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Old 25th Nov 2009, 16:39
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Seattlepi.com has a video of the A400M doing its "full four" engine runs, and also mentions that, according to Flightblogger, the "word on the street" is that first flight could be on Monday 25/11 ...

AND ...
The sound on the video even at minimum volume goes straight to the sternum ...
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This is the video. I thought it might have been this week too or by next Monday, but the A400M still needs to do high-speed taxi trials and an aborted take-off first, apparantely.

YouTube - A400 Essais Moteurs
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Hmm - nice gnd power receptacle location. Anyone keen to disconnect that with 4 running?

I hope the APU exhaust collecting rain isnt a problem.
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Hmm - nice gnd power receptacle location
Hmm - suggest you get your eyes tested

JP: Do you mean Mon 30th?
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Hola, TT!

Good to see that your aircraft is about to launch - hope all is well with you!

Still managing to track down a vindaloo outlet or two?
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Old 25th Nov 2009, 21:17
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Direction of Rotation?

Probably a v/silly question from an ex Herc member of SODC(not AT) fraternity but are not the engines supposed to turn in the same direction? Video shows 1&3 going anticlock and 2&4 clockwise??
Mind you, even after 30 odd years on Albert I still can't remember which way those went but I think they were all the same direction.
But then I didn't have a window seat.

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Old 25th Nov 2009, 21:26
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No, the A400M propeller rotation directions are as you observed - they do not all rotate in the same direction.

I understand that this has positive benefits regarding acoustic fatigue effects on the airframe and confers significant aerodynamic advantages.

Another advanced Airbus design feature!
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Old 26th Nov 2009, 01:59
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Tested on the P-38 back in the 1940-41 era.
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Old 26th Nov 2009, 06:36
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Tested on the P-38 back in the 1940-41 era
Not strictly true as the P-38 props rotated outwards giving it two critical engines and making engine failures on take off a very brief and messy affair. They rotated outwards to provide stability for the nose cannons - engine criticality wasn't a consideration, obviously!

The A400M props rotate towards each other, as BEags says, to reduce interference vibration and noise and to reduce the yawing thrust effects of assymetric flight.
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Old 26th Nov 2009, 09:48
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So this is a case of in, out, in out, shake it all about?
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Propeller rotation

I believe the correct terminology is "down between engines," or DBE
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Old 26th Nov 2009, 10:06
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That's the term I've also heard, TT.

Doubtless when StopStart becomes an A400M Staneval examiner, one of his Cat questions will be to explain the advantages of 'down between' rather than 'up between'?
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... and there's a Vulcan-esque brief 'howl' during the engine start cycle too!
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I half remember asking this before but can’t remember what the answer was: doesn’t DBE rotation reinforce the formation of tip vortices on the mainplanes? Doesn’t that have a drag penalty?
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Reuters - Price rise may be only option To Save A400

In todays Reuters ( Link Here );

Basically, article states that price per unit may need to rise, and for deliveries in any given period to be reduced from current targets. Suggestions of a possible 25% unit cost increase. It would also appear that Germany and not the UK are the sticking point with any potential contract changes.

Article raises further interesting information. Well worth a peruse.

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Old 26th Nov 2009, 10:36
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"They do not rotate in the same direction"
But does this mean that in the event of an engine change down route there is a possibility of getting the wrong one sent out?
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... and there's a Vulcan-esque brief 'howl' during the engine start cycle too!
Is that from the taxpayers?
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But does this mean that in the event of an engine change down route there is a possibility of getting the wrong one sent out?
Possibility? I'm sure with very little work the MoD Logisticians will be able to reduce that possibility to a certainty....

PS. Same engines, different gearboxes. Not sure if you can do an engine change "down route" and swap gearboxes across or if the engine would need to ship out with the correct gearbox on...

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Old 26th Nov 2009, 11:08
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But does this mean that in the event of an engine change down route there is a possibility of getting the wrong one sent out?
A distinct certainty, Arters, as Stoppers has rightly stated.

After ensuring that 'right hand side, co-pilot's windscreen' had been requested through the supply system, guess what turned up..... Still, a couple more days of CHING!! in the USA whilst the Eng and Supply folks back in the UK sent the correct one wasn't unwelcome.

Getting the wrong windscreen wasn't anything like the surprise a V-bomber crew chief once had when he opened the boxed up PFCU motor he'd been waiting to be delivered to Offutt - only to find it actually contained a Bedford 4-tonner crankshaft..

Of course being a high quality Airbus product, the likelihood of engine or prop failure is somewhat remote.... But I'd put money on someone sending the wrong prop one day in the future!
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The MoD loggies will get it exactly correct, so long as the engine unit with the CW gearbox has a different NATO Stock Number to the one with the ACW gearbox (as it should) and those “down the line” demand the correct one.
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