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Old 27th Dec 2013, 02:32
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Class 4 Medical Appeal

I have just received a letter from medical. I'am classified as a class 4. Permanently unfit for service, unless my appeal is successful, due to an optometrist report. Pretty heartbreaking stuff...

Just wondering if anyone is in the same boat or has had a similar experience. Information on the appeal process would be greatly appreciated.

Cheers, Alec.
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Old 2nd Jan 2014, 10:37
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Hey Alec,
I would definitely get a second opinion and appeal. I know at least 2 other guys that have been told they dont meet the minimum eye standard. Apparently a new guy at AVMED is not letting people through if they dont meet the prescribed standard even if the optometrist says they are suitable for pilot. The optometrist in Perth resubmitted the paper work but wont hear anything until the new year. Although I dont know your situation I would look into it.

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Old 3rd Jan 2014, 04:08
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FC.

The optometrist does not set the standard. It matters nought, even if he knows the requirements, if he thinks your suitable, itís AVMED that make the decision.
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Old 3rd Jan 2014, 07:05
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RAAF Flight Screening Program (Merged)

How bad are you eyes?? laser surgery is an option for most but you won't get your file to fsp until you are medically fit
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Old 8th Jan 2014, 04:02
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Eye tests?

Hi guys, I'm very interested in any more details you can provide about the eye testing.

I am slightly colour blind. Most of the time I can see both numbers on the Ishihara test. I have passed the colour blind test at the you session (had to do both Ishihara and lantern test) but I am slightly stressed that it could be my undoing.

I have put way too much time and money into bettering my application to let this get in my way. I want to be as prepared as possible.
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Old 8th Jan 2014, 05:07
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It's the post FSP eye tests you need to worry about, they are very thorough! Best to go see an optometrist and find out before hand, may save you some headaches! GL

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Old 25th Jan 2014, 03:29
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Hi everyone.


I have been told that my file is at PSF.


Can anyone tell me what to expect. I have read this thread and found it all very informative but would like any new info on what happens at PSF.


Thanks
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Old 27th Jan 2014, 23:20
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I just rang up PSA this morning, and they are quite low on numbers at the moment. If your results are good enough then expect to get a booking on a FSP shortly.

As an update, RAAF are looking for quality fast jet pilots only at the moment (instead of just filling numbers, they want promising applicants, even if it means not filling spots), Army are looking for SSO applicants with experience at the moment and Navy is moving along as normal.

Hope this helps.
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Old 28th Jan 2014, 01:59
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Hello everyone,
Firstly would like to say thanks to everyone that has posted here. There is a wealth of information here for aspiring future pilots such as my self.
I sit pilot aptitude testing in the near future and am wanting to know people opinions on whether it is best to quickly guess any remaining questions that may be present before the time ends or best to leave them and just do the best you can accurately.
Also in regards to the spatial orientation test where there is a picture of an aircraft and a word depicting the next picture; for example- plane is INVERTED but straight and level and the movement is 'nose up' is the right answer a picture of the plane nose up or down as you see it on the paper/screen? Hope this makes sense to people!
Any response from people's experiences greatly appreciated.
Cheers. LS

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Old 28th Jan 2014, 07:21
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That is spot on C17.

When I was as Flight Screening last year, they were very clear that the RAAF were only really after fast jet pilots. They have also implemented a 'Gate' for RAAF members after BFTS. This is a check point meaning that just because you pass BFTS, it doesn't mean you automatically progress to 2FTS. If you pass, but are not in the top candidates, you will not make it through the gate and might possibly be streamed to ACO, or something else in the RAAF.

Right about Army, and Navy only has about 3 spots per NEOC intake.
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Old 29th Jan 2014, 03:58
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Hi Everyone,

I posted here a while ago about my application process. At that time I was held up by my medical. Since then I have been given a waiver for my hearing (was only slightly below minimum at 1 freq. in one ear) and I am due to go to Tamworth this Sunday.

After I had been told I had gotten the hearing waiver I was booked in to see an ophthalmologist, get a blood test and see the RAAF dentist at Penrith, all of which I did not have to pay. Is it normal to do these tests before flight screening and are there any extra medical tests are done after flight screening if you are successful?

Good luck to all others who are applying!
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Old 29th Jan 2014, 10:16
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m0ridin,

Those are the extra medicals that are done after FSP. As far as I know it's not normal to do them pre-FSP.

Perhaps they're doing them beforehand because there might be a distribution coming up soon after your FSP ends, and if you're successful they won't want to waste time getting things sorted. That's just a guess though.
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Old 29th Jan 2014, 21:30
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Frappe, I know myself, and others had the extra medicals prior to going to Tamworth. I think, as you say, it is to help speed up the process when offers start to come out.

That said, I know of some, who get these tests done, then go to Tamworth, only to get home and find that they did not pass these tests and are now not medically fit.
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Old 1st Feb 2014, 02:25
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Hi All,

I also had my medicals completed prior to the FSP. I have been invited to the mid Feb course but have completed the ophthalmology, dental and blood tests already which I found interesting.

I think there is quite a shortage on the courses at the moment as my enlistment coordinator advised me in early January that the FSP courses are full until mid March, then PSA rang up about two weeks later offering a spot mid Feb with only 2 weeks notice.

In regards to the FSP is anybody able to shed any light on whether there is additional testing done? Should I be brushing up on more specific mathematics or is it mainly leadership and teamwork activities as well as the presentations?

Also if anybody was able to speak with me privately regarding life in the ADF I would be very very appreciative. I was informed I should organize a base visit and speak with a current serving member in the role I am applying for. I have tried for a base visit but am being told it's not possible as the FSP is too soon and I have a friend in the Army flying Chinooks who I would speak to but I believe he is in the Middle East still as I can't get hold of him.

Any help is greatly appreciated!
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Old 3rd Feb 2014, 02:54
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Laser surgery

Just to be clear for people considering laser surgery...
  • You don't need "perfect" eyesight to attend FSP. In other words, no need to consider laser surgery until after FSP.
  • Regarding eyesight, discuss it with medical staff. Don't listen to other ADF/DFR personnel in DFR offices.
  • When I went through, there was a pre-surgery limit of -5.00 diopters which you had to be above, eg: I was okay, since I had -3.75 before surgery.
  • After laser surgery, you'll need to obtain post-op reports for a 3 month period before they'll progress your application. Plan accordingly.
I was told in no uncertain terms, by ADF personnel at three different DFR offices, that;
  1. I needed to have 20/20 (6/6) vision before applying for pilot (ie: before YOU session)
  2. I could have any type of laser surgery
Both points were very incorrect. Medical staff were extremely unhappy when they found out I'd been given that information. Apparently I could've asked to speak to medical staff at the DFR office and they would've given me the correct information... if only I'd known to ask... at that point I believed if someone in a DFR office told be something, it had to be correct. And yes, I do feel like a complete idiot now.

As someone else pointed out, AVMED has the authority to issue waivers for FSP attendance. I don't know about the post-FSP testing/waiver process.
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Old 4th Feb 2014, 07:13
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Class 4 appeal

If anyone out there has been through an appeal for a class 4 medical and your willing to discuss your experience could you please get in touch with me.

Thanks.
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Old 12th Feb 2014, 05:20
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anyone have astigmatism but been cleared for medical 1?

had my ophthalmologist test done. 20/20 vision, but i have slight astigmatism, however he said i don't need to wear glasses.

I checked online and most pilots in the RAF/USAF can have slight astigmatism and be waivered through. Not sure how it's done here. Hoping someone's been through the same as me, thanks!

also going to FSP march second
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Old 12th Feb 2014, 21:12
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Sashisruski,

Have a read of this - http://www.oaansw.com.au/visionstds/...s_Aviation.pdf - you can see that you can have an astigmatism and still be AVR1.

No issue really.

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Old 13th Feb 2014, 04:42
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@JetX

you'll be treated the same as any other candidate. Doesn't matter how much experience you have (although it does look good and shows you're passionate about aviation).

You'll still need to do the you day, specific testing, medical, assessment then onto FSP. remember there have been guys with 2000hrs+ in jets straight from qantas who didn't get a recommendation. Military flying is far more different than civilian. Age can also be a factor
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Old 13th Feb 2014, 05:07
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You are right there about the military flying being different to civilian flying Sashisruski.

But FYI - from my experience at FSP, age is not a factor - unless the applicant is 40+.
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