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Old 14th Aug 2019, 10:51
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//Pilot ADFA Entry//

Hey everyone,

Im currently in Yr12 and had a LATE change of heart in terms of career progression to ADF pilot. Just completed my YOU session on the 12 Aug and have Additional Testing booked for 29th Aug. My case manager also booked the assessment session for the 5th Sept (cutoff for ADFA 2020 entry), which if I fail additional testing I would have to apply for another ADFA role.

Assuming I somehow get past Additional Testing and Assessment Day, will the ADF leave me out to dry to wait up to 6 months for ASP? Or will they somehow fast track me for ASP and OSB given I’m aiming for ADFA entry in Jan. I heard some pretty long wait times for ASP in this thread so I know my chances aren’t looking good lmao.




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Old 26th Aug 2019, 14:18
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Originally Posted by Theangelplan View Post
//Pilot ADFA Entry//

Hey everyone,

Im currently in Yr12 and had a LATE change of heart in terms of career progression to ADF pilot, having been forced to apply for medicine by parents. Just completed my YOU session on the 12 Aug and have Additional Testing booked for 29th Aug. My case manager also booked the assessment session for the 5th Sept (literally the last assessment day for ADFA 2020 entry), which if I fail additional testing I would have to apply for another ADFA role.

Assuming I somehow get past Additional Testing and Assessment Day, will the ADF leave me out to dry to wait up to 6 months for ASP? Or will they somehow fast track me for ASP and OSB given I’m aiming for ADFA entry in Jan. I heard some pretty long wait times for ASP in this thread so I know my chances aren’t looking good lmao.



There's heaps of ASP courses remaining this year. Last OSB is Nov though I think. Not sure if DEO or ADFA entry methods are different though.
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Old 29th Aug 2019, 22:56
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Theangelplan I'm in a similar situation. I'm in New Zealand and I sat my YOU session last earlier this week. I unlocked the pilot role no problem but I was told I can't progress until my New Zealand school results have been converted to the Australian System. I submitted those to NESA on Monday but they won't be returned for 10 working days. DFR said they will try and arrange an additional pilot testing session and an assessment day as soon as my results have come back, possibly even on the same day.

If I manage to finish assessment day by say, the 11th of September, will it be possible to attend ASP and OSB in time for 2020 ADFA or have I missed the cutoff? DFR said they don't actually have access to the exact cutoff date so I'm not really sure if it's possible or not. I've heard ASP and OSB can take a while to get into so I'm cutting it pretty fine. I'm really trying to aim for 2020 as I'm in my last year of school so I'd rather not have to wait around a whole year for 2021.
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Old 6th Sep 2019, 10:10
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Exclamation Medical problems have annulled my pilot offer

Hi there,
I wrote a few times in this forum as I have been in the process to be accepted in the ADF as a pilot for over 3 years now. I'm 20, and I received an offer for RAAF Pilot ADFA on the 19th of August 2019 after attending the OSB in march.

Unfortunately, on Monday I received a letter from DFR Medical saying that my opthomologist results came in and I have an accomodation which doesn't meet the requirements of AVR1, and have been classified as AVR3. I find the entire ordeal a bit odd, since they took 3 months since I sat the tests to give me the news, during which time they called me twice to ask me if I'd come in to do my test. I've never had any problems with my eyesight. My personal opinion is that the original results of the tests were lost or misplaced. But that is irrelevant now, as my offer has been revoked, and my application is on hold until further developments.

Today I went to do another optomolagist exam, at Personal Eyes as was suggested by my coordinator, and managed to get the results the same day, which, according to my doctor, were "well within AVR1 range" and he even went as far as saying "I have no idea how the other doctor deduced you have a bad eye-accomodation".

So, now I have the option to ask for a review, which I assume is the same as appealing the decision, by writing a letter with the supporting documentation I have obtained today.
The letter read:
  1. As a result of this decision your application for ADF service will not be processed further. However, should you have new medical evidence that the medical condition has resolved (cured or long term remission in the absence of ongoing treatment) and the risk of recurrence is low or that the diagnosis is incorrect, then you may request a review of decision. This medical evidence may include a repeat Ophthalmologist report - ideally performed by Personal Eyes as it should include all of the Aviation Ophthalmologist examination parameters. The request must be submitted in writing to DFRC Sydney - Medical Section [email protected] within the 12 weeks following the date of this letter. The request should be submitted to the DFRC medical section address below
To anyone that has gone through a similar experience, or knows any information regarding this appeal process, I have the following questions:
1. Although it says it will take a minimum of 6 weeks to process by the Head of Aviation Medicine in Canberra, is it likely to be longer? Could I be stuck in a pile until next year just to be approved by a doctor?
2. Would my appeal be more likely to be approved if I went to another clinic and repeated the tests a second time, and submitted both results, instead of just one set? As I understand they will otherwise have two sets of results which contradict each other, from the same company, but from two different clinics. How would they decide which to agree with if they only have two sets as opposed to three or more.
3. As I understand my offer has been nullified because of what happened, which I find hard to believe seeing as another set of results could prove the first ones wrong, at which point I would need to receive another offer even though I was deemed fit enough to be given one in the first place. Is this actually the case?


Thank you so much for any and all replies that I receive, this is a tough time for me and any guidance from you gods will be greatly appreciated!
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Old 9th Sep 2019, 15:34
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Originally Posted by rickyrider35 View Post
Hi there,
I wrote a few times in this forum as I have been in the process to be accepted in the ADF as a pilot for over 3 years now. I'm 20, and I received an offer for RAAF Pilot ADFA on the 19th of August 2019 after attending the OSB in march.

Unfortunately, on Monday I received a letter from DFR Medical saying that my opthomologist results came in and I have an accomodation which doesn't meet the requirements of AVR1, and have been classified as AVR3. I find the entire ordeal a bit odd, since they took 3 months since I sat the tests to give me the news, during which time they called me twice to ask me if I'd come in to do my test. I've never had any problems with my eyesight. My personal opinion is that the original results of the tests were lost or misplaced. But that is irrelevant now, as my offer has been revoked, and my application is on hold until further developments.

Today I went to do another optomolagist exam, at Personal Eyes as was suggested by my coordinator, and managed to get the results the same day, which, according to my doctor, were "well within AVR1 range" and he even went as far as saying "I have no idea how the other doctor deduced you have a bad eye-accomodation".

So, now I have the option to ask for a review, which I assume is the same as appealing the decision, by writing a letter with the supporting documentation I have obtained today.
The letter read:


To anyone that has gone through a similar experience, or knows any information regarding this appeal process, I have the following questions:
1. Although it says it will take a minimum of 6 weeks to process by the Head of Aviation Medicine in Canberra, is it likely to be longer? Could I be stuck in a pile until next year just to be approved by a doctor?
2. Would my appeal be more likely to be approved if I went to another clinic and repeated the tests a second time, and submitted both results, instead of just one set? As I understand they will otherwise have two sets of results which contradict each other, from the same company, but from two different clinics. How would they decide which to agree with if they only have two sets as opposed to three or more.
3. As I understand my offer has been nullified because of what happened, which I find hard to believe seeing as another set of results could prove the first ones wrong, at which point I would need to receive another offer even though I was deemed fit enough to be given one in the first place. Is this actually the case?


Thank you so much for any and all replies that I receive, this is a tough time for me and any guidance from you gods will be greatly appreciated!
​​​​​​Having been through an appeal process regarding eyesight, in answer to your questions:
1. Yes. Except six weeks as a minimum. This is Medical, they are their own beast. Get in quick as its coming up to end of year and everything shuts down from early Dec, so ideally you'd want a successive appeal and be back on track with a new offer prior to the end of the year.
2. Two wouldn't hurt. More supporting evidence for your appeal.
3. Maybe, maybe not. Get onto the appeal quick and stay very close with your EC; they can keep you abreast as to what positions/intakes are still likely to be available
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Old 9th Sep 2019, 21:54
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I missed episode 3, but watched a recording tonight, so late call from me. Yes, it was interesting and showed me how much had changed since I was a TWU instructor. When Beagle was a student and I his instructor (yes, I'm even older than him), he had a huge choice of postings. Harriers, Jaguars, Lightnings (EE version), Buccs, Canberras, Phantoms (think that is where Beagle went to) to name a few. I may even missed a few & do remember sending one student to VC10s. Moreover, not to be able to drop real bombs, fire real rockets and guns is not as much fun. Additionally, the actual hit is more important that a pic of a simulated hit. I do recall many times I had my gun camera film debriefed by a QWI who said it was rubbish, what was my score?; to which I replied Direct Hit (DH). There is no substitute for live weapons. That said, however, I do like the modern technology whereby Instructors can debrief the fight on computer. I never got to fly ACMI.
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Old 15th Sep 2019, 10:00
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Army pilots are currently under a "no service transfers accepted" policy, so don't join Army with the expectation of making the jump.
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Old 16th Sep 2019, 11:50
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Hey All,
Just finishing up my last pieces of assessment for Year 11, and since I'm shooting for ADFA next year, I have a question with regard to my school results. I'm currently doing straight maths/science (English, Specialist Maths, Maths Methods, Chem, Physics and Biol), and I will be continuing this into Year 12. What impact will my Year 11 and/or Year 12 results have on my application? I know I would have to achieve the required ATAR for my course at ADFA, but do my results in Year 11 have any affect?

Thanks in advance.
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Old 18th Sep 2019, 13:30
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Originally Posted by Niku. View Post
Hey All,
Just finishing up my last pieces of assessment for Year 11, and since I'm shooting for ADFA next year, I have a question with regard to my school results. I'm currently doing straight maths/science (English, Specialist Maths, Maths Methods, Chem, Physics and Biol), and I will be continuing this into Year 12. What impact will my Year 11 and/or Year 12 results have on my application? I know I would have to achieve the required ATAR for my course at ADFA, but do my results in Year 11 have any affect?

Thanks in advance.
Might depend on your Yr12 results... Either way, the best result you can possibly give them is YOUR best chance of getting to where you wanna go. There's not a lot you can do about Yr11 results now, so if they are not so good, do better in Yr12, if they are good, try and do better in Yr12. Get me?

Best of luck, heads down, stay away from distractions and remain focused.
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Old 9th Oct 2019, 08:16
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Your advice on ASP (and OSB?)

Hi everyone.

I'm currently in the queue for ASP, been offered a spot in November but need to delay.

I've been searching for as much information as possible regarding the ASP, but the best I can find is to download the CBAT app and do decimal multiplication type speed tests.

My question is, Is there anything else I can practice with?

Any advice would be greatly appreciated!

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Old 19th Oct 2019, 07:51
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Hi all, been lurking here for a while.

I have my ASP coming up next month, and I was wondering what tips/tricks people have to work through the complex SDT questions? For example, “what speed covers 297 miles in 3 hours and 40 minutes?”

It seems that any time an odd number gets thrown in, I get thrown out.

Any help would be much appreciated, as well as if anyone could share some gauge on how complex the SDT will be?

Cheers.
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Old 20th Oct 2019, 10:24
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@PP0595
3 x 14 was the most difficult equation on the ASP. no joke.
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Old 8th Nov 2019, 05:14
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Originally Posted by PP0595 View Post
Hi all, been lurking here for a while.

I have my ASP coming up next month, and I was wondering what tips/tricks people have to work through the complex SDT questions? For example, “what speed covers 297 miles in 3 hours and 40 minutes?”

It seems that any time an odd number gets thrown in, I get thrown out.

Any help would be much appreciated, as well as if anyone could share some gauge on how complex the SDT will be?

Cheers.
I used to look at these questions and wonder how anyone did it in their head, but its deceptively easy.
3 hours and 40 minutes is 3 and 2/3rds of an hour, which is 11/3 hours.
297/11 is 27. 27x3 is 81.
81mph
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Old 15th Nov 2019, 03:36
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Hey Everyone

I'm a 19yr old Uni Student applying for a role as a Joint Battlefield Airspace Controller or Air Traffic Controller in the RAAF. I was wondering if anyone else has been through the process for this role or if any successful applicants could shed some light on their experience.

Thanks heaps!!
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Old 17th Nov 2019, 13:12
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For anyone who took the ADFA journey or have been accepted, (or really just whoever has anything to do with it) how hard is it to get in? How well do you need to perform and what should your ATAR be looking like to even consider the ADFA route?
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Old 20th Nov 2019, 21:29
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flbbbles or can I just call you b**bs

The ATAR is up to you in regards to the degree you wish to pursue. In saying that it's a competitive (nasty non PC correct word that is no longer used in recruiting for the ADF) process. Mate you should be able to work out that if your chasing a high 70's ATAR for an ARTS degree their are a lot in the same boat with only a limited number of spots available. So say you'r chasing a high 80's ATAR for an engineering degree and achieve this but all spots are filled and you than say I'll take an ARTS degree who do you think is going to get that spot, the 70's ATAR or the 80's?

In respect to how hard is it to get in. Nothing is hard if you want it but again it is a competitive process, limited spots against the number applying.

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Old 5th Dec 2019, 06:08
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Hey All,

First of all congratulations to anyone that has recently been accepted into the ADF for aircrew, your hard work has truly paid off and you deserve full credit!

I have a quick question. Unfortunately at my 2 ASP's I was knocked back for Air Force pilot. I fully believe I can reach the standard required as first time being so young (16) I did feel quite nervous and made many silly mistakes, which really brought my score down, and second time I did perform much better with a cooler head (being older at 18), however I genuinely feel as though with the appropriate practice and experience my third attempt will be even better. I ranked quite high in some of the domains and just need to try and improve one or two (mainly strategic task management).

In the mean time before I go back, and whilst I complete my degree (I've just completed the first year of a four year mech and aero engineering degree), I have considered joining the reserves in some capacity, to not only improve my officer potential and demonstrate military motivation, but also to just genuinely serve my country in some capacity before I am able to hopefully fully dedicate myself to the service in the role I have always dreamed of.

Would joining the reserves be feasible if I want to later serve as a pilot (or even mission if pilot is not an option third time round), and if so, what would be the best roles (officer or enlisted) to join as for a future potential pilot (regardless of if they're recruiting for them at this moment)? I was thinking the top ones in the air force would be Intelligence officer or Ops manager (both are offered as reserve roles), but I'm open to any suggestions from all three services. Finally, if I am fortunate to enter into the reserves as an officer, would I need to repeat officer training, as it appears to be identical to full time?

Thank you for reading all of that! Any help would be greatly appreciated. Also if anyone has tips for improving strategic task management, I'm more than happy to hear that as well!
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Old 23rd Dec 2019, 06:07
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G'day jimjim,

I don't think reserve time would overly assist you in your application for Pilot. One big thing to take in to the recruitment centres though - apply for the job that you want and if they tell you they aren't recruiting for that position at the moment, tell them that is all you want.

They have targets to meet and are fulfilling a role of someone not much better than a car salesman. Don't trust what they say, if you encounter someone in those centres that cares about you, then you have found a very rare individual.

Also - most of them have no idea about the roles they are selling you.. no more of an idea than any random person who has a friend of a friend that does the role.
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Old 23rd Dec 2019, 12:45
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Also, to add to this... by joining the reserves you no longer compete for a “Direct Entry” target, rather you compete for an “In Service” target. This can be just as much if not more competitive because the number of targets is considerably lower, and you’ll find that the level of competition can be arguably higher (considering that being in service you have a leg-up by the way of networking, information access and corporate knowledge).
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Old 30th Dec 2019, 16:01
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Hey all, I have been using the forms for the last year and used them to prepare for my ASP that I attended in early November this year. I received a recommendation for pilot and I was just wondering if anyone knows when the next round of OSB's will be?
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