Pay Rise on 1st April 09?
Apologies, slight thread drift however ....
Unclenelli
Sadly, I understand the reasons for the premium increase is due to the number of claims it has paid out in recent years (certainly that was the reason for the last hike).
And not wishing to teach you to suck eggs but before you cast PAX aside do get replacement cover in place and read the small print very carefully! There aren't many insurance companies out there who will give life/injury cover for war/terrorism (which is what most, if not all, insurance compnies consider TELIC/HERRICK to be). In the same way a lot of the High Street holiday insurance policies do not cover you for cancellation of holiday due to Service needs/war etc.
FFP
Sorry to get your hopes up again! If it helps I think the pay rise should be the same as the Armed Forces pension increase for 2009 which IIRC was based on a September inflation figure (don't ask me which kind!) of 5%. However, I won't hold my breath!
Unclenelli
Sadly, I understand the reasons for the premium increase is due to the number of claims it has paid out in recent years (certainly that was the reason for the last hike).
And not wishing to teach you to suck eggs but before you cast PAX aside do get replacement cover in place and read the small print very carefully! There aren't many insurance companies out there who will give life/injury cover for war/terrorism (which is what most, if not all, insurance compnies consider TELIC/HERRICK to be). In the same way a lot of the High Street holiday insurance policies do not cover you for cancellation of holiday due to Service needs/war etc.
FFP
Sorry to get your hopes up again! If it helps I think the pay rise should be the same as the Armed Forces pension increase for 2009 which IIRC was based on a September inflation figure (don't ask me which kind!) of 5%. However, I won't hold my breath!
Just heard that the pay remit (the lump of cash that gets divvied for the public sector) hasn't been decided and that HMG is getting jumpy because some sectors got multi year deals which now look terribly expensive! Pay budgets have been set back to April but things are getting tight because the Nurses, Armed Forces and Police pay review bodies are due to report in soon.
As a Simple Serpant, I'm expecting SFA to be honest. Besides all the money has gone to HBOS etc to pay the bonuses.
As a Simple Serpant, I'm expecting SFA to be honest. Besides all the money has gone to HBOS etc to pay the bonuses.
"freely admit" is one way of putting it.
Openly bragging at every post because you want to impress the internet might be another way.
Well done though.
Openly bragging at every post because you want to impress the internet might be another way.
Well done though.
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You do seem to wish to go out of your way to insult other contributors to these treads.
You labelled me as a "TURNCOAT" because I live in France -a Country I visited often On Duty with the RAF. My user name, however, is the name of the small Hamlet we live in which (according to the latest historical research) was the most forward outpost of the English Armies in SW France during the Hundred Years War.
I am happy to assure you that the English still own 70% of the property here.
I can only assume that your application to join the RAF was rejected because of your manifest unsuitability (something you demonstrate with every post) and you now wish to belittle those who have honourably served their Country to assuage your anger at rejection. If I am wrong in that assumption then I would most strongly suggest that you seek Medical help as a matter of urgency before your delusions take a stronger hold and lead to a situation which could lead to unforeseen consequencies.
You do seem to wish to go out of your way to insult other contributors to these treads.
You labelled me as a "TURNCOAT" because I live in France -a Country I visited often On Duty with the RAF. My user name, however, is the name of the small Hamlet we live in which (according to the latest historical research) was the most forward outpost of the English Armies in SW France during the Hundred Years War.
I am happy to assure you that the English still own 70% of the property here.
I can only assume that your application to join the RAF was rejected because of your manifest unsuitability (something you demonstrate with every post) and you now wish to belittle those who have honourably served their Country to assuage your anger at rejection. If I am wrong in that assumption then I would most strongly suggest that you seek Medical help as a matter of urgency before your delusions take a stronger hold and lead to a situation which could lead to unforeseen consequencies.
I think you might need some medical attention yourself for that blood pressure - calm down man! As has been asked already, how did you serve 30 + years yet avoid banter entirely?
My delusions are what exactly?
You live in France - you left the United Kingdom of Great Britain behind.
Most servicemen visit many, many countries in the course of their duties but that doesn't mean its right that they should move there AND expect to have a say in the country they left behind.
My poke at you started with your apparent annoyance at not being able to vote in the UK, which I considered a little rich, since you have left! That along with your need to tell everyone how many days you served and how great you obviously are!
I just googled Cazatou and lot 46 looks amazing. Enjoy it, I don't blame you.
Au revoir mon ami.
My delusions are what exactly?
You live in France - you left the United Kingdom of Great Britain behind.
Most servicemen visit many, many countries in the course of their duties but that doesn't mean its right that they should move there AND expect to have a say in the country they left behind.
My poke at you started with your apparent annoyance at not being able to vote in the UK, which I considered a little rich, since you have left! That along with your need to tell everyone how many days you served and how great you obviously are!
I just googled Cazatou and lot 46 looks amazing. Enjoy it, I don't blame you.
Au revoir mon ami.
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I did say I'd be opting out as soon as I return home.
What I won't be doing is paying out those rates for the 18mths I'm at home in Blighty awaiting the next trip to the sandpit, where chances are, I'll have no option but to fork out for their cover - but for 4 months only!
I did mention it -despite thread-drift- as it is another charge we end up paying out for, even those of us lucky enough to possess a mortgage.
At least when I was paying food & accommodation on top of my mortgage, and diesel at £1.35+/litre, they were at least regulated by AFPRB, unlike PAX which is down to the whim of AIG.
I did say I'd be opting out as soon as I return home.
What I won't be doing is paying out those rates for the 18mths I'm at home in Blighty awaiting the next trip to the sandpit, where chances are, I'll have no option but to fork out for their cover - but for 4 months only!
I did mention it -despite thread-drift- as it is another charge we end up paying out for, even those of us lucky enough to possess a mortgage.
At least when I was paying food & accommodation on top of my mortgage, and diesel at £1.35+/litre, they were at least regulated by AFPRB, unlike PAX which is down to the whim of AIG.
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On the subject of increased life/ injury insurance premiums - aren't we entitled to claim back any excess premium due to the risks of our jobs??? I seem to remember something like that on life insurance for aircrew....
With regard to the pay increase (or lack thereof) and charges going up (undoubtedly), I for one am in a quarter, and whilst it's not the best quality in the world and my landlord seems to still think it's 1970 regarding tenants rights, I am paying a LOT less than market rates for accommodation so if it does go up by a few percent more than my pay I really don't feel I'd have a leg to stand on by complaining. Remember also that most of us get a payrise every year by way of increments - most civvies get one annual payrise....
Before the knives are thrown, I agree wholeheartedly that MOST servicemen and women deserve to be paid more full stop, especially those at the lower ends of the payscales, who it must be remembered make up the majority of those being shot at and blown up on a daily basis for less than minimum wage and some even on income support - now that is wrong
With regard to the pay increase (or lack thereof) and charges going up (undoubtedly), I for one am in a quarter, and whilst it's not the best quality in the world and my landlord seems to still think it's 1970 regarding tenants rights, I am paying a LOT less than market rates for accommodation so if it does go up by a few percent more than my pay I really don't feel I'd have a leg to stand on by complaining. Remember also that most of us get a payrise every year by way of increments - most civvies get one annual payrise....
Before the knives are thrown, I agree wholeheartedly that MOST servicemen and women deserve to be paid more full stop, especially those at the lower ends of the payscales, who it must be remembered make up the majority of those being shot at and blown up on a daily basis for less than minimum wage and some even on income support - now that is wrong
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Brown's Pledge on Forces' Pay
BBC News - 5 Jun 08
Well, I guess we'll soon know.
The prime minister says the government will do "everything in our power" to help members of the armed forces, after criticism of how much they get paid.
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Mr Brown said: "I recognise the huge contribution that our armed forces make to the security of the country and we will continue to try to reward our armed forces for the dedication and commitment they show, often in very difficult theatres of war".
"We will do everything in our power in the years to come to recognise the great individual contribution that is made by all the members of the Army, the navy, and the air force."
He said that the most junior grades received a 9% pay rise last year, "and that is an indication of how we wish to help the people in our armed forces".
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Mr Brown said: "I recognise the huge contribution that our armed forces make to the security of the country and we will continue to try to reward our armed forces for the dedication and commitment they show, often in very difficult theatres of war".
"We will do everything in our power in the years to come to recognise the great individual contribution that is made by all the members of the Army, the navy, and the air force."
He said that the most junior grades received a 9% pay rise last year, "and that is an indication of how we wish to help the people in our armed forces".
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LFFC
Great link, apart from the fact it is from June 2008. The 9% pay rise for the lowest ranks was two years ago now, and the quote from Mr Brown was before the credit crunch arrived, with "...need to tighten belts...", etc, etc
Great link, apart from the fact it is from June 2008. The 9% pay rise for the lowest ranks was two years ago now, and the quote from Mr Brown was before the credit crunch arrived, with "...need to tighten belts...", etc, etc
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Biggus,
Very true, and that's why I put the date in the link - I didn't want anyone to be confused. But Brown made those comments only 9 months ago - not 2 years ago!
Yes, it was before the Credit Crunch, but the principle remains the same; the PM said that the government would "do everything in our power" to help members of the Armed Forces. They seem to have a lot of power to inject vast sums of money into the banks, reduce VAT, and the less said about "quantitative easing" the better!
So let's wait and see just how much they value the Armed Forces.
Very true, and that's why I put the date in the link - I didn't want anyone to be confused. But Brown made those comments only 9 months ago - not 2 years ago!
Yes, it was before the Credit Crunch, but the principle remains the same; the PM said that the government would "do everything in our power" to help members of the Armed Forces. They seem to have a lot of power to inject vast sums of money into the banks, reduce VAT, and the less said about "quantitative easing" the better!
So let's wait and see just how much they value the Armed Forces.
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The 1975 pay rise was the pay rise "we would never forget".
Well, they were certainly right about that - particularly as it was accompanied by a major redundancy package - one that put anything since WW2 in the shade.
Worse than that was the effect on the training and experience level of those that were left who had to cope with inadequate equipment, poorly trained personnel and extremely limited supplies of spares and reinforcements. The result was that the personnel who could be relied on to do the job did not maintain currency whilst hundreds of hours were wasted on people who should never have got that far but "the system" insisted that there was no such thing as a "Bad Student" - only "Bad Instructors".
Those who think I am "gilding the lily" should consider the fact that some of those who were made "Redundant" in 1975 were back in "Harness" 3 years later in a higher rank whilst the Aircrew were left with the same Aircraft & Weapons and a reduced expertise amongst the groundcrew.
It cannot be too long before a General Election is called and -whilst it would be totally improper for us to attempt to attempt to influence the General Public with scare stories - there is, however, no bar for those who are interested in Defence matters and who could perceive that current policies are misleading.
HMG should be under NO illusion that its policies in regard of the Armed Forces are sustainable even in in the short term - any attempt to continue to treat the Armed Forces with the same contempt that has been apparent over the last ten years will lead to the total and irredeemable collapse of the Armed Forces as we know them.
Well, they were certainly right about that - particularly as it was accompanied by a major redundancy package - one that put anything since WW2 in the shade.
Worse than that was the effect on the training and experience level of those that were left who had to cope with inadequate equipment, poorly trained personnel and extremely limited supplies of spares and reinforcements. The result was that the personnel who could be relied on to do the job did not maintain currency whilst hundreds of hours were wasted on people who should never have got that far but "the system" insisted that there was no such thing as a "Bad Student" - only "Bad Instructors".
Those who think I am "gilding the lily" should consider the fact that some of those who were made "Redundant" in 1975 were back in "Harness" 3 years later in a higher rank whilst the Aircrew were left with the same Aircraft & Weapons and a reduced expertise amongst the groundcrew.
It cannot be too long before a General Election is called and -whilst it would be totally improper for us to attempt to attempt to influence the General Public with scare stories - there is, however, no bar for those who are interested in Defence matters and who could perceive that current policies are misleading.
HMG should be under NO illusion that its policies in regard of the Armed Forces are sustainable even in in the short term - any attempt to continue to treat the Armed Forces with the same contempt that has been apparent over the last ten years will lead to the total and irredeemable collapse of the Armed Forces as we know them.
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Document Says 'Updated Mar 09'
Take a look here:
http://www.mod.uk/NR/rdonlyres/A2F5D...0/tlmmar09.pdf
or here, then the Mar 09 PDF
Ministry of Defence | About Defence | Corporate Publications | Policy Strategy and Planning | Top Level Messages
Then Page 9, where it says this:
Pay: A 2.6% pay rise, which sees, for the second year running, the pay increase for the Armed Forces being amongst the highest in the public sector. There was also a 1% increase in the X-Factor this year.
Some people saying this is last years' news, but the document header says UPDATED MONTHLY – MARCH 2009 VERSION. Do your own research....
http://www.mod.uk/NR/rdonlyres/A2F5D...0/tlmmar09.pdf
or here, then the Mar 09 PDF
Ministry of Defence | About Defence | Corporate Publications | Policy Strategy and Planning | Top Level Messages
Then Page 9, where it says this:
Pay: A 2.6% pay rise, which sees, for the second year running, the pay increase for the Armed Forces being amongst the highest in the public sector. There was also a 1% increase in the X-Factor this year.
Some people saying this is last years' news, but the document header says UPDATED MONTHLY – MARCH 2009 VERSION. Do your own research....
