Final work-up to Typhoon FGR.4
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30 eh? Where have the other 70 gone off to?
And I doubt the Saudis will offer to buy them for the same price that the MoD were going to get them at.
Saudi Arabia stresses that the unit price of £61.5 million (€77.7 million) is the same price that the RAF is paying.
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Well the answer to the last post is most likely yes probably?? but who know's....
Aside from that, I recall recently David Cameron stating that He would can Tranche 3 if the Connies ever get back into power (Groan...)
So thats another bunch of Brainless morons who are most likely to try and get rid of the most capable Tranche, and leave us with the most basic (and eventually most Sh**ed) airframes...
Something for everyone to ponder perhaps???
Not that DC or GB would care anyway....
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Aside from that, I recall recently David Cameron stating that He would can Tranche 3 if the Connies ever get back into power (Groan...)
So thats another bunch of Brainless morons who are most likely to try and get rid of the most capable Tranche, and leave us with the most basic (and eventually most Sh**ed) airframes...
Something for everyone to ponder perhaps???
Not that DC or GB would care anyway....
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But don't you know it's a Cold War relic that has no place in the 21st Century? It's not even stealthy for goodness sake! <Insert YOUR tired cliche about Typhoon HERE!>
"I recall recently David Cameron stating that He would can Tranche 3 if the Connies ever get back into power..."
Source?
I'd be surprised for several reasons - one is that it would be a commitment to a specific policy, which Dave normally avoids like the f*cking plague! Two would be that its lunacy, and the Tories.....
ah, ok......
Source?
I'd be surprised for several reasons - one is that it would be a commitment to a specific policy, which Dave normally avoids like the f*cking plague! Two would be that its lunacy, and the Tories.....
ah, ok......
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TIFFYFGR4 ,
Sorry mate but what the hell are you talking about? You strike me as a geek that lives on line and reads Military Aircraft magazines for a living. Do you have any idea about weapon loadouts? When an aircraft is involved in the CAS role its not going to check in with me saying he has 6 EPW's and 6 A to A missiles.Bloody hell mate get your facts right.
Sorry mate but what the hell are you talking about? You strike me as a geek that lives on line and reads Military Aircraft magazines for a living. Do you have any idea about weapon loadouts? When an aircraft is involved in the CAS role its not going to check in with me saying he has 6 EPW's and 6 A to A missiles.Bloody hell mate get your facts right.
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recce_FAC, "Mate", in case you didn't notice, those are not my words, I didn't make them up myself. Don't have a go at me in that way just because I posted something that maybe wrong!!! If you think my posts are wrong, then the least you could do is correct me on them in an polite manner! And no I don't "live on line and read Military Aircraft magazines for a living", I have a "Life". I'm just here to have a friendly conversation with others about something we/I'm are interested in! Jesus! Never seen so many people that are so anal & moan alot.
Sorry for butting in & going off-topic, people.
Sorry for butting in & going off-topic, people.
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TiffyFGR4 I think you'll find that an ex Servant of Her Majesty and her subjects seems to have a massive chip on his/her shoulder re same subjects taking an active interest in current RAF aircraft and ops, possibly because he/she is out the loop, ignore 
He/she doesn't realise that a fair proportion of your Joe Public out there _DO_ take a keen interest in our RAF, it's aircraft, it's serving Officers, its Airmen, and their trials and tribulations, we're all Brits after all, aren't we.
But then again, maybe he/she shouldn't post either because -
"A forum for the professionals who fly the non-civilian hardware, and the backroom boys and girls without whom nothing would leave the ground. Army, Navy and Airforces of the World, all equally welcome here."
No mention of "ex-aircrew" there, is there.
But anyway, Typhoon, it looks the part, and from what I've seen with my own eyes, does the part.
He/she doesn't realise that a fair proportion of your Joe Public out there _DO_ take a keen interest in our RAF, it's aircraft, it's serving Officers, its Airmen, and their trials and tribulations, we're all Brits after all, aren't we.
But then again, maybe he/she shouldn't post either because -
"A forum for the professionals who fly the non-civilian hardware, and the backroom boys and girls without whom nothing would leave the ground. Army, Navy and Airforces of the World, all equally welcome here."
No mention of "ex-aircrew" there, is there.
But anyway, Typhoon, it looks the part, and from what I've seen with my own eyes, does the part.
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I keep reading about the lack of stealthiness of the Typhoon. As far as I recall even the design specification of the Dave stated that stealth was only required for the opening days of a conflict, that's why they have the ability to bolt pylons on to the wings to allow a greater payload.
All it comes down to is a limited number of genuine stealth aircraft to open the conflict then swamp the enemy under regular aircraft and tonnes of munitions.
All it comes down to is a limited number of genuine stealth aircraft to open the conflict then swamp the enemy under regular aircraft and tonnes of munitions.
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Typhoon, the cold war relic
I'm afraid I have to agree with our well informed politicians that the Typhoon is indeed a cold war relic, and as such is of no use on the modern battlefield. After all none of our partners would use cold war era aircraft. For example when was the last time you saw a modern thinking and tactically aware air force using cold war relics such as: A10. F15, F16, F18, B1A, B52, AH64, CH53, CH47, C130 etc
Now stop whining folks and admit that our political leaders know best, Stop asking for these high tech and brand new jets, and stick to your 30 year old Tornado's......Oh hang on, aren't they cold war too?
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Now stop whining folks and admit that our political leaders know best, Stop asking for these high tech and brand new jets, and stick to your 30 year old Tornado's......Oh hang on, aren't they cold war too?
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IIRC the source for the David Cameron cannning T3 was one of the daily comics, you know the ones that always get everyone sooo right....
He stated (from memory) that they would undertake a Defence review if they got into power.....Thinks,
Oh god!! not another defence review...
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He stated (from memory) that they would undertake a Defence review if they got into power.....Thinks,
Oh god!! not another defence review...V1
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Well from a FAC/JTAC point of view the Typhoon is bloody great. Lots of controls per mission and the turning circle of a mini. GR -4's are ok with a good CAS squadron driving them but they take forever to turn .I know this is all from the low level side of things.Push them up to med level and you cannot really tell the difference.The only snag may be if you get an ex F-3 guy flying it,however they are getting better and better all the time. They do sound a little like a Stuka when they ''tip in''.
He stated (from memory) that they would undertake a Defence review if they got into power.....Thinks, Oh god!! not another defence review...
A signed letter I have from him (safely locked away) states:
10 Jul 2006
Dear (BEagle)
Thank you for your further e-mails about the Chinook accident.
You ask whether I would take early action to reinstate the reputations of the pilots if I form the next Government.
As I mentioned in my previous letter to you, I do believe that the reputations of the two pilots deserve to be reinstated, as the Lords Select Committee recommended, and in the absence of any overwhelming argument presented to me as Prime Minister, that is what I would do.
Yours sincerely,
(DC)
Dear (BEagle)
Thank you for your further e-mails about the Chinook accident.
You ask whether I would take early action to reinstate the reputations of the pilots if I form the next Government.
As I mentioned in my previous letter to you, I do believe that the reputations of the two pilots deserve to be reinstated, as the Lords Select Committee recommended, and in the absence of any overwhelming argument presented to me as Prime Minister, that is what I would do.
Yours sincerely,
(DC)
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Typhoon is a great aircraft, ask any pilot that operates them for a living & take his/her word for it, I bet it'd be nothing but positive words. Tell him/her it's a "Cold War Relic" & a "Fraud" & they'll give you the biggest lecture on how wrong you really are. Just because it was designed in the 80's doesn't mean it's not any good or a "Cold War Relic".
Like it or not, it's here to stay for a long time.
As for David Cameron, well....That's a guy that rides a bicycle on a pre-planned route with a bullet proof Jaguar XJ behind him so he can get into the back of when the cameras are not there......Hmmmmm the word 'pillock' springs to mind.
Like it or not, it's here to stay for a long time.
As for David Cameron, well....That's a guy that rides a bicycle on a pre-planned route with a bullet proof Jaguar XJ behind him so he can get into the back of when the cameras are not there......Hmmmmm the word 'pillock' springs to mind.
I don't think Cameron has said he'll bin Tranche 3, but the Lib Dems did in a policy paper they put out last year - which nobody seemed to notice, and, if they did, they forgot about it soon afterwards...
Apparently, when in power after the next election (yes, yes, I know...) the LibDems will bin Tranche 3 and the money saved will be spent on SLA for soldiers. The Army means' would-be LibDem councillor posted this in an apparent bid to earn plaudits from the users on that site, but when one of the first replies asked 'er.... what about the penalty clauses?' the response - remarkably was 'er.... there are penalty clauses?' and things seem to have gone a bit quiet after that. I think that the change-over from Ming Campbell to Nick Clegg might have led to the idea being given a quiet ignoring for the moment.
Apparently, when in power after the next election (yes, yes, I know...) the LibDems will bin Tranche 3 and the money saved will be spent on SLA for soldiers. The Army means' would-be LibDem councillor posted this in an apparent bid to earn plaudits from the users on that site, but when one of the first replies asked 'er.... what about the penalty clauses?' the response - remarkably was 'er.... there are penalty clauses?' and things seem to have gone a bit quiet after that. I think that the change-over from Ming Campbell to Nick Clegg might have led to the idea being given a quiet ignoring for the moment.
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What can it actually do now? When I was involved FOC slipped 4 years in the 21/2 I was in post. When BAe told us putting an ILS in would improve the FOC date, it seemed a good excuse to disappear to the airlines.Is it FOC air-to-air and air-to-mud, does EOC still exist BVRAAM etc or is that all pie in the sky?S
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Agreed, the forum and the RAF are shadows of their former selves. And so am I!
Enough of this rubbish about "relics of the cold war". If enough of you could spare some time from whingeing about conditions of service, get your noses out of your tankards (or is it wine-glasses these days?), and your fingers out of.... you might realise that the cold war is getting colder again. So start polishing up the "relics".
Enough of this rubbish about "relics of the cold war". If enough of you could spare some time from whingeing about conditions of service, get your noses out of your tankards (or is it wine-glasses these days?), and your fingers out of.... you might realise that the cold war is getting colder again. So start polishing up the "relics".
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