Honours List

[Melchett01]

New Honours list is out for those of you interested or just morbidly curious as to how Bloggs has managed it again! Well done to all concerned.

http://http://www.raf.mod.uk/news/ne...onours2009.cfm

[Avitor]

Have you got the correct URL? It does not function for me!

[Melchett01]

ORDER NO 1 – THE NEW YEAR HONOURS LIST 2009
1. The names of the following personnel, who are currently serving or have recently served in the RAF, are included in the New Year Honours List 2009.

APPOINTMENT TO THE MILITARY DIVISION OF THE MOST HONOURABLE ORDER OF THE BATH
As Knight Commander
AM CH Moran OBE MVO GD DCINC JFC Brunssum
AM S W Peach CBE GD CDI

As Companion
AVM C W Ness GD MOD Policy & Commitments



APPOINTMENTS TO THE MILITARY DIVISION OF THE MOST EXCELLENT ORDER OF THE BRITISH EMPIRE
As Commanders
Air Cdre P C Osborn OBE GD MOD DEC ex RAF Marham
Gp Capt M A B Brecht OBE GD RCDS ex RAF Brize Norton
Gp Capt E J Stringer OBE GD 904 EAW ex RAF Leeming

As Officers
Wg Cdr D R Andrew GD HQ Air JALO ex RAF Marham (now Gp Capt)
Wg Cdr L J Bennett GD BDS Washington ex RAF Coningsby
Wg Cdr I Duguid GD HQ Air ex RAF Cottesmore (now Gp Capt)
Wg Cdr A C Hine GD PJHQ ex RAF Marham (now Gp Capt)
Wg Cdr R D Mason MBE GD RAF Odiham
Wg Cdr P W McAlpine GD Op HERRICK ex RAF Odiham
Wg Cdr S P Rochelle DFC GD MOD ex RAF Lossiemouth (now Gp Capt)

As Members
Wg Cdr R A Ellen GD DSAP
Sqn Ldr S J Abbott RAFVR(T) OC 1344 Sqn (ATC)
Sqn Ldr S A Berry Fly (P) ETPS Boscombe Down
Sqn Ldr A T Fell Eng PJHQ
Sqn Ldr L Gusterson Fly (P) ESUAS
Sqn Ldr A C Keeling Eng HC&SC
Sqn Ldr S C Leach Fly (P) RAF Benson
Sqn Ldr D T Morgan Fly (P) RAF Benson
Sqn Ldr A J White Eng RAF Brize Norton
Flt Lt M A Clark RAFR Fly (P) RAF Linton-on-Ouse
WO R M Byrne RAFP RAF Halton
WO D Elder Pers (Support) HQ Air
WO S J Farmer A Tech (Av) RAF Lossiemouth
WO M A Salter A Eng Tech RAF Coningsby
FS R T Bray WSOp (Crewman) RAF Odiham
Chf Tech N J Deavin A Tech (M) Ret’d ex – DE&S Wyton
Sgt P A Fawcett Pers (Support) Ret’d ex – DA Staff Muscat & Oman
Sgt J H Scholes PTI RCDM

QUEEN’S VOLUNTEER RESERVES MEDAL
WO A Bailey RAuxAF RAF Benson



ORDER NO 2 – MERITORIOUS SERVICE MEDAL
2. In conjunction with the New Year Honours List 2009, the under mentioned personnel have been awarded the Meritorious Service Medal and are authorised to wear the ribbon with effect from 1 Jan 09. Personnel listed below are to be informed of their award by their Commanding Officer by midday 30 Dec 2008.

Flt Lt S A Sussmes Pers (Support) RAF Wyton
WO E T Baker CISM RAF Scampton
WO R J Brewster A Eng Tech MOD Abbey Wood
WO P Coll Gnr RAF Waddington
WO D P Commander Pers (Support) RAF High Wycombe
WO G R Dick A Eng Tech RAF Northolt
WO W M Dixon Logs (Chef) RAF Coningsby
WO D Grantham Pers (Support) RAF High Wycombe
WO M D Hammett Pers (Support) RAF Brize Norton
WO C Hunter Gen Eng Tech RAF Leeming
WO J C Johnson A Eng Tech RAF Lossiemouth
WO W A Jones Gen Eng Tech RAF Cottesmore
WO S McLaren Gen Eng Tech RAF Leuchars
WO D Millar Pers (Support) RAF Waddington
WO R Mottram A Eng Tech RAF Leuchars
MACR N C Petch AFC Air Sig RAF Akrotiri
WO N R W Prior Eng Tech El RAF Brampton/Wyton/Henlow
WO A K Robins A Eng Tech MOD Abbey Wood
WO N E Robinson Logs (Mover) RAF Lyneham
WO G W Spark RAFP RAF Brampton/Wyton/Henlow
WO G S P Stanford Logs (Supplier) RAF Aldergrove
WO J V Tarran FOM RAF Shawbury
WO A M Vaughan ATC RAF Linton-on-Ouse
WO F Watson A Tech W RAF Honington
WO N J Young Logs (Driver) RAF Benson
FS E P Fearon Logs (Supplr) RAF Leeming
FS D P Green Gnr RAF Honnington
FS D P Kivlehan A Eng Tech RAF Aldergrove
FS K Oakley A Eng Tech RAF Benson
FS R Owen Logs (Supplr) RAF Wittering



ORDER NO 3 – CHIEF OF AIR STAFF COMMENDATIONS
3. In conjunction with the New Year Honours List 2009, the Chief of Air Staff has awarded his personal commendation to the under mentioned personnel for meritorious service. Personnel listed below are to be advised of their award by their Commanding Officer by midday on 30 Dec 2008.

Flt Lt T A Barlow Admin (Trg) RAF High Wycombe
Flt Lt J D McRea Fly (P) No 1 EFTS Cranwell
Flt Lt J M Pockett Fly (P) RAF Benson
WO R J McBey Logs (Supplier) TSW Stafford
FS A T Greenhalgh PTI RAFC Cranwell
Sgt M R Fraser Pers (Support) RAF Kinloss
SAC A J Nibloe Int An RAF Marham
SAC J R Panico Pers (Support) RAF Linton-on-Ouse
SAC J N Rowden A Tech (Av) RAF Benson



ORDER NO 4 - COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF AIR COMMAND COMMENDATIONS
4. In conjunction with the New Year Honours List 2009, CINCAIR has awarded his personal commendation to the under mentioned personnel for meritorious service. Personnel listed below are to be informed of their award by their Commanding Officer by midday on 30 Dec 2008.

CHIEF OF STAFF (OPERATIONS)
RAF Fylingdales
FS S D Jones AS Mngr Eval Flt
Mr J M Allen - Supply Mngr SERCO

ScATCC (Mil) Prestwick
FS T M Neild ATC RAF Prestwick

CHIEF OF STAFF (SUPPORT)
HQ Air
Flt Lt P Waters Eng A4 SO3 Eng MT

90 SU
FS P C Caswell CIS Ops Flt

RAF Wittering
Flt Lt K L Muldoon Eng No 5001 Sqn

NO 1 GROUP
RAF Coningsby
FS R J Wright Mess Mngr Officers’ Mess
Cpl A H Smalley A Tech (M) No 11 Sqn

RAF Leeming
Team Commendation No 135 EAW RIAT Colours DOB Team

RAF Leuchars

Mr A P Davies C2 Stn H&S Advisor

RAF Lossiemouth
Mrs D Brown E2 TDF

RAF Marham
Team Commendation DCRE Depth Implementation Team

FS M J Wilson Ptr & Fnr ASFF
Chf Tech S R Williams A Tech (M) No 13 Sqn
Sgt P A Moss Eng Tech W No 13 Sqn

RAF Odiham
Flt Lt C J Howard Pers (Support) OC Wks Serv Flt

NO 2 GROUP
RAF Brize Norton
Sgt H Prestwood Logs (Driver) ASMT Flt
Sgt I J Wakeham Logs (Mover) AMS
Mrs B Lobley E2 Fwd Logs Sqn

RAF Honington
Mr J K MacPherson E1 Logs Spt Flt

RAF Kinloss
MACR K S Young WS Op (EW) No 42 (R) Sqn
Cpl F J Boulter Logs (Mover) Mob Spt Flt

RAF Lyneham
Flt Lt C J Adamson Pers (Support) PSF

RAF Waddington
MACR S P Rolfe WS Op (EW) No 39 Sqn
Chf Tech G P Smith A Tech (Av) No 39 Sqn

HQ RAFP Henlow
Team Commendation RAFP Afghanistan National Police Mentoring Team

WO G P Owen RAFP WO Stds

NO 22 (TRG) GROUP
DCAE Cosford
Cpl J P Smith Eng Tech W DCAE
Mr P George Band D Av Trg Flt

HQ Air Cadets
Sqn Ldr J A Edgell RAFR C2 MSF HQ Air Cadets, NI Wg
Sqn Ldr J G Heath RAFVR(T) Sect Cdr Devon & Somerset
Sqn Ldr F Reis RAFVR(T) Wg MCO, Plymouth
Flt Lt B W Endean RAFVR(T) No 326 Sqn Air Trg Corps

RAF Cranwell
Flt Lt S J Lockyer Fly (P) No 45 (R) Sqn
WO P J Harper ATC ATC Sqn
FS G Smith Pers (Support) IoR
Miss R Vernon C2 CCO
Mrs M K Walker Band D OACTU

1 EFTS
Mrs A Duncan E2 UGSAS

RAF Halton
Sqn Ldr J R Brabner RAFVR(T) No 613 VGS

AOC DIRECTLY ADMINISTERED UNITS
HQ Air
Team Commendation Manning 31a Team
Occupational Psychology Team

Sgt M R Malpas Pers (Support) A1 Ops

RAF Brampton/Wyton/Henlow
Cpl D L Vickers RAF Medic SMC

RAF High Wycombe
Sqn Ldr E C Cameron RAAF Admin HQ Air A1 Pers Pol
Flt Lt J Madin Pers (Support) HQ Air Perf Mngmnt
Sgt R J Ashworth Logs (Supplier) CMT
Ms D Thomas C2 IHub

RAF Menwith Hill
Mr C P Clarke C1 Dep Base Eng



ORDER NO 5 – COMMENDATIONS AWARDED BY AIR OFFICERS COMMANDING
5. In conjunction with the New Year Honours List 2009, Air Officers Commanding have approved the award of their personal commendation to the following personnel for meritorious service. Personnel listed below are to be advised of their award by their Commanding Officer by midday on 30 Dec 08.

CHIEF OF STAFF (OPERATIONS)
Air Warfare Centre
Team Commendations Nimrod Defensive Systems Upgrade Team Boscombe Down

Chf Tech D N Campbell A Tech (Av) No 41 (R) Sqn
Chf Tech P S Day A Tech (Av) No 17 (R) Sqn
Sgt S Dryburgh A Tech (Av) No 17 (R ) Sqn
Mr P Wild - Works Engineer Babcock-Dyncorps

RAF Fylingdales
Miss R J Duck E1 Serv Funds Clk
Mr P A Evans - Civ SCIDA
Mr P Robinson - Civ SERCO

CHIEF OF STAFF (SUPPORT)
HQ Air
Team Commendation Multi Skilling & Development Implementation Team

Sgt J M Hill Logs (Supplier) A4 Arm & Supply

RAF Wittering
FS J A Suckley FOM Ops Wg
Sgt S J Swift Logs (Driver) No 2 MT Sqn
Cpl A R Harrison Logs (Supplier) No 1 (Exped Logs) Sqn
Cpl M R Pope Logs (Driver) No 2 MT Sqn
SAC S T Orr Logs (Supplier) No 1 (Exped Logs) Sqn
Mrs B Thorogood E1 Log Ops Flt

No 1 AMW RAF Lyneham
WO M A Jones Logs (Mover) Wg WO

No 90 SU
FS A J Fish CISM No 4 (FC) Sqn TCW
FS M J Hannam CISM FS Rebasing
FS G A Metcalf CISM No 5 (IS) Sqn TCW
Cpl D Ayre CIS Tech OEC Sqn
Cpl S J Shellam CIS IM No 4 (FC) Sqn TCW

NO 1 GROUP
RAF Aldergrove
Sgt R J McShane Stwd Officers’ Mess
Mr T Blair E2 Op Def Trg

RAF Benson
MACR N R Catton-Wretham WS Op (Crewman)No 33 Sqn
Cpl J B Thomson Pers (Support) PA Stn Cdr

RAF Coningsby
Team Commendation Critical Asset Management Cell
Test & Measuring Equipment Calibration Team

Chf Tech M C Nolan A Tech (Av) No 11 Sqn
Sgt S R Taylor A Tech (M) No 11 Sqn
Cpl J D Wooliscroft A Tech (Av) No 29 (R) Sqn
Mrs V Bye E2 PA OC BSW

RAF Cottesmore
WO F M Jones A Eng Tech HAS
Sgt M D Hodgson A Tech (Av) Depth Av Bay Wittering
Sgt D M Kerridge SE Fitt Surv Equip Sect Wittering
Sgt G R Timmins Eng Tech W No 4 Sqn
Cpl J E Kirk Logs (Supplier) Fwd Cust Spt Cell
SAC (T) M C Davey W Tech ESA
SAC (T) J A Drew W Tech Arm Eng Flt
SAC (T) J Lyon W Tech ESA
SAC O Paddock RAF Medic SMC
Mr P A Riley - Civ BAeS

RAF Leeming
FS P R G Dixon A Eng Tech Stn FOD Off
Cpl J S Foster Logs (Supplier) Logs Sqn
Cpl R M Lismore Logs (Supplier) Logs Sqn

RAF Leuchars
Team Commendation Station Air Cadet Liaison Team

FS A S Mumford A Eng Tech QCIT
Chf Tech G M Chadwick A Tech (M) Ac Rect Facility
Sgt P Andrews Logs (Supplier) Ac Maint Flt
Sgt G M Cumming A Tech (M) Ac Maint Flt
SAC(T) M C Edwards A Tech (M) AMF
Mr L Donnachie Carpenter Stn Wkshps
Mr W Stewart Electrician Spt Eng Flt

RAF Lossiemouth
Flt Lt (AvO2) S J Durban ATC ATC Sqn
FS W O’Hare A Eng Tech Depth Eng Flt
Chf Tech K S Jenkins Eng Tech P No 617 Sqn
Sgt S J Jacobs Chef Officers’ Mess
Sgt A J McKeating SE Fitt No 15 (R) Sqn
Sgt J E Rawlinson A Tech (Av) Central Line Trg Cell
Cpl D P O’Sullivan Gen Tech E GEF Trg Cell
Mr J Crombie SZ2 Officers’ Mess
Mr M P J Johnson E1 Ac & Comp Eng Sqn

RAF Marham
WO M J Bonner A Eng Tech No 31 Sqn
WO2 W Bowden RE TIIW
FS M A Guthrie Chef Catering HQ
Chf Tech C J Davies Eng Tech W Tornado Maint Spt Flt
Sgt P J Brinton A Tech (M) PSS Lossiemouth
Sgt R McLaughlin Chef Officers’ Mess
Sgt P J Taylor A Tech (M) No 13 Sqn
Cpl S Fisher Pers (Support) No 31 Sqn
Cpl D M Riley A Tech (M) Tornado Prop Sqn
SAC I M Bateson Int An TIIW
Mrs N S Everett E1 MT Flt

RAF Odiham
Team Commendation Painting & Finishing Section

NO 2 GROUP
RAF Brize Norton
Team Commendations Oxygen Spt Sect
Supply Chain Management Cell

FS C A Martland PTI PEd Flt
FS V G Wilson Logs (Mover) AMS
Sgt M G Gibbons Logs (Mover) AMS
Sgt D Smith Gen Tech GSE Eng Spt Bay 1
Cpl S E Crossman Gnr 501 Sqn RAuxAF
L/Cpl R Browne Ftr DCRE
Mrs M Bushnell - Civ HIVE Info Officer
Mr R J Marshall - Civ BAeS Rep

RAF Honington
Sgt S R Griffin Gnr Trg Wg
Mrs P R Lisseman Band D Accom Mngr
Miss J Ricot E2 Logs Spt Flt

RAF Kinloss
FS M W Utting WSOp (EW) No 42 (R) Sqn
Chf Tech O M Rigby A Tech (Av) Eng Records
Sgt S Bruce Logs (Supplier) Logs Spt Sqn
Sgt P Heath Logs (Supplier) Log Spt Sqn
Sgt R J Herrington WS Op (ACO) Combat Ops Sqn
Cpl J H Donnelly Logs (Supplier) Logs Spt Sqn
Miss A Furnivall E2 Trg Dev Flt

RAF Lyneham
MACR T G E Prall WS Op(Crewman)No 30 Sqn
Sgt J T Miller WS Op(Crewman)No 24 Sqn
Mrs L Putz E2 GD Flt

RAF Northolt
WO C Sharp Gnr QCS

RAF St Mawgan
Mrs L Cooper - Civ Fams Info Off
Mr R Waite - Civ Accts Flt
Mr L Watts Band D Fuels Supervisor

RAF Waddington
Team Commendation FP Trg Flt
Lancaster PD 259 Memorial Project Team

Chf Tech D N Parry A Tech (Av) No 51 Sqn
Sgt J W Furphy Gnr FP Trg Flt
Sgt W A Robertson FOM Stn Ops
Sgt M A Williams Air Sig No 51 Sqn
Cpl A J Tatham RAFP Sy Sqn

HQ RAFP Henlow
FS J R Phillips RAFP No 1 (Spec) Police Wg

NO 22 (TRG) GROUP
HQ 22 (Trg) Gp
FS D R Trembath Logs (Supplier) Trg Analysis Centre
Sgt A J Young CIS Tech Trg Analysis Centre

DCAE Cosford
Team Commendation Tri-Service Tech of the Year Project Team
FDTC Grantown-on-Spey

WO G R Forster PTI SoPT
FS C J Payne A Eng Tech Eng Dev Sqn
Sgt L H McDonough CIS IM No 1 Radio School
Sgt D L Swift PTI FDTC Crickhowell
Cpl K J Lee Pers (Support) PSF
Mr A Dobson Band D DCAE Cranwell

DCEME – HMS Sultan
Team Commendation Op WAVERIDER Project Team

CPOET R O’Brien Eng Tech RNSME

DCCIS Blandford
Sgt S Errington CIS Tech JTDT
Cpl K J Stannard CIS Tech No 1 Radio School
Mr P Cowdell Intr Off No 1 Radio School

HQ AIR CADETS
Wg Cdr Ret’d J H Knowles - Civ NE Wg Welfare Cttee
Cannon E G Knowles Sqn Padre 1017 (Malvern) Sqn
WO (ATC) T Farrimond Sqn WO 1509 (Blaydon) Sqn
WO (ATC) B M Simmons Wg WO Bristol & Glos Wg
Mr D W Paddock Civ Instr 1031 (Yeovil) Sqn
Mr V J Reynolds Civ Instr 238 (Hartshill) Sqn

RAF Cranwell
Team Commendation TAFMIS-J SME Team
TAFMIS-J Implementation Team

Sgt A J Gillett PTI AFCO Stoke on Trent
Sgt A E Lott Logs (Supplier) AFCO Birmingham
Sgt V Neilson ATC ATC
Cpl S McKenzie Pers (Support) AFCO Chatham
Cpl S P Butler Logs (Driver) RAF Bobsleigh Eqpt Mngr
Cpl N F Southey Dental Admin AFCO Plymouth
Mrs T J Wheable E1 AFCO Gloucester

RAF Halton
WO M A Edwards PTI JMLC
Cpl A G Cryer AS Op RTS
Cpl J R Scowcroft CIS Tech IT Servs Sect
L/Cpl C Y Wong MPGS Stn Guard Force
SAC L E Hooke Pers (Support) PSF

RAF Linton-on-Ouse
WO D Lee ATC ATC Sqn
Miss C M Wainwright E1 Trg Dev Flt

MOD St Athan
Mrs A M little - Civ Com Spt Volunteer

DHFS Shawbury
Mr S T Farmer Civ QHI FB Heliservices

RAF Valley
Team Commendation Operations Flight

AOC DIRECTLY ADMINISTERED UNITS
HQ AIR
Mrs G R Alder E1 PA/ACOS A1
Miss A Church E1 Manning
Ms A McCooke E1 PA/DPTS

RAF Brampton/Wyton/Henlow
Mrs S Smith E1 HQ Flt

RAF High Wycombe
Team Commendation Stn Regt Flt

Mr E J Delaney Band D RAF Transformation Team

JARIC
Team Commendation Electrical Mechanical Section

JSU Northwood
Sgt W S Swiggs CIS Tech NATO CIS

[Mach2.04]

Gallantry awards

Anyone know when the New Year's List of Gallantry medals is being announced?

[Wrathmonk]

I don't think the operational honours and awards follow the same New Year / Queens Birthday schedule. The list that covered ops between 31 Oct 07 and 31 Mar 08 was released on 25 Jul 08. The previous one for the period 1 Apr 07 to 30 Sep 07 was released on 7 Mar 08. On that basis the one covering the period 1 Apr 08 to 30 Sep 08 (i.e the latest) may not be released for another 2-3 months.

Still time to get your call to the CO's office!

[air pig]

Lets hope that in the Operational Honours that there are awards for the MERT and IRT teams in the 'Stan and Iraq and the Critical Care Air Support Teams (CCAST).

I know this year, CCAST were awarded the 'Team of the Year' for there role in returning critically ill and injured to the UK, but recognition of those involved would be nice.

Air Pig.

[threeputt]

Is "Peachy" the first RAF Navigator to be raised to the peerage?

3P

Happy New Year etc

[cobaltfrog]

Not quite sure how cycling your bike gets you a Knighthood but there we go!!

Anyone got the expanded list for the RN which covers the 'off the list' awards like Firsts Comm etc?

Ta!

[foldingwings]

Is "Peachy" the first RAF Navigator to be raised to the peerage?

Nope!

AVM CW Ness (see CB listing above) father, AM Sir Charles Ness, was a RAF Navigator.

Thought you'd have known that 3 Putt given you are as old as me.

By the way, got some new clubs and putter for Xmas, when is our next challenge!

Foldy

[minigundiplomat]

Is "Peachy" the first RAF Navigator to be raised to the peerage?

Now if he can just find his way along the Mall to Buck House...........

[Union Jack]

Is "Peachy" the first RAF Navigator to be raised to the peerage?

Don't know about the peerage, but so far as knighthoods are concerned, here's my starter for ten for someone whom qualified as a Navigator who was awarded two:

Air Marshal Sir John Curtiss KCB 1981 (CB 1979); KBE 1982; FRAeS

Served War: Oxford Univ. Air Sqdn, 1942–43; Bomber Comd, 578 and 158 sqdns, 1944–45; Transport Comd, 51 and 59 sqdn, 1945–49; Training Comd, 1950–53; Fighter Comd, 29 and 5 sqdns, 1953–64; Dir, RAF Staff Coll., 1967–69; Stn Comdr RAF Bruggen, RAFG, 1970–72; Gp Capt. Ops, HQ Strike Comd, 1972–74; SASO, HQ 11 Gp, 1974–75; Dir-Gen. Organisation, RAF, 1975–77; Comdt, RAF Staff Coll., 1977–80; Air Comdr, Falklands Operations, 1982; AOC No 18 Gp, 1980–83, retd. Dir and Chief Exec., SBAC, 1984–89; Sec., Defence Inds Council, 1985–89. Mem. Exec. Cttee, Air League, 1982–93; President: Aircrew Assoc., 1987–93; Berlin Airlift Assoc., 1998–; RAF Oxford and Cambridge Soc., 1998–2005, now Pres. Emeritus; Milford-on-Sea Br., RBL, 2002–. Chm., Pathfinders Disaster Relief, 1995–2000; Chief Exec., Assoc. of Pathfinders, 1996–2000.

Looks like he earned both of them, the KBE being for the Falklands I suspect .......

Jack

PS Glad to see a sailor in Order No 5!

[Not Long Here]

Is "Peachy" the first RAF Navigator to be raised to the peerage?

And there is also AM Sir Barry Duxbury, AOC 18 Gp at one point and the father of Gillian !

[airborne_artist]

NLH - I'm sorry to say that Sir Barry now navigates up on high. He was my neighbour until 1999, and died very quickly probably in 2002 or 2003.

[threeputt]

Folding Wings-Sir Charlie Ness, Barry Duxbury etc

B******s, drat and double drat I should have remembered that, I am definitely getting old!

At least I knew who Stradling was though.

Golf is on but, only when it is much, much warmer!

Good luck to Helen on Monday at Crannwell.

3P

[jindabyne]

Three putt & foldy,

Look, you both well remember that the navigator brain is, by definition, somewhat less gifted than the norm. So the both of you can be excused for a tad loss of recall. And as for that Bigger Jugs joke!!

[Mick Strigg]

RN MBEs

What is it with our Admirals? Why do they ignore all the Lt Cdrs doing sterling work in preference, awarding SRs? The RAF recognise the Sqn Ldrs and the Army the Majors, yet the Lt Cdrs get ignored; PC gone mad again!

[Union Jack]

Mick

What is it with our Admirals?

Don't blame them, at least not on this occasion. It was indeed PC gone mad when, in 1993, the UK Government stopped awarding the BEM to sailors up to CPO, and awarded the MBE in lieu, as previously awarded to officers up to and including Lt Cdr, and Warrant Officers, but with a modest increase in the overall quota of MBEs.

Remember also that the RN has always had a different philosophy for the award of honours to officers, preferring at most levels to make them as "end of service" awards to officers and men who will not be further promoted. The RAF, on the other hand, has tended to prefer to award honours on a "stepping stone" basis. As examples, look no further than the current list at the top of this thread, with the RAF awarding CBEs to three officers all of whom already hold the OBE, and both Air Officers awarded knighthoods already holding awards in the Order of the British Empire.

Conversely, look at the RN list in the London Gazette for 31 December, and you will find that no one up to the rank of Rear Admiral has received any prior award, and that only the Vice Admiral receiving the KCB has a prior award, namely an OBE in the Order of the British Empire - and, noting that he is a submariner, that was probably awarded for a "sneaky" operation in command of an SSN, for which a gallantry award could not be made, rather than "LS&GC".

I am most certainly not saying that one system is better than another, just that they are different - very different!

Curiously enough, the RN half yearly promotion boards used to sit after the Queen's Birthday and New Year Honours Lists had been finalised by the PM's Office, and it was not unknown for someone who was expected to be "passed over" for promotion to receive an honour, only to "fool" a promotion board shortly thereafter and be selected for promotion .....

Jack

[FayeDeck]

Could be worse you RN guys...........you could be in the AAC

[Beatriz Fontana]

Well, there we are. No one from UXB. Maybe next year, chaps!

[Logistics Loader]

cant believe a 32 yr old bike rider gets a "Sir"
ex RAF type

60+ yrs in showbiz looked over again

Arise Sir Brucie !! i say...

at least a few Movers got in on the act this year !!

PS..

i got my cycling profiency in 1973... i'm 13yrs older than Hoy, do i get a Knighthood for riding longer and staying alive in todays congested traffic ???

guess not...!!