GURKHA COURAGE and LOYALTY ABUSED YET AGAIN!
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Ive just blatted off a grumpogram to Francis Maude, via 'theyworkforyou' in the hope that he will attend the debate today. Im not sure how much the debate will achieve apart from showing the countrys disgust, because this bunch of posstots wont take the slightest notice, they never do unless there is a looming election! Loom loom!
This whole thing is
disgraceful!
By the way I like the idea of the LFA!
BG
This whole thing is
disgraceful! By the way I like the idea of the LFA!
BG
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The contempt of the Government amazes me, especially bearing in mind the potential length of conflict we can expect to endure in the sandpit(s); the impact being mainly on pre-1997 recruits is not lost on me.
Makes you wonder why we dont have more people voting for a democratic government rather than the Brown Martial Law!
Makes you wonder why we dont have more people voting for a democratic government rather than the Brown Martial Law!
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HMG did NOT deport in 1945 the Poles and others who had fought with British Forces in World War 2. They were allowed to remain, if they so wished, in the Country for which they had fought.
Didn't HMG force the repatriation of the so called white russians at the end of WW2 who were then butchered by the russian goverment.
I'm sure most of them would have remained in the UK, given a choice.
HMG did NOT deport in 1945 the Poles and others who had fought with British Forces in World War 2. They were allowed to remain, if they so wished, in the Country for which they had fought.
Didn't HMG force the repatriation of the so called white russians at the end of WW2 who were then butchered by the russian goverment.
I'm sure most of them would have remained in the UK, given a choice.
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Thanks, Capewrath,
Now over 190,000. What about a No 10 petition?
All for it if it will help (sceptical about anything that happens in Downing St., it has to be said)
I have emailed the organisers of the Gurkha Justice campaign and asked if there is any special reason why we could not have a No.10 petition in parallel with their petition.
I'll post their response when I receive it.
Thanks, Capewrath,
Now over 190,000. What about a No 10 petition?
All for it if it will help (sceptical about anything that happens in Downing St., it has to be said)
I have emailed the organisers of the Gurkha Justice campaign and asked if there is any special reason why we could not have a No.10 petition in parallel with their petition.
I'll post their response when I receive it.
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Why should we expect the Government to treat the Gurkha's any better or the same as they treat any other ex-soldiers, namely with cynical indifference and ingratitude, just read the appalling statistics of homelessness, alcohol addiction, lack of psychological counselling, that bear witness to the true and continuing sacrifice made by these brave men and women on behalf of Gordon Brown and his cronies; it's national disgrace.
Get it sorted Gordon. At least it will be something good that you have done before you have to hand the keys back to number 10 next year.
Get it sorted Gordon. At least it will be something good that you have done before you have to hand the keys back to number 10 next year.
Just to play devil's advocate and NOT my personal feelings, but as they are not British or Commonwealth citizens and they fight in an army not their own for money, doesn't that, in fact, make them mercenaries? Therefore, no rights as such?
I know little of the legalities regarding this (only through the media and they will only tell what makes a good story regardless of the facts) and if it were up to me I would let them all in. I have worked with some of the Gurkhas when in the Falklands and a finer, nicer bunch of blokes you couldn't want to meet.
I'm sure there will be some rule or regulation that gets round this, but if that were the case, surely it would also confer the rights being fought for.
I would be very interested to read any replies that can "wise me up" in this area.
I know little of the legalities regarding this (only through the media and they will only tell what makes a good story regardless of the facts) and if it were up to me I would let them all in. I have worked with some of the Gurkhas when in the Falklands and a finer, nicer bunch of blokes you couldn't want to meet.
I'm sure there will be some rule or regulation that gets round this, but if that were the case, surely it would also confer the rights being fought for.
I would be very interested to read any replies that can "wise me up" in this area.
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I have just listened PM's question time and Brown was out of touch in my view to the way the Gurkhas are perceived by the people of this country. They are trying to save money and his assessment of £1.4b to have them here made a Nick Clegg and many others angry.
If that is the figure to allow 10,000 to live here wtf does it cost for the 100,000 that illegally enter this country EVERY QUARTER???? Stop that lot and we can integrate the Gurkhas wherever they want!
In answer to the comment above about them being 'mercenaries.' They certainly are not.
They were formed nearly 200 years ago to be a new army regiment under the control of the British Army. That, has never changed.
This might also help GB to understand what he clearly does not. 13 Victoria Cross awards have been won by them and 6,500 seperate awards for bravery is testament to these soldiers.
The Gurkhas have been part of the British Army for nearly 200 years. During that time, they have fought in every major theatre of war, from the first Afghan war through to Bosnia, the Falklands and more recently Iraq. They have received in all 6,500 decorations for bravery, including 13 Victoria Cross awards. The Gurkha of today retains all the characteristics of his forefathers. He is brave, tough, patient, adaptable, intensely proud and has unswerving loyalty.
To spit in their faces is disgusting. Their treatment by this government is despicable.
Do you think they know that? No way!!!!!!
If that is the figure to allow 10,000 to live here wtf does it cost for the 100,000 that illegally enter this country EVERY QUARTER???? Stop that lot and we can integrate the Gurkhas wherever they want!
In answer to the comment above about them being 'mercenaries.' They certainly are not.
They were formed nearly 200 years ago to be a new army regiment under the control of the British Army. That, has never changed.
This might also help GB to understand what he clearly does not. 13 Victoria Cross awards have been won by them and 6,500 seperate awards for bravery is testament to these soldiers.
Gurkhas are well known throughout the world for their professionalism, dedication, discipline, loyalty, integrity and courage in the face of danger. The majority have served on average 20 years with the British Army, stationed worldwide. They adapt to any culture, environment or society where they are called upon to serve.
When the British East India Company tried to expand their trade routes into Nepal and beyond, they encountered the Gurkha’s. They got their name from the Gurkha district of Nepal. These hill men fought the British Army over a number of years, and their respect for each other grew. The British were so impressed by their fighting skills that it was suggested that the Gurkha hill men should be recruited into the Army to form new Battalions made up entirely from their numbers. In March 1816, a treaty was signed signalling a cessation to hostilities. In April of the same year, authorisation to form the first Battalion of Gurkha recruits took place.The Gurkhas have been part of the British Army for nearly 200 years. During that time, they have fought in every major theatre of war, from the first Afghan war through to Bosnia, the Falklands and more recently Iraq. They have received in all 6,500 decorations for bravery, including 13 Victoria Cross awards. The Gurkha of today retains all the characteristics of his forefathers. He is brave, tough, patient, adaptable, intensely proud and has unswerving loyalty.
To spit in their faces is disgusting. Their treatment by this government is despicable.
Do you think they know that? No way!!!!!!
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Having watched the debate it seemed to me that a lot of Labour Backbenchers were uncomfortable - a view confirmed by the result, which was:-
Having watched the debate it seemed to me that a lot of Labour Backbenchers were uncomfortable - a view confirmed by the result, which was:-
DEFEAT FOR THE GOVERNMENT
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Indeed - seems Gordon has lost control of his party. Whither the end of his Premiership?
BBC NEWS | Politics | Brown defeated over Gurkha rules
BBC NEWS | Politics | Brown defeated over Gurkha rules
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I was 'out of range' at the time the vote was made and now see that that GB and Smith must have swallowed hard when the result was announced.
But, beware of those who would review this in a somewhat different way.
Still, let us hope by now they realise just how much we do respect these Gurhkas and their absolute loyalty to this country. let alone all their other admirable attributes the majority of the younger population would do well to emulate.
Congrats to Joanna Lumley too. A right formidable lady.
But, beware of those who would review this in a somewhat different way.
Still, let us hope by now they realise just how much we do respect these Gurhkas and their absolute loyalty to this country. let alone all their other admirable attributes the majority of the younger population would do well to emulate.
Congrats to Joanna Lumley too. A right formidable lady.
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Delighted ! Are there any other ex Britannia fleet people out there still in possesion of a crossed Khukuri pin badge presented to " Brit Det " crews on completion of the Hong Kong - Kathmandu shuttles mid `70s ? i still have mine, early `74 . Out of the UK for many years, appalled at how the " old country " is going down the tube rapidly. Vote Brown out as soon as possible. But will the next lot be any better? 
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I must confess that I am a trifle confused regarding your post. On whose side were these "White Russians" fighting? I must assume that, as they were deported, they were fighting for the Nazis against the United Nations Forces which included the Soviet Union.
I recall that when, in 1993, I did a VIP task to Estonia; the Gentleman from the Interior Ministry who looked after us had spent 10 years in a Soviet Jail because the Germans had controlled Estonia when he was 18 in 1942 and he was conscripted into the German Army. His younger brother fought in the Soviet Army because when he was 18 the Russians controlled Estonia.
I tried "Google" for further information with no success.
I must confess that I am a trifle confused regarding your post. On whose side were these "White Russians" fighting? I must assume that, as they were deported, they were fighting for the Nazis against the United Nations Forces which included the Soviet Union.
I recall that when, in 1993, I did a VIP task to Estonia; the Gentleman from the Interior Ministry who looked after us had spent 10 years in a Soviet Jail because the Germans had controlled Estonia when he was 18 in 1942 and he was conscripted into the German Army. His younger brother fought in the Soviet Army because when he was 18 the Russians controlled Estonia.
I tried "Google" for further information with no success.
An absolutely fantastic result that utterly kicked the government in the teeth. A few more whippings like that and they'll leave office the shameful fraudsters that they are.
It's not often nowadays you can feel proud to be British. But today must rank one of them.
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It's not often nowadays you can feel proud to be British. But today must rank one of them.
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A good result all round. Well done to those MP's that voted against the Government. As an aside, has anybody noticed that the starter of this thread has spelled Gurkha wrong?
GURHKA COURAGE and LOYALTY ABUSED YET AGAIN!
And I thought Royal Flight Captains prided themselves on their accuracy.
GURHKA COURAGE and LOYALTY ABUSED YET AGAIN!
And I thought Royal Flight Captains prided themselves on their accuracy.
I feel utterly ashamed at this so called Governments tratment of the Gurhkas.
All I would like to say has allready been voiced .
I recollect my Father who served in India in The 1930's speaking in absolute glowing terms of how the Gurhkas were an example of Tenacity and Courage in every action they undertook.
There pride in their traditions and proud to serve along side the British.
I feel I must also repeat a few of the sentiments so far, to vent my feelings of how I feel.
I find it outragous that a Cost of 1.4 Billion quoted,to accomodate all Gurhkas, was deemed too expensive!!!!!! While at the same time the so called Honourable members are Lining their pockets on the gravy train of Allowances/Expenses, and goodness knows what else .
At the same time handing out wads of money to any Tom,Dick or Harry
who makes it to these Shores who only know a few phrases of English.
EG: I claim asylum/Where's the nearest Benefit Office/ I know my Rights,etc. etc.
( I do not wish to denegrate all "Visitors!! "as I fully accept that there are genuine cases of people who warrent Asylum)
I am just so angry at the Government Culture which has evolved to satisfy minorities every whim, but will play on the Goodwill and Nature of a group like the Gurhkas who are at a disadvantage to fight their case .
I only hope and pray the Gurhkas win through on this one, goodness knows they deserve it.
All I would like to say has allready been voiced .
I recollect my Father who served in India in The 1930's speaking in absolute glowing terms of how the Gurhkas were an example of Tenacity and Courage in every action they undertook.
There pride in their traditions and proud to serve along side the British.
I feel I must also repeat a few of the sentiments so far, to vent my feelings of how I feel.
I find it outragous that a Cost of 1.4 Billion quoted,to accomodate all Gurhkas, was deemed too expensive!!!!!! While at the same time the so called Honourable members are Lining their pockets on the gravy train of Allowances/Expenses, and goodness knows what else .
At the same time handing out wads of money to any Tom,Dick or Harry
who makes it to these Shores who only know a few phrases of English.
EG: I claim asylum/Where's the nearest Benefit Office/ I know my Rights,etc. etc.
( I do not wish to denegrate all "Visitors!! "as I fully accept that there are genuine cases of people who warrent Asylum)
I am just so angry at the Government Culture which has evolved to satisfy minorities every whim, but will play on the Goodwill and Nature of a group like the Gurhkas who are at a disadvantage to fight their case .
I only hope and pray the Gurhkas win through on this one, goodness knows they deserve it.
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I heard that woolyarse had to make a very sheepish public appearance....not quite contrite, but humbled.
Whatever the legal issues,we've abused the loyalty of these people and taken advantage of their impoverished country to exploit them.
Again, playing devil's advocate, paying the same rates as UK domiciled retirees, to Nepal retirees (where ,i think ,the cost of living is about 10% of the UK's) is likely to be divisive and upset the social and economic balance of that country......-for the small cost (in relative terms) those who want to live in this overcrowded, septic isle,should be allowed.......it's already been stated that they have shown true alleigance to the Crown and are not mere Mercenaries.
Their claim is far, far more deserving than the "marriage of convenience" and other entrants with dubious claims.
The rest of the world has always looked up to Great Britain in the past. it will only renew that respect if we are seen to be treating our loyalest allies fairly.
Perish the thought that our government should prejudice that loyalty,or even incur their wrath
OTOH, maybe a "Khukri" lesson in a swarthy gentleman's kitchen might concentrate their minds.
Kudos to the Labour MP's who put morals above politics. They are to be applauded.
Whatever the legal issues,we've abused the loyalty of these people and taken advantage of their impoverished country to exploit them.
Again, playing devil's advocate, paying the same rates as UK domiciled retirees, to Nepal retirees (where ,i think ,the cost of living is about 10% of the UK's) is likely to be divisive and upset the social and economic balance of that country......-for the small cost (in relative terms) those who want to live in this overcrowded, septic isle,should be allowed.......it's already been stated that they have shown true alleigance to the Crown and are not mere Mercenaries.
Their claim is far, far more deserving than the "marriage of convenience" and other entrants with dubious claims.
The rest of the world has always looked up to Great Britain in the past. it will only renew that respect if we are seen to be treating our loyalest allies fairly.
Perish the thought that our government should prejudice that loyalty,or even incur their wrath
OTOH, maybe a "Khukri" lesson in a swarthy gentleman's kitchen might concentrate their minds.
Kudos to the Labour MP's who put morals above politics. They are to be applauded.