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Red Arrows on TV

Old 14th Nov 2008, 08:49
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I hope the brief 'golfing' clip didn't upset Gainesy too much. Personally I thought it was a surprisingly well made item, compared to what I was expecting.

For those who have not seen the link, there is a 30 min Youtube of the dusk display at Quebec here and I think it is outstanding. I'm proud of the lads and ladettes. Well done all.
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Old 14th Nov 2008, 08:49
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I thought they came across really well, congrats Jas on a job well done.

Looking forward to a documentary on the Hercules Fleet, now that would be fun...
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Old 14th Nov 2008, 08:50
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Can't be in the RAF and knock this kind of thing can you?
Unless you are being forced to drive around Afghanistan in an inadequate Snatch vehicle because we spent money on an aerobatic display team instead?
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Old 14th Nov 2008, 09:24
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Great show. I wonder when we'll get
the first lady arrow??? Nice moment
when the female T'birds flyer took off
her helmet and her blonde hair tumbled
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Old 14th Nov 2008, 10:20
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flyer took off
her helmet and her blonde hair tumbled
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That's 'cos she's worth it. Shame her hair wasn't a bit longer though for better effect. Saw her interviewed at the RIAT preview day last year - an all American gal.

The prog was a much better ad for the RAF than that godawful TV ad campaign they're running at the moment - something along the lines of 'join the RAF and learn how to put up a tent'. The Army ads are much better - 'join the Army and big it up with your mates in Cyprus'. No contest.
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Old 14th Nov 2008, 10:45
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T'was tongue in cheek BOAC, as I'm sure your banter was.

A lot of folk in UK have seen them so often that they are blase about the display. I've seen them perform overseas several times and the effect they have have on foreign audiences is nothing short of electric.

Unfortunately did not see the prog as I wa out, doubtless it'll be repeated.
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Old 14th Nov 2008, 10:46
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I agree the Reds are an excellent advert for the RAF unlike those new God awful adverts.
Whoever thought that two failed actors from Hollyoaks would be a good advert for the RAF need their heads testing. You would never see the Americans using actors from Falcon Crest to promote their Armed Forces.


ps. I would just like to point out that for the record I have never watched Hollyoaks.

p.p.s The same goes for Falcon crest.
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Old 14th Nov 2008, 11:08
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Unless you are being forced to drive around Afghanistan in an inadequate Snatch vehicle because we spent money on an aerobatic display team instead?
Have you any figures on this huge amount of money that the MoD spends on the Red Arrows? Isn't much of the cost of running the RAFAT met by sponsorship?

Of course the troops in Afghanistan and Iraq might not have to spend so much time in Snatch Land Rovers if LAND spent a bit more of their budget supporting JHC rather than the various ceremonial units of the British Army.

See how that works? Turn any 'fact' to your way of thinking and you can make an argument for/against.

Perhaps rather than doing the usual 'bitch about the Red Arrows sucking up the budget' thing you can ask why this government can't provide for both considering its all to happy to chuck money at a sinkhole called the NHS, nationalising failed banks, propping up the idle with an all too generous state welfare system and generally spending it on anything but the military that deep down they detest so much.
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Old 14th Nov 2008, 11:23
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T'was tongue in cheek BOAC, as I'm sure your banter was
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Old 14th Nov 2008, 13:13
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Also repeated on Sunday 16 Nov 08 - CH5 at 23:35 UTC
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Old 14th Nov 2008, 13:33
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Reds Arrows aren't sponsored per se by industry although overseas tours generally will be. Few years ago I saw the cost of tv ads placed by the Army during Corry Farm and the Red Arrows compared reasonably well.
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Old 14th Nov 2008, 17:37
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I think the Red Arrows are brilliant, the best in the world at what they do, a fantastic advert for the RAF and far better pilots than I will ever be.

I would still trade them tommorow for better equipment, conditions and pay in our operational commitments.

The Government allocates our Defence budget but the dispersal of that budget is largely done by people in uniform. Anything that doesn't contribute to our operational effectiveness has no place while we are so heavily commited. I believe that things like aerobatic display teams and bands that do not deploy should be 'suspended'.

I know that I am in a minority of one here. However, start a thread on 'overstretch' or reasons for PVR and you will quicky get 30 posts in support, but dare to suggest that we disband the Reds and collapse their manpower and money into the front line! Burn that man...
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Old 14th Nov 2008, 18:00
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Max Contingency, I disagree. The Red Arrows are great ambassadors for the RAF, the military and the UK...they are also a fantastic recruitment tool. They cost very little considering the great publicity and inspiration that they do...despite the operational issues that you talk about the RAF would be worse off without the team. It is all about striking a balance and the big picture.

The telly programme was well edited and will be well received by all - Well done to Jas and his team.
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Old 14th Nov 2008, 21:12
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Well said. Minority of two...

Love watching them, can't justify them. I can't justify any of the other ceremonial rubbish either of any colour.

Just of interest, the commentator suggested that you had to have done one 'combat tour' to be in the reds.

Not sure that's true now is it?
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Old 14th Nov 2008, 22:35
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Well I watched it too and it was pretty good , does somewhere in you feel mighty fine to be British and a wee bit proud.
One of the red pilots looked in awe at the F16s and F18s , you think the government could at least give 9 Typhoons, paint them red and give the North Americans a much louder show next year.

Now that would indeed sure test what the british pilots could do. You could save money too as Typhoon as far as im aware does not need groundcrew as it does not go U/S
 
Old 14th Nov 2008, 22:59
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Reds

Love the Reds - Well Done all for a very good prog.
Once had the honour of being on a four ship Wessex Task from Aldergrove down to the border in bandit country while the Reds were on Aldergrove's DA2 dispersal preparing for their Ards Airshow debute. Body-armour, IRJs, MAWS, HK53's and GPMGs - Wessex bristling with grunts intent on the defence of the realm - Air Traffic could not answer the radio for laughing when the call came over the RT. "Marrows Check - 2, 3, Marrow 4, Tower - Green Marrows 4 ship for south-westerley low departure."
I dare say the Chinook Guys in Afghanistan would take the p**s in the same way but they still respect the role the Reds play in the greater scheme of things. I still think the BBC documentary of the Chinook Guys in Afghanistan takes a lot of beating for showing what real teamwork and professionalism is in the RAF. Take care out there on ops guys ... KBC
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Old 15th Nov 2008, 00:02
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Worth the cost

Very good programme and excellent to see that the high standards set by the Arrows can be admired by fellow teams.

As for Max Contingency - not only are you narrow sighted, you are very poorly informed. Try having a look at the Defence Estimate for the last year.

You are right in one of your comments:

The Government allocates our Defence budget but the dispersal of that budget is largely done by people in uniform.
This is an extract fromt the latest estimate:

The net outturn for Total Resources is £36,286,316,000 against an Estimate of £38,041,570,000; an underspend of £1,755,254,000. The variance against the Supply Estimate results from an underspend of £1,093,592,000 against Resource DEL; an underspend of £661,662,000 in Annually Managed Expenditure (AME).

Request for Resources (RfR) 1, Provision of Defence Capability, provides for expenditure primarily to meet the MoD’s operational support and logistics services costs and the costs of providing the equipment capability required by Defence policy. Any Appropriations in Aid in excess of the Estimate
are shown at Note 5, and these will be surrendered to the Consolidated Fund.
The net outturn for RfR1 is £33,076,149,000 against an Estimate of£34,629,760,000 an underspend of £1,553,611,000. The main reason for the underspend is depreciation charges and provisions, included
in the Spring Supplementary Estimate, that did not materialise.

RfR2, Operations and Peace-Keeping, shows a net outturn of £2,196,037,000 against an Estimate of £2,381,803,000; an underspend of £185,766,000. The underspend principally relates to an over-stated request for indirect DEL in the Spring Supplementary Estimate which has not materialised at the year end. Further detail is provided in the RfR2 analysis at Note 2 to the accounts.

RfR3, War Pensions Benefits shows a net outturn of £1,014,130,000 against an Estimate of £1,030,007,000; an underspend of £15,877,000. This RfR provides for the payment of war disablement and war widows’ pensions in accordance with relevant legislation; this is all AME. The costs of administering war pensions are borne by RfR1.
A total underspend of £1,755,254,000 !! So stuff the miniscule cost of maintaining an excellent ambassidor for the RAF and the country, look wider and ask how many 'snatch' landrovers could be replaced with the £1.75bn that we have just handed back to the Treasury from the Defence budget.
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Old 15th Nov 2008, 19:57
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I still think the BBC documentary of the Chinook Guys in Afghanistan takes a lot of beating for showing what real teamwork and professionalism is in the RAF
This indeed was excellent. It was a crying shame it was publicised more or shown earlier in the evening - deserved to have a wider audience.
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Old 15th Nov 2008, 20:10
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Must admit,

I enjoyed watching the "Reds" for 3yrs whilst i was in AKT.. my last year i got a back seat in the Spare frame with Boss of Cranwell...

Whilst a great experience doing a fast jet ride...it was beaten by

Low level in Puma, left hand seat... and jump seat in Chinook at low level...

but for me, it was 5hrs MRR then low level across the Falklands in a Herc....
how low ?? Bristows s61 was above us !!

Safe flights guys..!!
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Old 15th Nov 2008, 23:11
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An icon!

Sorry but The Reds are an institution...I saw them as a young fellah in 1976 with my ol man at the Farnborough Air Show (possibly Gnats then?!) and to this day, even as an Ozzy git, they are the benchmark in military aviation and team flying and long may they exist!

Posted before but worth throwing it again....the boys on my doorstep here in Abu Dhabi.

YouTube - Red Arrows Abu Dhabi 2007
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