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Hey Guys
Thought i would put my 2 cents in. I went through flight screening (direct entry) when i was 18. I was the youngest on my course but i got through with strong reccomendation. Its all about motivation if you can stick it out and put in the hard yards and then some you'll be fine. Apart from the obvious required to get yourself to flight screening, If you can articulate and demonstrate that its what you want to achieve in your life you'll be fine. The best advice i can give is if you cant wake up every morning and find something from the day flying before that makes you smile its probably not for you. There will be times where you want to throw it in but the moments where things just work for you and you nail a circuit or something minor like that make it all worth while when you can get back on the ground and share it with your new mates who are all going through the same thing. Youve just got to get through that because you'll get the reward at the end. Good Luck
Thought i would put my 2 cents in. I went through flight screening (direct entry) when i was 18. I was the youngest on my course but i got through with strong reccomendation. Its all about motivation if you can stick it out and put in the hard yards and then some you'll be fine. Apart from the obvious required to get yourself to flight screening, If you can articulate and demonstrate that its what you want to achieve in your life you'll be fine. The best advice i can give is if you cant wake up every morning and find something from the day flying before that makes you smile its probably not for you. There will be times where you want to throw it in but the moments where things just work for you and you nail a circuit or something minor like that make it all worth while when you can get back on the ground and share it with your new mates who are all going through the same thing. Youve just got to get through that because you'll get the reward at the end. Good Luck
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Try not to scare young people off to much about going for FSP. Whilst you are semi right in saying that you can only do FSP once, that is only the flying component. Many people come back just to do the OSB again if they are deemed not yet suitable for officer and there is no harm in this. Better to give it a shot at 18 and get "not yet 12 months" at OSB then giving it a shot at 20-something and still getting told no.
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Wow, I've never heard of anyone around school-leaving age getting through DEO selection. Well done! 
Everything I'd heard was that people around that age lacked life experience, out of curiosity, how do they "test" for life experience? And would a school leaver (So they'll be getting to FSP at 16/17) stand an equal chance at getting through DEO selection?
Everything I'd heard was that people around that age lacked life experience, out of curiosity, how do they "test" for life experience? And would a school leaver (So they'll be getting to FSP at 16/17) stand an equal chance at getting through DEO selection?
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Hey Everyone,
I completed an ADFA FSP course earlier in the year and managed to get a recommendation.
Just wondering if anyone has received an ADFA offer for next year yet? Anyone else do a ADFA FSP course this year?
Reading through this thread a little I do have a few bits of advice for people applying next year..
I would advise to getting around 15 hours in a light aircraft similar to the CT4B. I disagree with people saying that it makes no difference. Looking back I wish I had more experience (basically had none prior to the course).
A guy on my course had around 90 hours experience and received the highest flying score possible.
Cheers!
James
I completed an ADFA FSP course earlier in the year and managed to get a recommendation.
Just wondering if anyone has received an ADFA offer for next year yet? Anyone else do a ADFA FSP course this year?
Reading through this thread a little I do have a few bits of advice for people applying next year..
I would advise to getting around 15 hours in a light aircraft similar to the CT4B. I disagree with people saying that it makes no difference. Looking back I wish I had more experience (basically had none prior to the course).
A guy on my course had around 90 hours experience and received the highest flying score possible.
Cheers!
James
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Alot of people get through straight after leaving school, the average age is 24 at BFTS or so they say. You will get asked about how being so young might affect you and you have to prove you have life experience ie. living away from home, leadership experience and all of that but there are alot of young people at BFTS many being there first full time job
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Oh okay, thanks for that. Websites like these: http://www.westone.wa.gov.au/Documen...ilot_RAAF_.pdf make it seem quite different. 
(For those who can't be bothered reading it, a quote from the article: "Direct Entry can be a pretty tough task and being accepted on your first try rarely happens, especially if you’re applying straight out of school.")
Websites like these: http://www.westone.wa.gov.au/Documen...ilot_RAAF_.pdf make it seem quite different. (For those who can't be bothered reading it, a quote from the article: "Direct Entry can be a pretty tough task and being accepted on your first try rarely happens, especially if you’re applying straight out of school.")
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That seems to just be one persons opinion, to say that is is rare to get selected first time for DEO is a load of crook, although I admit that if you have just left school it would be harder to prove you have life experience and leadership skills.
In regards to anyone getting in first time DEO 4 people and myself off my flight screening course are now in the services training as pilots and that was our first attempt, on my actual pilots course of 18, 1 was an ex NAV, 2 RAAF techos and 1 other guy it was his second attempt at board the other 14 of us were accepted first time DEO, 2 of whom had left school the year before so I think that puts that rumour to bed.
In regards to anyone getting in first time DEO 4 people and myself off my flight screening course are now in the services training as pilots and that was our first attempt, on my actual pilots course of 18, 1 was an ex NAV, 2 RAAF techos and 1 other guy it was his second attempt at board the other 14 of us were accepted first time DEO, 2 of whom had left school the year before so I think that puts that rumour to bed.
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I have my pilots aptitude testing in a few days. I have been told that there is 28 maths questions and 6 mins to answer them...
I am a bit nervous about how many I can answer in that time, how many have other people answered who got past the testing?
What would you say in the minimum you need to answer (and get right) to pass?
I am a bit nervous about how many I can answer in that time, how many have other people answered who got past the testing?
What would you say in the minimum you need to answer (and get right) to pass?
don't give up
It seems not long ago i was looking at this thread trying to work out the best way to get thru each step. A few years on and though pilots course and living the dream!!
From what I have seen some people breeze straight in and others have to work a bit harder and wait a bit longer. The main thing is to not let set backs ruin your motivation. Keep attempting the tests, keep calling recruiting and do anything you can to improve yourself. Its a long road (something like 4 years from application to graduation for me) but it is definately achievable. Good luck!!
From what I have seen some people breeze straight in and others have to work a bit harder and wait a bit longer. The main thing is to not let set backs ruin your motivation. Keep attempting the tests, keep calling recruiting and do anything you can to improve yourself. Its a long road (something like 4 years from application to graduation for me) but it is definately achievable. Good luck!!
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From what I have gathered, you can only do undergraduate if the job you want has it as a method of entry. Pilot and ACO do not have it as a method of entry. you can see it for yourself Pilot | Defence Jobs
the methods of entry are written in blue below 'job details'.
Positions like legal officer do have it. You can see here Legal Officer | Defence Jobs that 'undergraduate' is written in blue below 'job details' (although legal officer is the hardest undergraduate position to get, as there was only 2 people who were successful last year across the whole defence force).
Remember that with most undergraduate positions you need to have completed your 1st year before they except you.
If you want to be a pilot or ACO and go to uni, ADFA is your only option (as far as I know). And you can only do a small number of degrees for those positions (like aviation, engineering and science degrees). You can find a list on the ADFA web site.
If you are young or a school leaver, reading threads on this forums I have learned it is easier to be a pilot if you join through ADFA.
You can find a wealth of information (that money can't buy) about tips on joining the RAAF as a pilot on this thread
http://www.pprune.org/military-aircr...merged-33.html which has been going from 2001 up to today, so you have alot of people who have gone through the whole application proccess and are now pilots in the RAAF giving advice as well as instructors (past and present).
By the way the phone number for DFR is 131902.
the methods of entry are written in blue below 'job details'.
Positions like legal officer do have it. You can see here Legal Officer | Defence Jobs that 'undergraduate' is written in blue below 'job details' (although legal officer is the hardest undergraduate position to get, as there was only 2 people who were successful last year across the whole defence force).
Remember that with most undergraduate positions you need to have completed your 1st year before they except you.
If you want to be a pilot or ACO and go to uni, ADFA is your only option (as far as I know). And you can only do a small number of degrees for those positions (like aviation, engineering and science degrees). You can find a list on the ADFA web site.
If you are young or a school leaver, reading threads on this forums I have learned it is easier to be a pilot if you join through ADFA.
You can find a wealth of information (that money can't buy) about tips on joining the RAAF as a pilot on this thread
http://www.pprune.org/military-aircr...merged-33.html which has been going from 2001 up to today, so you have alot of people who have gone through the whole application proccess and are now pilots in the RAAF giving advice as well as instructors (past and present).
By the way the phone number for DFR is 131902.
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ahh....I see you are 15. My advice to you (from what I have learnt reading many post on this forum) is that you use the next 3 years to do as much aviation and leadership things you can, as you can't join the RAAF untill you are 18. This will show them that you are passionate about aviation and have leadership qualities. Then apply for pilot/ACO as a ADFA candidate, as it is very hard to get in at 18 yrs of age through direct entry. And remember you need maths and physics in your HSC to be a good looking candidate.
Hope this helps and good luck.
Hope this helps and good luck.
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Yeh dude jump on defencejobs.gov.au. You cant join as a pilot as an undergraduate. If you want to do a degree and join as a pilot it must be through ADFA, or you can try direct entry. Dont listen to everyone who says its to hard to get DEO at 18 just make sure you do lots of leadership at school ie. school captain, sports captain, volunteer your time things like that and you will be fine at 18.
Dont forget that 2 unit maths is the minimum and although physics isnt required it is good and does help.
Also the number is 13 19 01 for Defence Force Recruiting. 13 19 02 is actually the number for the Candidate Resource Management Centre which is who you speak to once you have actually become an applicant.
And another correction to someones previous post you dont need to be 18 to join the ADF as a pilot. The minimum age at day of appointment is 17 and you can apply whilst your still in school at the minimum age of 16 1/2.
Dont forget that 2 unit maths is the minimum and although physics isnt required it is good and does help.
Also the number is 13 19 01 for Defence Force Recruiting. 13 19 02 is actually the number for the Candidate Resource Management Centre which is who you speak to once you have actually become an applicant.
And another correction to someones previous post you dont need to be 18 to join the ADF as a pilot. The minimum age at day of appointment is 17 and you can apply whilst your still in school at the minimum age of 16 1/2.
Dilmah G,
I know its good to have goals but before getting to 2OCU I would probably be more worried about passing the following,
Aptitude testing
Flight Screening
OTS
COMSURV
BFTS
2FTS
LIFCC
IFC
Come to think of it passing year 12 would be a good start!
I know its good to have goals but before getting to 2OCU I would probably be more worried about passing the following,
Aptitude testing
Flight Screening
OTS
COMSURV
BFTS
2FTS
LIFCC
IFC
Come to think of it passing year 12 would be a good start!
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Hey,
Actually I should've rephrased that,
"but I'm willing to do anything and everything that might help me get to (and hopefully pass) Flight Screening"
Yeah, aptitude testing was the part I was preparing for, since to my knowledge, SDT style questions were among those tested during the process (During Assessment Day I think?)
I was assuming doing well in Years 11/12 would serve as adequate preparation for the General Ability and Mathematical Ability test, (though I did the sample questions for both, they don't look *too* difficult.)
I know School and Leadership/Team Oriented Activities should be high on my list (and make no mistake, they are), but I feel I need to do more to get there, and so I fill some more of my spare time reading up about the RAAF and doing things like practicing SDT questions on that website, hoping it'll help me get there.
Actually I should've rephrased that,
"but I'm willing to do anything and everything that might help me get to (and hopefully pass) Flight Screening"
Yeah, aptitude testing was the part I was preparing for, since to my knowledge, SDT style questions were among those tested during the process (During Assessment Day I think?)
I was assuming doing well in Years 11/12 would serve as adequate preparation for the General Ability and Mathematical Ability test, (though I did the sample questions for both, they don't look *too* difficult.)
I know School and Leadership/Team Oriented Activities should be high on my list (and make no mistake, they are), but I feel I need to do more to get there, and so I fill some more of my spare time reading up about the RAAF and doing things like practicing SDT questions on that website, hoping it'll help me get there.
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hi guys
im thinking this is the best place to ask
i am trying to become a pilot in the raaf so bad i have just turned 27 so i dont have much time left
i have passed my joes days and the pilot testing the only thing holding me back was the fact i did not do year 12
so i went back to school for the past 2 years to get what i need and im about to do my final exams starting next week , and on top of that i have done any course i can fine to help my chances such as going to SA to do "stealh traning" run by a RAAF pilot also another course which i am now doing "aeronautical mathematics" from the collage of aeronautical science and i also Volunteer at the RAAF museum at pilot cook
also the year 12 subjects im taking are
math methods
physics
english
physicl ed
and can anyone tell me what a C grade average is ?? as this is what the RAAF want i know i should try for all A's but i just would like to know where the cut off line is
can anyone give me advice on what else i can do to make sure i get my chance at tamworth
Thank yous all so much
Matt
im thinking this is the best place to ask
i am trying to become a pilot in the raaf so bad i have just turned 27 so i dont have much time left
i have passed my joes days and the pilot testing the only thing holding me back was the fact i did not do year 12
so i went back to school for the past 2 years to get what i need and im about to do my final exams starting next week , and on top of that i have done any course i can fine to help my chances such as going to SA to do "stealh traning" run by a RAAF pilot also another course which i am now doing "aeronautical mathematics" from the collage of aeronautical science and i also Volunteer at the RAAF museum at pilot cook
also the year 12 subjects im taking are
math methods
physics
english
physicl ed
and can anyone tell me what a C grade average is ?? as this is what the RAAF want i know i should try for all A's but i just would like to know where the cut off line is
can anyone give me advice on what else i can do to make sure i get my chance at tamworth
Thank yous all so much
Matt
Matt,
I do not wish to rain on your parade; however the best advice I can give you is make certain your English is up to standard. I hope this post is not you normal level of grammar and spelling.
I do not wish to rain on your parade; however the best advice I can give you is make certain your English is up to standard. I hope this post is not you normal level of grammar and spelling.