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RAAF Flight Screening Programme

Old 2nd May 2010, 06:28
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Hey folks

I am currently waiting on my specialist testing, which is on the 25th of May. My situation is that I am currently working casual at a factory and get a maximum of a couple of shifts in a week. I did not want to take up new employment until after the specialist testing, and given I pass it, not until I am cleared or barred based on my eye sight on the Assessment day. Hoping things go smooth all the way through, I still have about a month or two before I know for sure and was wondering if there is anything I can do during this period that would help add weight to my application should I later on go through to the OSB. I did check out the ADF work experience opportunities and there isnít anything vacant in Victoria, and even then nothing pertaining to the Air Force.

Just thought Iíll ask here. Wanted to do something worthwhile while I am waiting.
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Old 2nd May 2010, 09:32
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I would think anything aviation orientated, museums, air shows or military orientated. Work experience sounds good but it looks like thatís not an option.

If you aren't full time employed and have time can you get to an airport? Is there something you can do there?
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Old 2nd May 2010, 12:09
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Try fishermans bend, I think there is some aviation people there, also did you try RAAF East Sale? I know it's a little way from Melbourne but they do have Central flying school there, and the Nav school(or whatever they are calling them today) PM if you like, may have a contact there.
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Old 3rd May 2010, 02:22
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Hi all

Just want to confirm that at Pilot Specific Testing (the tests after you make it through your YOU day) there is NO interview? ie there is only the 2 maths tests (estimation and distance speed time), instrument reading, 2 lots of aircraft orientation and the hand eye coordination testing?
This meaning that the interview is at the Assessment day which follows at a later time? Am I correct?

Also on this note, what is the rough time period people had to wait between Pilot specific testing and the assessment day?

Best of luck to all at the various stages in their selection process.

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Old 3rd May 2010, 02:54
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The waiting periods vary a great deal. I completed my Pilot Spec testing in June 2009 and have only just completed my Assessment Day. They found some discrepancies in my application, so there was a delay. A mistake I made early on with my application, is that I didn't call often enough. Keep hassling, calling, emailing, etc. You have to be proactive with your application, and as an officer entry candidate, it is expected of you.

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Old 3rd May 2010, 09:56
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I am somewhat concerned, that no where amonst the posts, do I find someone who aspires to be anything but a knuckle head. Whilst that may be a noble cause indeed, and you could be the best pilot ever, you are missing two factors that the Air Force will be looking for.

The first is leadership, coupled to management which is harder to gain when you are sitting there all by yourself. However to be part of a crew, which eventually you will lead as a Captain, multi engine experience will develope skills that you will rarely achieve quickly being a jet pilot.

Yes the C130, Orion and the KC30 perhaps on the face of it are a bit ho hum, but I can assure that some of the most exciting flying I have had is in our trusty C130.

I am sure that with all of you trying to show you want to have fast jets on the top of your list, means that you also have to prove your point with all the other applicants. I wonder if your application said I want to fly multi, I aspire to become a QFI, I want to rise through the ranks and become an above average Exo, flight commander, QFI or even the CO, how many would look at your application in a different light.

At 36 Squadron we had an ex RAF Hunter pilot, what a lovely aircraft that was, but he said coming to fly the C130 was a great step forward.

The Air Force unless it has changed, is not just looking for good pilots, it is also and will be looking at your application, to see if you aspire to be a leader of men. I know plenty of good pilots, and some of them we would follow anywhere.

Just a thought if it helps.

Best of luck, though again I suspect that planning and clearly demonstarting you know where you are heading, will beet the need for luck.

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Old 3rd May 2010, 11:27
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Hey Herkman,

Unfortunately for me, aspiring to be an Orion pilot helped none!

I originally turned up at the Defence Force Recruiting Centre wanting to be an ATCO, sat the YOU session testing and saw that pilot was a possibility so went for it. It was difficult trying to persuade my Defence employee interviewer at my Assessment Day that I had the motivation to be a pilot. Most of the aspiring pilots he speaks to I'm sure all want to fly fast jets and because I didn't, I think it may have thrown him! He questioned my motivation for a good 10 minutes, but eventually, thankfully, recommended me.

A week before my impending date at Flight Screening my housemates heard of my desire to become a military pilot and, consequently, a conversation started up about Top Gun. They were astounded to hear I'd never seen it so (fortunately?) I had to sit through the movie that night. I'm sure there are a lot of aspiring Mavericks out there, and that has a lot to do with many's motivation to fly fast jets. But who hasn't seen the Hornets fly in formation on a national day of importance or seen an F111 dump-and-burn and had the hairs stand up on the back of their neck? I, for one certainly have!

Upon doing much research down at PSA before the Board interview I had obviously realised that attaining your wings and flying any military aircraft would be enough for me, but this would not be enough to convince the Board. Having seen the famous photo of the PC-3 Orion flare shot and heard what important work the aircraft had undertaken during the Black Saturday bushfires, I decided to go against the grain and announce my intention to fly it and work in maritime aviation amongst other vital roles. It didn't work out unfortunately, but was offered the Army's Aviation Cadetship. For six months I wanted nothing more than to fly the Blackhawk and for six months I had envisioned myself flying it and what it would take to get there. Unfortunately as the height limit was decreased this has no longer become an option.

Since hearing this somewhat devastating news, I have been waiting out for a Navy offer and for the last few months have wanted nothing more than to be flying Seahawks as part of a RAN ship's flight. I have envisioned myself in the right-hand seat as Captain of the aircraft and doing all those things neccessary on the long road to reaching that goal.

As many aspiring military pilots could attest to, you can't always have control of your destiny, so to speak, and certain roadblocks will be put in the way. But I do believe whatever can motivate you to reach that next step is extremely important and if that is to ultimately fly fast jets, then so be it.
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Old 3rd May 2010, 12:03
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The past few weeks have seemed pretty messy, by the looks of it I'd say a few egos have come to clash. I'd like to think that its still no good cause to disregard the past 6 months although it may be slightly distasteful.

Just about every other pilot candidate I know barring one wants to go for the fast jets and I'm certainly no exception. I don't think of it as unusual as high aspirations and one hell of a lot of motivation appear to be prerequisites for an ADF pilot in general, the recruiters may even view these high aspirations (backed by the right leadership potential, etc.) as a good sign for a candidate. Just because I'm aiming for the jets definately doesn't mean that I wouldn't be absolutely stoked to find myself in the cockpit of a PC-9, Orion, Herc or any other military aircraft in some years time. I certainly don't doubt that its as much fun as piloting a fast jet.

A pilot is obviously an officerial position and as you stated leadership potential and trainability in many other aspects are absolutely essential. One would hope that by the conclusion of Assesment day all those that do not display whats needed of them to be an officer or do not recognise that their primary role is to be an officer and secondly a pilot have been told to go home and work on it and try again later or simply just to go home.

I can't ever remember seeing top gun, i think what really got to me as a kid was seeing the f-111 do their nap of the earth training down low in the hills and valleys where I live, it was certainly a sight to behold (if you managed to see them)

As per usual, if you disagree with what I've written then feel free to correct me, In fact there's quite a lot to gain from constructive criticism.

Cheers herkman, its good to have someone directly in the know about.
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Old 3rd May 2010, 14:56
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You quite clearly have no understanding about flying Fast Jets and just resort to bagging them like most trashies. So i thought i should educate the hopefuls on this forum in regards to your statement.

"The first is leadership, coupled to management which is harder to gain when you are sitting there all by yourself. However to be part of a crew, which eventually you will lead as a Captain, multi engine experience will develope skills that you will rarely achieve quickly being a jet pilot."

When do fighters ever do something as a single ship? The answer is never in case you were wondering! You say that you will not get leadership experience as a Fast Jet pilot?

As a Multi pilot, sure you will be in charge of a crew, of probably 3, all in the same cockpit, a few feet from each other, working together to drive 1 aircraft around the sky, probably using auto pilot.

As a Fast Jet pilot, sure you will fly your own aircraft, as Captain. You will also lead up to 4-8 other aircraft in formation, making you responsible for not only your own aircraft, but 3 others. At the same time you will be working a radar, maintaining visual with your wingys, listening to GCI, and throwing rockets down range, all while handflying and with nobody sitting next to you to help. This is all before getting to a merge where things really start to get dynamic and difficult, oh by the way you are still required to lead your wingy through the fight and out the other side.

But i guess there is no leadership learnt flying fast Jets?
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Old 3rd May 2010, 20:56
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I am sorry if you are so overcome with the desire to "Fly fast Jets" never in all my service with the force did I hear the way to describe our fighter/bomber aircraft in such a way, that nothing else counts.

Aircraft were always referred to by the name, and I think that too much top gun has impacted into the recruiting market.

If you are to fly such aircraft, you need to understand the between being a flight leader and a captain. To become a flight leader you will need to not only to be able to fly the aircraft at an above average standard (might suggest you will not attain that standard for several years after graduating from Pearce) but also will have demonstarted that you have the maturity for the position. Not every one becomes a flight lrader, the old saying many being called and but few are chosen.

However a Captain by both the RAAF and the CAA is a pilot in command, leading and managing a crew of up to ten staff, which will enable the aircraft to complete the task assigned.

I know that the air force knows quite early in ones career if you are going to make the top grade, and this is something that all aircrew mustering have to come to understand. They expect you to be an officer and manager first, and whilst the flying part is important and flying is important, you need to understand that General duties branch usually gets all the top rating jobs. It is important that one has the ability to perform secondary duties just as well.

Piloting often is less demanding than some of these secondary duties, and I suspect that many fail selection because of this. The air force does not go to head hunters and say we need a CAS or CO, these men are groomed over many years to fit these slots. There are pilots who cannot make the grade in this area and so they become 40 year old FLLT's really going no where.

The point that I was trying to make is that if you want a military career, then you have to be a manager and leader first and that needs to be part of your presenation.

Additionally the fighter force is really in the complete sense but a small part of the complement of aircraft types.

Not only can some aircraft types help you progress your career, and from reading this forum many many aspire to fighters, there fore is one displayed more latitude in choice, you may not have so many people to compete with.

In conclusion you need to also demonstrate flexability, the person you are when you enter the air force, will be nothing like the person you will become in say three to five years.

Remember well that our chief of defense made his mark in the helicopter area, and you would be hard pressed to find a better leader than Angus.

All the best

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Old 3rd May 2010, 21:02
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Johnny- good luck with the RAN application, you may have wanted the other two options, but you haven't settled for third place by any means. Without getting into the my W*lly is bigger than yours competition that Herkman and Mr Keanas seem to enjoy - being the Only pilot on the ship when it comes to flying the aircraft when required is excellent.
Embarked flying is so much more demanding than shore based stuff as you have all the ship (now where is my airfield??) considerations and you get to land it when you get back.
With the new helos coming, both of the contenders are pretty good and both have a missile capability- Hellfire on one of them, not to mention modern avionics!

I must be getting old, people who haven't heard of Top Gun! probably about time someone made a re-make.
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Old 3rd May 2010, 22:42
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Thanks pinger, I totally agree with you!

But hopefully those sitting above me in the pool have a desire to only fly the jets, so by all means keenas and others, keep talking up that option .
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Old 4th May 2010, 09:45
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I'll take the choppers anyday. But the Army now says I'm 4cm too tall.
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Old 4th May 2010, 11:50
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Apologies to the Forum if my point was lost in a bit of W*lly swinging.

I was trying to point out that you will also get valuable leadership experience from the Fast Jet world, and that just because you are in an aircraft on your own, doesn't mean that there is no Leadership/management involved.

Herkman makes a good point in regards to being an Officer first and Pilot second and you should definatley work hard to present this side of yourself, as secondary duties are an unfortunate reality no matter where you go.

For those aspiring to fly Fast Jets, if thats what you want, then go for it! Don't be affraid to tell your recruiters this, there is nothing wrong with aiming for the top! Besides you never know you may just make it!

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Old 4th May 2010, 12:15
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The past few weeks have seemed pretty messy, by the looks of it I'd say a few egos have come to clash. I'd like to think that its still no good cause to disregard the past 6 months although it may be slightly distasteful.
I'm not writing off anything. You'll find that this thread has doubled in the last half a year, and its not because we've had a sudden influx of people posting the secrets of the selection process on here.

I'm of the opinion that the first half of this thread is the most helpful, and I'd seek out the appropriate people to clarify the rest. There are obviously some people that know what they're talking about in this thread that have completed the selection process. There are also some people (and you'll find these types at your flying clubs no doubt) that fit into the other category of "I have my PPL, but I know some military pilots therefore I'm a military pilot by association".

Its your choice, but be careful.

Edit: I agree with you on the Navy stuff, pinger. I'd love to fly Navy, but at the moment they aren't taking too many (hopefully will pick up when the new helos roll in). Totally disagree with the top gun remake though - I'm still waiting for the day I can watch a fast jet display without "Highway to the Danger Zone" blaring!

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Old 6th May 2010, 05:54
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Pilot Specific Testing

Hi all,

I have my Pilot Specific Testing coming up of the 17th of may and was hoping to gain more info on the maths tests.

I understand that there are two maths tests:
+one on estimation
+one on distance speed time

I have been reading back through the thread and see that the estimation exam involves dividing large numbers and multyplying decimals. Are all the questiions in this exam using numbers only or is there any algebra or other type of maths in it. What other style of questions are in it (percentages, fractions, addition etc)?

Second, is the distance speed time test just that plus fuel flow and burn calculations or anything else in there?

Also is there any other maths in these exams, or the future testing for that matter, that is not just numbers? I mean do I have to keep studying algebra, sohcahtoa, trig etc for these and future tests?
Any examples would be greatly appreciated

Thanks to all

Regards Jorocketoz

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Old 6th May 2010, 07:27
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Hi Jorocketoz,

You are right in saying that there are 2 types of the maths test. There are plenty examples online about speed/dist/time and from memory there is a pretty good link to a forum containing a whole bunch of speed/dist/time questions within this forum, which is quite helpful.

The other math test, containing things like small decimals multiplying large whole numbers etc, is more about getting your approximations right. Practice doing calculations very quickly and getting an answer within +/-20% of the actual answer, as the test is multi-choice, the correct choice (from a/b/c/d or e) will be within 10-20% of the actual answer... if that makes sense!

It is an interesting test to study for, as throughout high-school you are taught to get EXACT answers, but for this test you must work extremely quickly getting close to the actual answer; which is a totally different way of thinking compared to studying for a year 11 or 12 math test.

You don't do any maths testing during the Assessment day. I'm not sure about Flight Screening, which I am just about to do (leave this Saturday). I have a feeling they will tell me not to divulge any information about the OSB, just like I was told at my Army Reserve OSB.


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Old 10th May 2010, 14:42
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Assessment day question

Hi all,

First time writer, long time reader lol! anyways I've passed my Aptitude testing today - such a huge relief...calling tomorrow to book in my assessment day so about that - i know that they'll do the whole medical check etc and from reading this forum most ppl's questions about health have been regarding eye's and [email protected] surgery on it etc... but what about teeth..i havent exactly been one to follow the dentists guidelines down to the bone and though dont have really bad teeth, mine do need some work..so is this something that can hold me back?

apologies for what might be a n00b question but better to cover my bases.

btw good luck to anyone else out there going through testing...i know how ya'll feel
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Old 10th May 2010, 14:52
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RAAF eyesight

I hope I'm posting this in the right forum, but I was hoping for some advice.

I have a YOU session with RAAF in a few weeks, and while I may already be getting ahead of myself, I'm a little concerned about my eyesight. I have a class 1 civil aviation medical from CASA which doesn't require me to wear glasses, however my eyesight is not perfect.

I have fine binocular vision (6/6), but on my class 1 medical from CASA, it deemed my right eye by itself 5/6 and my left eye by itself 4/6.

Anyone know if this is/isn't good enough to be an air force pilot in Australia?
Old 10th May 2010, 22:56
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The dental isn't done till after a successful FSP. If they find anything that needs doing, they will make you (out of your own pocket) rectify this before enlistment. I had mine at Raaf Amberley and seeing I hadn't been to the dentist in lets say, years, I got lucky and had no problems. Not so the guy before me who needed wisdom teeth out and a whole bunch of work which according to the dentist was going to be thousands! If you listened to your Mum and brush twice a day and you should be cool!
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