" "Only part of the plane intact is the tail" "Among the passengers were 10 children" 64 feared dead. Apparently it was carrying military aircrew and their family's, having left Jakarta and due to make "many stops" in eastern Indonesia. I purposely put those in quotations as i hear them off the news, as I don't want to be accused of making false statements |
Local news is reporting that a wing fell off prior to impact One of the more horrifying things I've seen on video was a Hawkins and Powers A-model fire tanker suffering a center wing box failure while maneuvering hard at low altitude to make a fire drop. Both wings departed the airframe almost instantaneously. The Hercules is an amazingly tough and well engineered bird, but cycle time and corrosion can make it structurally unsafe, just as with any other aircraft. |
The C130 was about 5nm on approach to Madiun AFB
Wreckage is inverted in rice paddies |
Which model C130
Willoz269, not sure it was an "H" model, certainly a different "duck's arse" to the RAAF "H" model which is squared off to accommodate the on-board EPIRB. Doesn't matter anyway, unless it was stretched, as all the C130's to the J were the same as far as pax capacity. Report I read made no mention of wing separation.
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Which model C130 |
ABC news latest
78 dead in Indonesian Hercules crash
Posted 4 hours 27 minutes ago Updated 1 hour 29 minutes ago http://www.abc.net.au/reslib/200905/r374199_1738382.jpgThe burning wreckage of the Hercules lies scattered in East Java. (Reuters)At least 78 people were killed when an Indonesian military transport plane crashed Wednesday in East Java, an air force spokesman said. "The latest data that I have received is there have been 78 people killed in the accident... This number can rise because the evacuation process is still going on," Bambang Sulistio said. Television footage showed the burning wreckage of the Hercules scattered in rice paddies in Magetan, about 160 kilometres east of Yogyakarta. "The plane hit some houses, bounced, hit the ground and then caught fire," one witness told Metro TV. East Java military chief Suwarno told the state-run Antara news agency that the aircraft was carrying 98 passengers and 14 crew. The crash occurred as the plane was preparing to land at Iswahyudi military air base. "About 15 metres of the tail is still intact, but the body to the front is broken and burnt," said Suwardi, a subdistrict head, in the district of Karas in Magetan. "Earlier we heard blasts. But not anymore, now the plane is still on fire," added the official, who said air force personnel were trying to evacuate victims but the site was difficult to reach because it was on the fringe of a rice field. It is the second accident involving an Indonesian air force Hercules in two weeks, after one overshot the runway of Wamena airport in Papua on May 10. One person was reportedly injured in that incident. In response to the Wamena accident, the air force said it would check its Hercules fleet, which is being upgraded with airframe and engine capability improvements. Early last month, 24 military personnel died when their Fokker 27 training aircraft careered into a hangar and burst into flames at an air base in West Java. Indonesia is the world's largest archipelagic nation and relies heavily on air travel, but accidents are common and its commercial airlines are banned from flying in European Union airspace for safety reasons. - AFP/Reuters |
Which model
aseanaero. That explains my question then, the L100 series are civilianised "E" models and I think the Indonesian Air Force has a number of L100-30's.
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Perhaps an aside, Indonesian aircraft are still banned from European air space, and for good reasons, but what is Indonesia doing to fix the problems?
Look away, it might go away? |
Very Sad - as 'families' will likely include wives and kids. RIP.
Maybe we should let the investigators investigate before spouting any theories. flipster |
Here's where the wing coming off was reported earlier this morning
KOMPAS.com - Sayap Hercules Copot Sebelum Jatuh "Sayap Hercules Copot Sebelum Jatuh" loosely translated means "Hercules wing off before crashing" Who knows what really happened but that was the initial report in one of the local papers this morning. I have a lot of respect for the air force here and they have been pouring a LOT of money into the Hercs since the 2004 tsunami playing catch up on the 10 yrs prior when they had a spares embargo so it's not through lack of effort. The air force is a tight knit family (most serve for life) and this will hit them HARD. Turut berduka cita |
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The reason could be clear
Ha!!! there we have the reason! most likely could have been and overload of the aircraft and could not maintain the climb rate, aircraft stalls, and boom!
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Originally Posted by SE-EMG
(Post 4942531)
Ha!!! there we have the reason! most likely could have been and overload of the aircraft and could not maintain the climb rate, aircraft stalls, and boom!
cnut.................:hmm: |
wasn't the plane landing and not taking off?
I do know of one case where a plane was overloaded...took off fine, but the crew used a much lighter vref on landing and hit hard enough to drive gear up through wings...it wasn't a C130 in my example though. |
:hmm: Tested to over twice the safe load surely!
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BBC report 110+ on board!
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To any C-130 pilots , at 3 to 5 NM from the airfield how much flap would typically already be deployed in calm conditions ?
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