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PVR Question
Good day all
I have a question or a few for that matter. I recently applied to the RN for a service transfer to the RAF, having already been accepted into the RAF. The RN have come back to me and refused this transfer and am forcing my hand to PVR. My question is I applied in October for the service transfer and have been placed on an RAF conversion in Oct 2009, I have only just been informed I must PVR, will this be backdated so I can still make this date, do I have to do the 12 month return? Also what implications finantially will this have in the service I have remaining, financially and to my pension, even though I am going to the RAF on the same level of pay, flying pay and pension transfer?
Finally will I now be entitled to all resetlement benefits including terminal leave etc as I am now technically leaving the service?
The navy have shown no loyalty to me so I intend now to show no loyalty to them in my final months of service and wish to get out and to the RAF asap, with as much leave as possible.
I have a question or a few for that matter. I recently applied to the RN for a service transfer to the RAF, having already been accepted into the RAF. The RN have come back to me and refused this transfer and am forcing my hand to PVR. My question is I applied in October for the service transfer and have been placed on an RAF conversion in Oct 2009, I have only just been informed I must PVR, will this be backdated so I can still make this date, do I have to do the 12 month return? Also what implications finantially will this have in the service I have remaining, financially and to my pension, even though I am going to the RAF on the same level of pay, flying pay and pension transfer?
Finally will I now be entitled to all resetlement benefits including terminal leave etc as I am now technically leaving the service?
The navy have shown no loyalty to me so I intend now to show no loyalty to them in my final months of service and wish to get out and to the RAF asap, with as much leave as possible.
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I recommend you contact the White Ensign association and the Forces Pension Society who will be able to give you an accurate idea of the pension implications and potentially what you can ask the RAF to do to mitigate.
As you ahve a legitimate reason to PVR, with a firm offer of employment with another service the RN should be sympathetic. By the time you factor terminal leave and resettlement time you won't be far off the mark.
As you ahve a legitimate reason to PVR, with a firm offer of employment with another service the RN should be sympathetic. By the time you factor terminal leave and resettlement time you won't be far off the mark.
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You are not the first and will not be the last I'm sure. Your best bet is to speak to one of the many RN & AAC chaps and chapesses that have trodden this path before you as they will have undoubtedly faced and dealt with similar issues themselves. In fact I'm also pretty sure this has been covered on a thread or two in the past so might be worth a search.
I would also advise caution relying too much on pprune derived answers for specific questions regarding financial / career implications. Speak to the manning people in both services as they are the experts. Much will depend on what career structure you are on, how much time you have served etc etc. Also you need to check / be aware of what career structure the RAF are going to offer you. I seem to recall a number of AAC people grumbling on here that they had not checked the small print of the RAF offer and were being held in longer than they anticipated.
If the RAF wants you they may be able to adjust dates to suit your RN exit date but dont expect the RN to let you go early - they will probably stick to the 12 months from date of your PVR.
Regarding resettlement benefits etc. if you PVR you will be entitled to some of them - again depends on length of time served. You may even be able to start some of your RAF training whilst on RN terminal leave?!?!? although not sure where you would stand regarding insurance etc whilst on 'leave'. Speak to your unit resettlement guru - thats what he's there for!
Finally I would suggest that you dont air your dirty linen in public. Obviously dont know your personal circumstances and you may be in a grump with the RN cos they wont let you do what you want now but be careful of burning too many bridges and upsetting people before you have to. Otherwise if the RN are going to lose you but have 12 months to play first stand by for plenty of SLJs. You have of course anyway opened yourself up for plenty of abuse from the die hard fish heads roaming this site!
Let me know via PM if you need any more specific info.
SW
I would also advise caution relying too much on pprune derived answers for specific questions regarding financial / career implications. Speak to the manning people in both services as they are the experts. Much will depend on what career structure you are on, how much time you have served etc etc. Also you need to check / be aware of what career structure the RAF are going to offer you. I seem to recall a number of AAC people grumbling on here that they had not checked the small print of the RAF offer and were being held in longer than they anticipated.
If the RAF wants you they may be able to adjust dates to suit your RN exit date but dont expect the RN to let you go early - they will probably stick to the 12 months from date of your PVR.
Regarding resettlement benefits etc. if you PVR you will be entitled to some of them - again depends on length of time served. You may even be able to start some of your RAF training whilst on RN terminal leave?!?!? although not sure where you would stand regarding insurance etc whilst on 'leave'. Speak to your unit resettlement guru - thats what he's there for!
Finally I would suggest that you dont air your dirty linen in public. Obviously dont know your personal circumstances and you may be in a grump with the RN cos they wont let you do what you want now but be careful of burning too many bridges and upsetting people before you have to. Otherwise if the RN are going to lose you but have 12 months to play first stand by for plenty of SLJs. You have of course anyway opened yourself up for plenty of abuse from the die hard fish heads roaming this site!
Let me know via PM if you need any more specific info.
SW
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The 'rules' are far from concrete and much of the detail is hammered out by desk officers. Nevertheless, I believe the following to still be true (but best you check with your desk).
Now that you are in the JPA era, you are centrally employed by Defence. To that end a service transfer is essentially a change of assignent (with bells on...). You do not therefore need to PVR, although the Navy might ask you to fill in the PVR paperwork as it is the easiest admin path. Nevertheless the final result should be that you leave the Navy on a Sunday and join the RAF on the Monday with no interuption to your service (and no terminal leave)!
The RAF usually only give you a joining date once 'negotiations' with the Navy / Army have been completed and a mutually agreable date sorted. This is to maintain a degree of gentlemanly like conduct and avoid accusations of poaching. I would confirm that this is still the case for you.
Finally the Navy may well wish to keep you for up to 12 months. Although you could fight this, the RAF are unlikely to give you an earlier date (see above).
Hope that helps.
Now that you are in the JPA era, you are centrally employed by Defence. To that end a service transfer is essentially a change of assignent (with bells on...). You do not therefore need to PVR, although the Navy might ask you to fill in the PVR paperwork as it is the easiest admin path. Nevertheless the final result should be that you leave the Navy on a Sunday and join the RAF on the Monday with no interuption to your service (and no terminal leave)!
The RAF usually only give you a joining date once 'negotiations' with the Navy / Army have been completed and a mutually agreable date sorted. This is to maintain a degree of gentlemanly like conduct and avoid accusations of poaching. I would confirm that this is still the case for you.
Finally the Navy may well wish to keep you for up to 12 months. Although you could fight this, the RAF are unlikely to give you an earlier date (see above).
Hope that helps.
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RN to RAF
I have made the journey myself so can provide a few tips. I need to know a few more details though.
What job are you leaving in the RN and what post have you been offered in the RAF.
What rate are you in the RN and is this substansive?
Providing you have done 20 years and 6 months in the RN you are entitled to resettlement.
When I made the leap the point that wasn't fully understood(by me!)was that I would lose all my seniority as a senior rate / Sgt. I joined the bottom of the pile, after training and requalification on type I was in the RAF system for 14 months before I recieved my first ACR ("write up"). In order to make the promotion board (at the first shout...virtually unheard of)I required 5 ACR's that would mean I was in the RAF for over 6 years before being "concidered" for promotion.Having been a Senior Rate for almost 5 years before leaving the RN I felt that was "too big" a pill to swallow and therefore decided to leave the RAF.
The lesson to learn as one of the previous posts alluded too, is "read the small print" and ask ALL the questions before making a decision.
What job are you leaving in the RN and what post have you been offered in the RAF.
What rate are you in the RN and is this substansive?
Providing you have done 20 years and 6 months in the RN you are entitled to resettlement.
When I made the leap the point that wasn't fully understood(by me!)was that I would lose all my seniority as a senior rate / Sgt. I joined the bottom of the pile, after training and requalification on type I was in the RAF system for 14 months before I recieved my first ACR ("write up"). In order to make the promotion board (at the first shout...virtually unheard of)I required 5 ACR's that would mean I was in the RAF for over 6 years before being "concidered" for promotion.Having been a Senior Rate for almost 5 years before leaving the RN I felt that was "too big" a pill to swallow and therefore decided to leave the RAF.
The lesson to learn as one of the previous posts alluded too, is "read the small print" and ask ALL the questions before making a decision.
