Pay Rise on 1st April 09?
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Nail on head Tiger Mate, as long as they can overdose on cheap Alcopops & KFC and a daily fix of Jeremy Kyle, they dont give two hoots about the military.
I come from one of the regional/family ties that you talk about. Some of the sharper ones are finally realising that the last 12 yrs have been nothing but smoke & mirrors.
Maybe this govt realise their time is up. Their heads will be in the trough for the next 12 months till the party is over, treat the Forces with contempt over the announcement of AFPRB 09, abandon pay mechanisms (Sept 08 RPI) and then shaft them with a below inflation pay rise, after all, 'there are no votes in defence'!
I cannot understand why the opposition parties are not giving the govt a hard time of this. Surely, there is easy political capital to be made from this?
I come from one of the regional/family ties that you talk about. Some of the sharper ones are finally realising that the last 12 yrs have been nothing but smoke & mirrors.
Maybe this govt realise their time is up. Their heads will be in the trough for the next 12 months till the party is over, treat the Forces with contempt over the announcement of AFPRB 09, abandon pay mechanisms (Sept 08 RPI) and then shaft them with a below inflation pay rise, after all, 'there are no votes in defence'!
I cannot understand why the opposition parties are not giving the govt a hard time of this. Surely, there is easy political capital to be made from this?
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There are votes in defence - mine and many others. Quite aside from those currently serving, and their families and friends, there are the many (tens of thousands of) of us who served before.
You are not and never have been alone.
You are not and never have been alone.
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FFF,
Your quite right and hopefully, it will make a difference. If you ever have the misfortune of chatting to NuLab supporters/attivists well away form any military bases, this is the mantra you often hear.
Your quite right and hopefully, it will make a difference. If you ever have the misfortune of chatting to NuLab supporters/attivists well away form any military bases, this is the mantra you often hear.
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Word from MoD today agrees; 2.8% it is then. Interesting to note that Police pension (father-in-law!) increase is 5% based on Sep 08 RPI. Where is the sense in that?
Word from MoD today agrees; 2.8% it is then. Interesting to note that Police pension (father-in-law!) increase is 5% based on Sep 08 RPI. Where is the sense in that?
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House of Commons Order of Business Tuesday 31 March 2009
Written Ministerial Statements to be made today
Statement #9. Secretary of State for Defence: Armed Forces’ Pay Review Body—Response to recommendations.
Brace Brace Brace !!
Written Ministerial Statements to be made today
Statement #9. Secretary of State for Defence: Armed Forces’ Pay Review Body—Response to recommendations.
Brace Brace Brace !!
From FT.com:
Are there any 'Al Pollock' type folk left in the RAF? Remember his Tower Bridge and Houses of Parliament fly-by on 4 Apr 1968.....
That certainly got the government's attention!!
The government will today announce its long-awaited response to the pay recommendations for 2009-10 from the senior salaries review body – affecting the senior military, senior National Health Service managers, the judiciary and senior civil servants – the armed forces pay review body and the doctors and dentists review body. Mr Brown ordered all ministers to reject a 2.33 per cent pay increase for MPs for this financial year, announced on Monday, as well as freezing ministerial salaries. MPs’ pay will rise from £63,291 to £64,766.
“Their pay has been frozen. That’s the right thing to do when people are suffering in the economy,” Mr Brown told a Downing Street press conference. “I made that decision myself and ministers have supported that decision.”
“Their pay has been frozen. That’s the right thing to do when people are suffering in the economy,” Mr Brown told a Downing Street press conference. “I made that decision myself and ministers have supported that decision.”
That certainly got the government's attention!!
Report available from the OME here, by the looks of things!
Key Recommendations:
A 2.8 per cent increase in military salaries;
Targeted pay measures including:
• A 5 per cent minimum pay increase on promotion to OR6;
• New Commitment Bonuses and associated transitional arrangements;
• A reduction in the qualifying periods for Longer Separation Allowance;
• New pay spines and Specialist Pay for Service Nurses;
• A new RN Clearance Divers’ pay spine and two new supplementary rates
of Diving Pay for EOD qualified Divers; and
• Targeted increases to Hydrographic Pay;
A 2.8 per cent increase in Specialist Pay, Compensatory Allowances and
Reserves’ Bounties; and
A 3.7 per cent increase to Grade 1 SFA/SLA rental charges and lower
graduated increases below Grade 1, a further phased increase to garage rent
and a Daily Food Charge of £4.07.
Key Recommendations:
A 2.8 per cent increase in military salaries;
Targeted pay measures including:
• A 5 per cent minimum pay increase on promotion to OR6;
• New Commitment Bonuses and associated transitional arrangements;
• A reduction in the qualifying periods for Longer Separation Allowance;
• New pay spines and Specialist Pay for Service Nurses;
• A new RN Clearance Divers’ pay spine and two new supplementary rates
of Diving Pay for EOD qualified Divers; and
• Targeted increases to Hydrographic Pay;
A 2.8 per cent increase in Specialist Pay, Compensatory Allowances and
Reserves’ Bounties; and
A 3.7 per cent increase to Grade 1 SFA/SLA rental charges and lower
graduated increases below Grade 1, a further phased increase to garage rent
and a Daily Food Charge of £4.07.
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In line with the Armed Forces' Pay Review Body (AFPRB) recommendations, the basic military salary for officers and all other ranks will increase by 2.8 per cent, Defence Secretary John Hutton announced today, Wednesday 31 March 2009.
In addition, the rates of Specialist Pay (including Flying Pay, Submarine Pay and Diving Pay) will also increase by 2.8 per cent.
The Government has also accepted the AFPRB recommendations on a number of targeted financial measures, including a minimum pay increase on promotion to the rank of Sergeant and Petty Officer of 5 per cent and a reduction in the qualifying period between each level of Longer Separation Allowance.
The AFPRB has also endorsed the improved Commitment Bonus arrangements.
Announcing this year's pay review today Mr Hutton said:
"The 2009 Report of the Armed Forces' Pay Review Body has now been published. I wish to express my thanks to the Chairman and members of the Review Body for their Report. I am pleased to confirm that the AFPRB's recommendations are to be accepted in full, with implementation effective from 1 April 2009."
Copies of the Armed Forces' Pay Review Body Report are available in the Vote Office and the Library of the House.
The MPs 2.3% Pay Rise got negative press in todays newspapers, which will make for interesting headlines tomorrow.[/
In addition, the rates of Specialist Pay (including Flying Pay, Submarine Pay and Diving Pay) will also increase by 2.8 per cent.
The Government has also accepted the AFPRB recommendations on a number of targeted financial measures, including a minimum pay increase on promotion to the rank of Sergeant and Petty Officer of 5 per cent and a reduction in the qualifying period between each level of Longer Separation Allowance.
The AFPRB has also endorsed the improved Commitment Bonus arrangements.
Announcing this year's pay review today Mr Hutton said:
"The 2009 Report of the Armed Forces' Pay Review Body has now been published. I wish to express my thanks to the Chairman and members of the Review Body for their Report. I am pleased to confirm that the AFPRB's recommendations are to be accepted in full, with implementation effective from 1 April 2009."
Copies of the Armed Forces' Pay Review Body Report are available in the Vote Office and the Library of the House.
The MPs 2.3% Pay Rise got negative press in todays newspapers, which will make for interesting headlines tomorrow.[/
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2009 PAS Sky Gods rates:
*Rumoured change in capping bars has not happened*
Table 1.8: Recommended Professional Aviator Pay Spine
Increment Level Military salary
£
Level 35 76,103
Level 34 75,060
Level 33 74,012
Level 32 72,968
Level 31 71,928
Level 30a 70,876
Level 29 69,840
Level 28b 68,793
Level 27 67,741
Level 26 66,705
Level 25 65,653
Level 24 64,613
Level 23 63,646
Level 22c 62,433
Level 21 61,273
Level 20d 60,105
Level 19 58,948
Level 18 57,788
Level 17 56,628
Level 16e 55,468
Level 15 54,307
Level 14 53,147
Level 13 51,979
Level 12f 50,823
Level 11 49,662
Level 10 48,996
Level 9 48,233
Level 8 47,462
Level 7 46,699
Level 6 45,933
Level 5 45,162
Level 4 44,395
Level 3 43,628
Level 2 42,857
Level 1 42,087
a Weapon Systems Officers (Navigators) cannot progress beyond Increment Level 30.
b Rear Crew cannot progress beyond Increment Level 28.
c NCO Pilots cannot progress beyond Increment Level 22.
d RAF Non-Commissioned Master Aircrew cannot progress beyond Increment Level 20.
e RAF Non-Commissioned Aircrew Flight Sergeants cannot progress beyond Increment Level 16.
f RAF Non-Commissioned Aircrew Sergeants cannot progress beyond Increment Level 12.
*Rumoured change in capping bars has not happened*
Table 1.8: Recommended Professional Aviator Pay Spine
Increment Level Military salary
£
Level 35 76,103
Level 34 75,060
Level 33 74,012
Level 32 72,968
Level 31 71,928
Level 30a 70,876
Level 29 69,840
Level 28b 68,793
Level 27 67,741
Level 26 66,705
Level 25 65,653
Level 24 64,613
Level 23 63,646
Level 22c 62,433
Level 21 61,273
Level 20d 60,105
Level 19 58,948
Level 18 57,788
Level 17 56,628
Level 16e 55,468
Level 15 54,307
Level 14 53,147
Level 13 51,979
Level 12f 50,823
Level 11 49,662
Level 10 48,996
Level 9 48,233
Level 8 47,462
Level 7 46,699
Level 6 45,933
Level 5 45,162
Level 4 44,395
Level 3 43,628
Level 2 42,857
Level 1 42,087
a Weapon Systems Officers (Navigators) cannot progress beyond Increment Level 30.
b Rear Crew cannot progress beyond Increment Level 28.
c NCO Pilots cannot progress beyond Increment Level 22.
d RAF Non-Commissioned Master Aircrew cannot progress beyond Increment Level 20.
e RAF Non-Commissioned Aircrew Flight Sergeants cannot progress beyond Increment Level 16.
f RAF Non-Commissioned Aircrew Sergeants cannot progress beyond Increment Level 12.
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