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St Athan Grob Aircraft Crash In Wales

Old 11th Feb 2009, 18:12
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Si, I hope you won't let this sad accident put him (or indeed you) off. As said above, the vast majority of cadets join up because flying is what they want to do, and it is such a fantastic, life changing experience. My heart goes out to the families, blood and extended, who will be feeling the aftermath of this accident keenly.

They shall not grow old, as those who are left grow old....
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Old 11th Feb 2009, 18:15
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Matt, it certainly won't put me or him off. As in all these things there will probably never be a safer time to undertake all such activities.
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Old 11th Feb 2009, 18:23
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I'm glad to hear that Si. The aef's have an excellent record in terms of safety. In fact, this is the first accident involving their planes that I've heard of.

I flew with 5AEF back in the days when they had the Chipmunk, and also the Bulldog, and those experiences I will always treasure.

To the four members of the cadet extended family that passed today, may your days be forever filled with joy and flying!
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Old 11th Feb 2009, 18:25
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Bugger. AEF has introduced so many to aviation - me in the back of a chippy at newton 1970-something for one. Now I do the same for the keen young ones in east mids (poss yrs, Si) and the pleasure and satisfaction of watching a nervous/scared first timer do the wide eyed grin is hard to describe.

Condolences to all.

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Old 11th Feb 2009, 18:27
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Channel 4 claim one pilot ejected. Still 4 confirmed fatalities..

God be with you for all involved
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Old 11th Feb 2009, 18:52
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I too live not far from the site and was stunned when i heard the news today. I did a very simular flight along the same route not too long ago. Thoughts go out to all those involved and affected by this tragedy.
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Old 11th Feb 2009, 18:53
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From a Dad whose daughter hopes to be a doctor in the RAF, condolences to all.
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Old 11th Feb 2009, 18:56
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A very sad day for the Royal Air Force and for the Air Training Corps. RIP, with heartfelt condolences to all the families involved.
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Old 11th Feb 2009, 18:56
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Very sad day. I was involved with the Air Cadets for a number of years, the AEF guys do a fantastic job introducing youngsters to our profession.

I shall raise a glass or two tonight.

RIP...Venture, Adventure

Comjam ("Venture 8" many moons ago)

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Old 11th Feb 2009, 19:13
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Ex UWAS, my thoughts go to all the staff, studes and cadets down that part of the world
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Old 11th Feb 2009, 19:27
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All I can do is offer my condolences to the family of the Cadets and Instructors involved.

My most fond memories of the ATC were the Air Experience Flights, I was lucky and managed to get a fair few flights. I wouldn't be into flying today if it weren't for the ATC and the opportunities they provide. I felt genuinely sad when I found out earlier today, never mind my anger at people stating speculation as fact before even the next-of-kin have been informed.

However, not is not the time to pick a fight. All my thoughts go to the families.
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Old 11th Feb 2009, 19:33
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I was an ATC Cadet from 1961 - 1965 after which I joined the RAF as an Officer Cadet at 18 and became a Pilot. My Father was Chairman of the ATC Sqn Committee and my Mother ran the "Canteen". My youngest Brother worked his way up the ranks to CWO and then obtained a VR/T Commission. I was ACLO at Abingdon for 2 years and at Manby for 3 years - I take great exception to the suggestion that I show a lack of respect and understanding of the Cadet Organisation at this tragic time.

The BOI will be on its way to investigate this tragedy and it is incumbent on us all to let the BOI carry out its investigation without outside interference or hindrence. The last thing that is needed at this time is another "Walter" - although it appears that some "explanations" are already being aired. The Press will carry Articles exposing shortcomings in AEF standards of Maintenance and Airmanship; calling for the disbandment of the Air Cadet Organisation as well as the ACF, Sea cadets, RM Cadets and anything else they can call to mind.

This is a sad day for all of us - but let us not forget that those who tragically lost their lives did so doing what they yearned to do. It is no consolation - but it may at least ease the pain.
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Old 11th Feb 2009, 19:34
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I hope to god that I donít offend anybody by this, but at the earliest opportunity me and my wife are going to walk up to the crash site and leave some flowers.

If anybody would like us to leave a personal message please me PM me and I will do all I can to accommodate your wishes.
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Old 11th Feb 2009, 19:35
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Ex air cadet & ex VR(T) - taken many, many cdts to the AEF over the years and seen the smiles and heard them telling their mates all about it on the way home...
Sincere condolences to the families of all involved and thoughts & prayers for those who have lost their lives.

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Old 11th Feb 2009, 19:40
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I am a current air cadet and I can't tell you how shocking and upsetting this is.

I've been in contact with a few fellow cadet NCO's and all are equally stunned. The safety instruction video they always show you before flying is always taken a bit light-heatedly, I even admit to laughing at the terrible acting. But it has now made me realise how important that video is.

I will never laugh at it again.

RIP cadets, Venture Adventure.
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Old 11th Feb 2009, 19:44
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Sad, Sad day

Ex ATC, Gliding and AEF 'staff cadet' ... made it Group 1 Phase1.

My fondest memories are those easy days with no worries and a Chippy flight!

RIP all

My thoughts go to the families of all involved.

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Old 11th Feb 2009, 19:45
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Sincere and deepest condolences to the families of those involved - a very, very sad day. RIP.

Old 11th Feb 2009, 19:49
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>Ex UWAS, my thoughts go to all the staff, studes and cadets down that part of the world<

Also ex-UWAS and current VGS; my most sincere sympathy and condolences to the families and friends of all concerned.

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Old 11th Feb 2009, 19:52
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A very sad day for so many. You are in our thoughts.

RIP and God Bless


It will be of little consolation to the families right now but they died doing something they loved, a thought that may eventually bring a crumb of comfort.
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Old 11th Feb 2009, 19:54
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As with us all my thoughts go to ALL the families involved as well as the people dealing with the aftermath of this tragedy.
As a VR(T) sqn cmdr with cdts due to fly on sunday. I have no worries about letting the cdts go up.
I'd go so far as to let my 10yr old daughter go up first with me following close second to prove to any concerned parents that it's safe.
As far as anything can be safe.
Having driven round the Bradford ringroad to get to work; I'd take a Tutor flight anyday!

May their souls rest in peace.

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