Heir Force One
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"yet all the Queen can think about is grabbing more of our hard earned cash."
the royals recive the civil list in return for the considerably higher income from the Crown
Estates going to the treasury
If someone is of the opinion that we should have an elected head of state as a point of principle, thats an argument i can respect, if not agree with,
Cost however is a pathetic argument for binning the royals Presidnts still cost money to move around and protect, in some cases A LOT more!
the royals recive the civil list in return for the considerably higher income from the Crown
Estates going to the treasury
If someone is of the opinion that we should have an elected head of state as a point of principle, thats an argument i can respect, if not agree with,
Cost however is a pathetic argument for binning the royals Presidnts still cost money to move around and protect, in some cases A LOT more!
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I seem to remember that Katie Price (aka Jordan) was also going to get her own private jet. Perhaps they could pool their combined resources and buy one together. Now there is a sight HRH emerging from a bright pink Hawker 800 with peter Andre carrying the crown jewels !!!!. Or maybe Katie emerging from same pink plane withThe D of E helping her with her crown jewels
I seem to remember that Katie Price (aka Jordan) was also going to get her own private jet. Perhaps they could pool their combined resources and buy one together. Now there is a sight HRH emerging from a bright pink Hawker 800 with peter Andre carrying the crown jewels !!!!. Or maybe Katie emerging from same pink plane withThe D of E helping her with her crown jewels
Or Jordan holding William's Crown Jewels.
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The Old Fat One & spheroid,
Do I understand correctly that when you swore a solemn oath of allegience to HM The Queen and her Heirs and Successors YOU WERE COMMITING PERJURY?
I trust that every penny of "remuneration" that you were given for your "Service" was donated to charity - obviously no-one of your persuasions would wish to accept even a single penny from a Head of State that you so obviously despise.
Do I understand correctly that when you swore a solemn oath of allegience to HM The Queen and her Heirs and Successors YOU WERE COMMITING PERJURY?
I trust that every penny of "remuneration" that you were given for your "Service" was donated to charity - obviously no-one of your persuasions would wish to accept even a single penny from a Head of State that you so obviously despise.
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Dear Fat One,
I quote you from the only thread that you have started on PPrune:
"I left age 47 and took a bite out the pension with resettlement commutation. Although a few years off, I am currently calaculating how much more wonga I need to hoard before I set sail for the land of free Tapas".
I think that statement shows the measure of you. I hope that you still maintain the ambition to emigrate and indeed I encourage you to achieve it without delay. However, you should be aware that the land of free tapas which you are so drawn to is also a monarchy. Please don't let that stop you though. Adios.
I quote you from the only thread that you have started on PPrune:
"I left age 47 and took a bite out the pension with resettlement commutation. Although a few years off, I am currently calaculating how much more wonga I need to hoard before I set sail for the land of free Tapas".
I think that statement shows the measure of you. I hope that you still maintain the ambition to emigrate and indeed I encourage you to achieve it without delay. However, you should be aware that the land of free tapas which you are so drawn to is also a monarchy. Please don't let that stop you though. Adios.
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Hear Hear...Me 2
Britain still retains a political culture centred on "Her Majesty's Government" - not ours, but hers, a powerful reminder in days gone by of where our place was in the system. The idea of royal "ownership" continues to pervade this culture and to reinforce the idea that the system is not our own.
Despite the extravagant costs of monarchy, and the increasingly erratic behaviour of the royals, our arguments are concerned with democracy, the principle that this is our country and we should choose our heads of state.
We should have the right to elect and hold to account all who hold public office and such people must remember that they are there to serve us, and not vice versa. It is time to claim the right to our own country and to choose our Head of State.
Britain still retains a political culture centred on "Her Majesty's Government" - not ours, but hers, a powerful reminder in days gone by of where our place was in the system. The idea of royal "ownership" continues to pervade this culture and to reinforce the idea that the system is not our own.
Despite the extravagant costs of monarchy, and the increasingly erratic behaviour of the royals, our arguments are concerned with democracy, the principle that this is our country and we should choose our heads of state.
We should have the right to elect and hold to account all who hold public office and such people must remember that they are there to serve us, and not vice versa. It is time to claim the right to our own country and to choose our Head of State.
Is it "increasingly erratic" or is it just more widely reported?
It's not as if any of them have started frothing at the mouth and eating raw pigeons, a couple of the younger ones dare to go out and drink, the only reason it's made into a big deal is because people know their names.
It's not as if any of them have started frothing at the mouth and eating raw pigeons, a couple of the younger ones dare to go out and drink, the only reason it's made into a big deal is because people know their names.
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...and such people must remember that they are there to serve us, and not vice versa.
So, aside from the debunked reqasons concerning cost, public well-being/concern for the public and the erratic behaviour argument that doesn't stand the royals in any worse state that the politicos (rents boys and oranges in the mouth anyone?), what do you have against the monarchy?
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You don't get much for £7 mil in the executive market unless she wants a puddle jumper or something to fly from Balmoral to Heathrow.
Something with good range like a Bombardier Global Express is around the £40 mil mark and would be more suited to her needs.
I feel someone has underestimated the cost a tad.
Something with good range like a Bombardier Global Express is around the £40 mil mark and would be more suited to her needs.
I feel someone has underestimated the cost a tad.
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I may know FA about military matters, but I do know that a new, equipped Global goes for about US$50m. Still a fair bit more than 7mGBP, but also a lot less than 40mGBP. Granted, that price will climb with the addition of things like bowls for the corgis and lumpy bits to keep HM safe from the bad fellas.
For $13-14m she could get into a Lear 45 or 60 or a Citation X (not new though), but all are smaller than the article mentions. In fact neither Lear nor Cessna make a 13-seater unless you count the crew and go for the economy seating.
The Hawker Horizon would be nice, but that's outside the price range. Not sure exactly what they are going for, but I think it's $22m+. A Gulfstream would be nice too, but $14m goes pretty deep into the used market.
I wonder what sort of price incentives will come along for the manufacturers vying for a Royal Warrant though...?
For $13-14m she could get into a Lear 45 or 60 or a Citation X (not new though), but all are smaller than the article mentions. In fact neither Lear nor Cessna make a 13-seater unless you count the crew and go for the economy seating.
The Hawker Horizon would be nice, but that's outside the price range. Not sure exactly what they are going for, but I think it's $22m+. A Gulfstream would be nice too, but $14m goes pretty deep into the used market.
I wonder what sort of price incentives will come along for the manufacturers vying for a Royal Warrant though...?
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ATTN: Old Fat One
Please do not mention my name alongside Republicanism, I am a Royalist through and through as befits 'Arthur's Little Helper'
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bet there's some jets going cheap in the US these days
spheroid - which other European royal family pulls in the tourist coin the Windsors do, pray tell?
spheroid - which other European royal family pulls in the tourist coin the Windsors do, pray tell?
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If it doesn't eat hay and fart, she wouldn't be interested.
...unless it's for the interior decoration only of course!
As Prince Phillip once told a VC10 captain "If it doesn't eat hay and fart, she wouldn't be interested."
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It's a sad business. Unless I've missed something, I was under the impression that all of the RAF's aircraft were in fact Her Majesty's. It's quite absurd that she should be considering buying one out of her own pocket. I agree that it's a good move under the circumstances - hopefully it'll stop all the media whining every time she wants to hop on a plane, but what the hell is wrong with this country? Why does the Head of State have to finance her own transport? I'm sure the papers will be able to relax when Her Maj starts turning-up in her own little runabout but really, shouldn't she be stepping out of something a little more substantial, with the words "Royal Air Force" emblazoned across it? Or have we lost every bit of self respect and national pride? Or maybe the media would rather 32 Squadron had some sponsors adverts across their aircraft's fuselages, or multi lingual titles in order to embrace our muiltcultural society. I think I'm going to be sick...