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RAAF Flight Screening Program (Merged)

Old 14th Sep 2010, 00:38
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Thankyou Spacemantan

I shall now be the squeaky wheel. I Am going to the williamtown airshow so hopefully I should be able to talk to a few pilots, get an idea of what it is like through training/ in a squadron.

In the meantime i was wondering if anyone out their had any answers to my question: While waiting for flight screening, would it be more beneficial for me to get flying Lessons or do aerobatic joy flights?

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Old 14th Sep 2010, 02:02
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aus111c,

I've been doing some flying lessons and have done one aerobatic flight so far out of about 10 hours (I think around the 7 hour mark). Just did some basic manoeuvres inc. barrel rolls, loops and hammerheads and to be honest I've been much more sketchy at times flying circuits and when it gets a bit rough/windy due to my inexperience. Personally I would feel much more confident going to FSP having done some actual lessons, done a few hours in the circuit, made some radio calls, learnt some checklists, etc. - just getting used to the environment and the types of procedures you will be using. I thought I would have no problems with this sort of thing but I have found you very quickly run out of brainspace in an unfamiliar environment when trying to do a number of new things simultaneously. The aero stuff was relatively easy compared to all that and I'd be happy to go to FS without having done any if I couldn't afford it - I just did what my instructor showed/told me and it worked out... most of the time. I guess it's a good idea to do a flight if you can though - plus it's awesome fun Hope this helps mate!

- Just my opinion though - I'd be interested to hear what other people have to say as well, anyone else?

Jimmy

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Old 14th Sep 2010, 06:59
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I agree with Jimmy in regards to your question aus111c - however completing a few aerobatic flights can't hurt either (well, only your wallet..). I flew in a Tiger Moth today and did some aerobatics - I've done some in a glider before but it's a totally different feeling being in an open cockpit. I would recommend seeing how your body deals with lots of positive G's though (and a few negatives thrown in). It is expected that a few pilots - even on 2FTS - will feel a bit quesy in the PC9 but if you come down from an aerobatic flight feeling green and reaching for your sick bag every time then you might want to ask yourself if it's a one-off occurrence or if it's a more serious problem. Of course, this is only my opinion - but a few loops and barrel rolls can't hurt
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Old 14th Sep 2010, 07:24
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Thanks guys,

I think I will go with the lessons, even though a flight in a Pitts special seems very attractive. I have previously had 2 TIFs out at camden. One in a citabria, did a loop and hammerhead, kept my stomach inside, lots of fun. And then a standard TIF in a Cessna 172, My instructor that day was unbelievable, took the time with me to go over the whole plane, inside and out (systems, engine, materials etc), explained most of the instruments and then continued explaining every detail throughout the taxi and flight. Turned a half hour flight into a 45 minute flight and an hour of talking, very enjoyable.
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Old 14th Sep 2010, 07:36
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aus111c and Jimmy

Although learning things like checklists and RT etc etc gives you a good appreciation, you don't need to know that stuff for FSP. Don't get me wrong, i'm not trying to discourage you doing that sort of stuff, but I think you'll find that if you have control of the aircraft whilst someone operates the Radio's and does all your checklists (Just like FSP), you'll find that there can be an abundance of brain space... Which then gets sapped by moving quickly through the syllabus.

Once being selected post FSP and when you begin BFTS/2FTS... Thats when the appreciation comes in because you'll be expected to do it all yourself.
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Old 14th Sep 2010, 12:12
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Congrats to those selected to go to FSP, itís an achievement within itself.

For any of you have recently done specialist pilot testing, is the essay involved in this testing or assessment day.

Thanks in regards for an help

Lacho
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Old 14th Sep 2010, 22:00
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Lacho,
I had to write my essay on assessment day, first thing in the morning.
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Old 15th Sep 2010, 01:24
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Yep me too - was the first thing we had to do on Assessment Day. Make sure you have good reasons and answers to the obvious questions they will ask you - will help to set out the important points you want to get across so your essay has some structure and you don't forget anything - this will help for your interview as well. Good luck with it all!

Jimmy
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Old 15th Sep 2010, 04:52
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Lacho,

This thread contains a lot of good information on what to expect at both specialist testing and Assessment day so make sure to give it a thorough read through. As for the essays, I am under the impression they are utilised by the ADF to assess your ability to communicate effectively. Adding to what Jimmy recard said, it would certainly be a good idea to think about your personal motivation, expectations and qualities for the officer role prior to heading in as time will certainly be of the essence. However, equally as important in written communication is structure (you don't want to be jumping all over the place) and especially, spelling and grammar. Effective communication is a pivotal part of the officer role so expect your language to be heavily scrutinised. If you're looking for some feedback I'd suggest writing some mini-essays and getting your English teacher to have a look at them.

Good luck!

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Old 16th Sep 2010, 13:31
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On behalf of myself and all the other Tasmanian applicants who had the chance, I'd like to thank the boys from the Roulettes and the boys and girls from the 34 Squadron Challenger who played host to us after the Battle of Britain display in Hobart last weekend. (Not to mention a big thank you to the girls in recruiting for arranging the get together.)

Not having any airbases in the state can make it hard getting face to face time with serving pilots.

I'm sure my fellow applicants found it as useful and interesting as I did.

Doc.
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Old 19th Sep 2010, 13:47
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Called up Tamworth a couple of days ago to see how my application is going and the Cpl there that answered my call said that, although the next DEO FSP is full (09/10 - 23/10), my application is "competitive" and I'm "more than likely to have a spot on one of the remaining 3 DEO FSPs". I know it's not a definite yes but I'm pretty stoked with that news.

Anyone else waiting for a FSP spot this year I recommend giving the Cpl a call to see how your application is going; hopefully she'll have good news for you as well.

Spacemantan is dead on, just keep bugging the recruiters
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Old 20th Sep 2010, 09:44
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Hi everyone,

I have my assessment day coming up and I have been thinking over one issue. What would be there view on underage drinking?

I understand they would be against it but honestly, in my opinion, I think you would be hard pressed to find many year 11/12 aged kids that hadn't at least done it once or twice. I fall under this category - I have drunk socially with friends 3 times and I am currently 16 I have always intended to go in to the psych interview and try explain this but I am thinking that while honestly is great it might not be best in this situation. Also in replying please don't tell me how bad it is or that it is illegal etc. It is a decision I have made. Think of when you were 16/17, did you really never drink once?

Thank You,
Rhinodriver (hopefully one day).
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Old 20th Sep 2010, 10:42
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Did any of you manage to get out to the Airshow at Williamtown over the weekend?

It was great getting up close and personal to a few of the jets, especially the Super Hornet. Seeing it in action was inspiring. It was also helpful to chat to a few of the pilots as well.

I was disappointed that the C-17 didn't do a display, but i was able to have a good walk around the inside, and managed to have a good chat with the pilot as well. Really an amazing aircraft.

Cheers

Nick
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Old 20th Sep 2010, 11:34
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The squeaky wheel certainly does get the grease. I also found CPL Maher to be very helpful.

Managed to get a spot on the 9/10-23/10, anyone else heading down then?

Can't wait!

Cheers
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Old 20th Sep 2010, 11:38
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NickM91

Yeah I made the trip up there, got the sunburn to prove it haha.
I had a great day, but was also disappointed the C17 didn't go up...awesome to see the Rhino in action and the F111 farewell. Had a chat to an ex F111/Hawk instructor/current Rhino pilot. He summed up Flight screening as "monkey see, monkey do" which I found interesting. All in all, a long but great day. Nothing better to amp up the motivation.

OFN
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Old 21st Sep 2010, 02:35
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I was there. Had a good chat to 'rooster' the SQDLDR at 3 Sqdn, even got some things signed by him!

His advice was straight forward and obvious, but it works. To get in, he said, be school captain, get A's in physics and high level maths and a high grading HSC, play at least one sport and be team captain and get some gliding experience. Seems straight forwards, but that will tick all the boxes and you will be a top competitor.
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Old 21st Sep 2010, 04:59
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I was there. Had a good chat to 'rooster' the SQDLDR at 3 Sqdn, even got some things signed by him!

His advice was straight forward and obvious, but it works. To get in, he said, be school captain, get A's in physics and high level maths and a high grading HSC, play at least one sport and be team captain and get some gliding experience. Seems straight forwards, but that will tick all the boxes and you will be a top competitor.
Thanks for posting that info! Although you don't need A's in maths or physics. B's are sufficient.
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Old 21st Sep 2010, 06:02
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Quiet right BP, you don't need A's but, and there is always one, if its a toss up for the final spot between two appliacnts guess which one gets it.
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Old 21st Sep 2010, 22:46
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Airshow

Hey NicKM91, oneflewnorth, Shonfield and anyone else who went to the airshow on the weekend, it was a great experience.

Did anyone else notice the C-130 on the saturday. It was tugged down the taxi way but then about an hour later it was tugged back. I thought hmmm, why would u tug an aircraft to the end of the runway unless u wanted to fly so something isnt right. Sure enough, on my return to the show for the sunday, it did take to the air. On that note, I too would have loved to see the Globemaster in action, oh well, cant have your cake and eat it too.

I also had a great chat to many pilots from different types (C-17, BBJ, Wedgetail, Hawk, Hornet, PC-9, CT4 instructor...Oh and the FireFighters) and at different stages in their career. To all these pilots and the organisers of the show...Thankyou, it was a priceless experience.
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Old 22nd Sep 2010, 05:16
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I did my pilot additional testing yesterday and thanks to all who helped me with some invaluable information. Myself and another guy had an unusual result were we both passed for pilot but not ATC or ACO.

1. Will this possibly affect my competitiveness at FSP?

2. Will it be a possible chance for an attempted grilling at assessment day or OSB?

3. Does anyone know how or how to submit a request for results of the testing as the people at the DFRC didnít know?

Thanks in advance,
Lacho

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