New Leave Policy
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60 years ago, in the merchant navy, my old man got Sundays at Sea as either an extra days leave or an extra days pay. That was when Saturday working was the norm.
How many Sundays do you work OOA and how much leave do you get on return!
Yes, you are paid 7 days but will they pay for your leave on a 5 day week basis (good) or 7 days (bad).
The civil service is paid salary for a limited hour, 5-day week, and like the military a weeks leave - Fri-Sun is 5 days. If you are paid in lieu of leave though you only gt 1/365ths of your annual salary.
Don't know how civil firms handle it.
How many Sundays do you work OOA and how much leave do you get on return!
Yes, you are paid 7 days but will they pay for your leave on a 5 day week basis (good) or 7 days (bad).
The civil service is paid salary for a limited hour, 5-day week, and like the military a weeks leave - Fri-Sun is 5 days. If you are paid in lieu of leave though you only gt 1/365ths of your annual salary.
Don't know how civil firms handle it.
Interestingly, I wonder if a court case would mean that claims could be back dated? Thinking about how many days leave I've lost over the past 5 or 6 years, that could add up to a pretty penny across the service...
But then, do we think of the greater good, and decline such re-imbursement in order to keep the body-armour etc flowing in the door?
But then, do we think of the greater good, and decline such re-imbursement in order to keep the body-armour etc flowing in the door?
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The civil service is paid salary for a limited hour, 5-day week, and like the military a weeks leave - Fri-Sun is 5 days. If you are paid in lieu of leave though you only gt 1/365ths of your annual salary.
Don't know how civil firms handle it.
My last two civilian employers (1994 to the present) calculated using 1/260ths.
Don't know how civil firms handle it.
My last two civilian employers (1994 to the present) calculated using 1/260ths.
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Interestingly, I wonder if a court case would mean that claims could be back dated? Thinking about how many days leave I've lost over the past 5 or 6 years, that could add up to a pretty penny across the service...
I could be in for a few bob.
The French air force had their leave increased to 12 weeks leave per year as a result of not wishing to abide by the maximum working week directive.
I notice a lot of the crap bureaucracy makes it to our shores but not the good bits!
I notice a lot of the crap bureaucracy makes it to our shores but not the good bits!
12 weeks - bloody hell! How much cheese and wine can they get through with 12 weeks leave?
I wouldn't know what to do with myself for 12 weeks. Actually yes I would - I'd be in work. I can't use my current leave entitlement up and have to beg to get more than a couple of days off in a row, so getting 12 weeks would be a complete non starter.
Anyway, it would be nice if they finally relented and allowed us to sell some of our unused leave back to them if we couldn't take it all for operational reasons. Has someone finally seen the light???
I wouldn't know what to do with myself for 12 weeks. Actually yes I would - I'd be in work. I can't use my current leave entitlement up and have to beg to get more than a couple of days off in a row, so getting 12 weeks would be a complete non starter.
Anyway, it would be nice if they finally relented and allowed us to sell some of our unused leave back to them if we couldn't take it all for operational reasons. Has someone finally seen the light???
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More chance of hell freezing over. Or of Gordon Brown winning the next election. Or of Westland building a decent aircraft. Or of us buying the best kit for the job, regardless of uk jobs.
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Well just found out today that leave and travel time has all been changed, only if you put in 5 days or more leave you are entitled to 1 day back if you travel a certain distance,and if you put in 10 days or more and travel a distance further then you get 2 days back. So if you travel to home from far away in uk for 4 days then you dont get travel time back , kind of defeats travel time ? And they have removed travelling to airports and claiming days back if you go on holiday.
Fair play dont argue with that, but slowly and surely all the good is getting removed and small things like this will only accelerate people leaving. They just dont listen
Fair play dont argue with that, but slowly and surely all the good is getting removed and small things like this will only accelerate people leaving. They just dont listen
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I'm currently on "leave" or to be more presice AWOL
I put in leave for a period prior to a prospective OOA, then the OOA moved so I put in a cancellation. Problem is, the cancellation hasn't yet found it's way on to JPA.
So when I now am on leave, I can't put in leave because I'm already on leave (the 2 periods overlap)
So I'm now at home on gash time off, but when I go back to work, I'll be on leave!!
Isn't JPA wonderful!??!?
I put in leave for a period prior to a prospective OOA, then the OOA moved so I put in a cancellation. Problem is, the cancellation hasn't yet found it's way on to JPA.
So when I now am on leave, I can't put in leave because I'm already on leave (the 2 periods overlap)
So I'm now at home on gash time off, but when I go back to work, I'll be on leave!!
Isn't JPA wonderful!??!?
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Uncle, you want some of my leave chap? I have tried to use it, but it seems I cant. Tell you what, Ill put you down on leave on my account, ill go in to work and you can enjoy my time off for me?
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On MR2s, you can be programmed for a full week Monday to Friday, do Ops Standby Saturday & Sunday, work Monday to Friday again and then be di**ed to stand in for another crew the following weekend.
Another goody is doing Ops Standby Saturday & Sunday and going on leave on the Monday. I thought that leave began at midnight...........?
Another goody is doing Ops Standby Saturday & Sunday and going on leave on the Monday. I thought that leave began at midnight...........?
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This came up a couple of years ago when stn cdrs had for many years routinely allowed half a days travel time for each grant.
Some jobsworth decided that this was fraud and said it had to stop.
Had same jobsworth bothered to research the issue - years ago officers had 42 days leave and airmen 30. This equated to 6 weeks and 4 week. At the same time most civilians got just 2 weeks. Giving airmen 6 weeks was A GOOD THING. Capping leave at 6 weeks when the civilian world now has 4-6 weeks is a BAD THING.
Now this was raised with the AFPRB a few years ago, in the 70s IIRC. They said that they were only concerned with pay comparability. Issues such as leave as for the military to handle.
The problem with giving 41000 people an extra weeks leave is that you automatically lose 788 people.
Put another way, if half of you lose one weeks leave then the Air Force gains almost 400 people.
never knowingly lost a days leave
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It would also appear you can't claim Public Holidays worked when you are OOA. Recently returned and did work Christmas Day, Boxing Day, New Years Day, Good Friday and Easter Day and told you get a standard number of days for each week OOA irrespective of the number of PHs during the period!
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One of the most invidious policies around when I was leaving in 2003 was that 'leave carry forward' was limited to 14 days - anything more was 'at Stn Cdr's discretion'.... Which was rarely granted.
So, overstretched folk who hadn't been able to take their leave due to 'operational tempo' simply lost it - because the Stn Cdrs would be 'looked upon unfavourably' if they started approving carry forward of the real amount of lost leave.
I think it's the Canadians who allow you to carry forward all lost leave to your exit date - which can lead to quite a figure when a senior officer carries forward all the leave he lost as a JO! And is now paid as a senior officer....
Personally I always thought that any refused leave passes for any particular year should be returned to the applicant. At the end of the year, any lost leave could either be carried forward in perpetuity (so if you lost a week in 2003 and another week in 2004, you could carry forward 2 weeks to 2005 as you wished), or paid for by a day's pay per day lost. Because if you weren't able to take leave, you were obviously doing someone else's job as well as your own and should therefore be paid for it.
So, overstretched folk who hadn't been able to take their leave due to 'operational tempo' simply lost it - because the Stn Cdrs would be 'looked upon unfavourably' if they started approving carry forward of the real amount of lost leave.
I think it's the Canadians who allow you to carry forward all lost leave to your exit date - which can lead to quite a figure when a senior officer carries forward all the leave he lost as a JO! And is now paid as a senior officer....
Personally I always thought that any refused leave passes for any particular year should be returned to the applicant. At the end of the year, any lost leave could either be carried forward in perpetuity (so if you lost a week in 2003 and another week in 2004, you could carry forward 2 weeks to 2005 as you wished), or paid for by a day's pay per day lost. Because if you weren't able to take leave, you were obviously doing someone else's job as well as your own and should therefore be paid for it.
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I traditionally put a leave pass in on the day before (locally booked) leave started, but got a hint that a right royal shafting was just around the corner. Therefore put several sets of leave in via JPA knowing too well that they would require cancelling. You cannot cancel via JPA which is a pain. However come 'carry across' time next year, I should have a water tight case for keeping all lost leave as my 'intent' is beyond question. 
Travelling time?? WTF is that? Have I been missing something all these years?
Travelling time?? WTF is that? Have I been missing something all these years?
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Travelling Time
Details in JSP 760
TRAVELLING TIME
2.005 Travelling Time is designed primarily to ensure that Service personnel do not spend an inordinate amount of their leave entitlement in travelling to their home address. It might be appropriate, for example, to grant Travelling Time to an individual who was serving in the South of England and whose family resided in the Outer Isles of Scotland. On the other hand, it would be inappropriate to grant Travelling Time to an individual serving with his family in the South of England who decided to visit the Outer Isles of Scotland as part of a touring holiday.
2.006 Travelling Time may also be utilised to compensate Service personnel serving at remote locations for the amount of time necessarily spent travelling in taking leave. For those taking sea journeys, for example, the leave period could be allowed to reckon from the day of arrival on the mainland on the outward journey to the day of departure from the mainland on the return journey.
2.007 Travelling Time may be authorised at the discretion of COs. It should not exceed 2 days in any one period of authorised absence.
2.005 Travelling Time is designed primarily to ensure that Service personnel do not spend an inordinate amount of their leave entitlement in travelling to their home address. It might be appropriate, for example, to grant Travelling Time to an individual who was serving in the South of England and whose family resided in the Outer Isles of Scotland. On the other hand, it would be inappropriate to grant Travelling Time to an individual serving with his family in the South of England who decided to visit the Outer Isles of Scotland as part of a touring holiday.
2.006 Travelling Time may also be utilised to compensate Service personnel serving at remote locations for the amount of time necessarily spent travelling in taking leave. For those taking sea journeys, for example, the leave period could be allowed to reckon from the day of arrival on the mainland on the outward journey to the day of departure from the mainland on the return journey.
2.007 Travelling Time may be authorised at the discretion of COs. It should not exceed 2 days in any one period of authorised absence.