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RAAF Flight Screening Program (Merged)

Old 29th Apr 2010, 13:41
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Well done blackbird, good to hear mate. Obviously no issues with your lankiness?

Psycho joe, isn't 180kn, 15nm 5 minutes? Or am I missing something?
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Old 29th Apr 2010, 14:03
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Psycho joe, isn't 180kn, 15nm 5 minutes? Or am I missing something?
Good pickup, I'm presently home with the flu. Thats my excuse.


Haha, I saw a picture taken from someone else's Flight Screening course, and they were sitting around an F15 model plane they built; What is the deal with this?

Is this some kind of team building exercise?
..Or an ego stroking one. military 101, If you have enough stripes you make the rules.

Your ability to fly an aeroplane & be an officer will come down, in part, to your ability to glue and paint bits of plastic. If you do well you get the oohs & aah's from the Wing Commander & your plane gets whisked straight to the pool room (RSL). The ones that don't make it end up scattered around the OSB interview room.

Just as importantly you will have to give a speach without notes on a topic relating to the model. (engines, airframes etc.)

Good luck gentlemen. If we're ever attacked by plastic model aeroplanes, a beleaguered nation will collectively turn it's eyes to...the flight screeners.

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Old 29th Apr 2010, 21:08
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Psycho Joe-
Alternatively the plastic model exercise could be a good way for the board members to observe how people contribute to a team activity- any team activity, also how well they can stand up and talk about aspects of a subject they have been told to research (an aircraft) and they might even be able to work out some level of enthusiasm for military aviation in general,

Alternatively it could just be a ridiculous requirement.....
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Old 29th Apr 2010, 22:53
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Hmmmm,

A group doing something together.... I'll take what is teamwork??

A speech given to a group.... I''ll take what is public speaking.

But no thats surely got nothing to do with it. The board just wants to play with plastic models and know that the new intake can defend Australia with them. I mean really its all about flying isn't it?
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Old 30th Apr 2010, 03:50
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A group doing something together.... I'll take what is teamwork??
Why would the board assume team work here when they already have team based scenario activities that are conducted in front of the board? The psych will also work out team structure in a ranking exercise. More than likely the most artisticly minded person in the group will do the model on their own. Better yet there are rumours of someone who lives in Tamworth, making good money out of building model aeroplanes...Delegation & outsourcing perhaps?

A speech given to a group.... I''ll take what is public speaking
Again, there are already public speaking activities in front of the board that are harder than this.

I believe that the purpose of the exercise is to decrease your personal time & increase stress levels. Personally, I'm glad that I didn't have to do it as i have no artistic ability whatsoever. I fly aeroplanes, I can't paint em.
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Old 30th Apr 2010, 04:07
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@ oneflewnorth
Obviously no issues with your lankiness?
No issues mate, ended up falling 8mm below the sitting height requirement of 100cm. They had two nurses and a doctor check!! I think just to make sure I had soiled my pants sufficiently!!

@ cj0203
Oh and get good at modeling aircraft!
Sounds fun to be honest!!
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Old 30th Apr 2010, 04:39
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Looking at my last post, what I really meant is that some people get far too worked up about what happens at FSP at the expense of doing it.

So what if you have to make a plastic model, who cares if the aircraft aren't the best performing in the world, does it really matter that the jumpsuits are the ugliest things in creation? I know if I wanted the job badly enough I would just get on with it and try my hardest.

I'll get off my soap box, but there are some really good models there that show the people involved had some fun making them.

Where are you up to in the ADF P-Joe? How long ago did you go through FSP?- Just interested
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Old 30th Apr 2010, 04:57
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PJ,

I doubt very much if the board dreams up activities for the sake of adding stress to the group, particularly in this course given the flying component.

You are exactly right, there are team based scenario's in the board and that is exactly why one would be given outside the board. I would be very surprised if the board doesn't prob into who did what and when did you build it etc.

Again you are right. There are public speaking activities in the board. The difference to this one is it is a prepared one. Also I'll bet as such the boys and girls are questioned on their talk. So its not just thinking on your feet. Its how much effort you put into your talk, how well you delivered it, how much knowledge you have on it and etc

Fair enough you may not see any benefit in model building as a team exercise nor deliver a prepared talk but given these are outside the board I bet the board members do.

Oneflewnorth,

lost me 180kts for 15nm = 5min, isn't that what PJ said?
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Old 30th Apr 2010, 05:12
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Whatever they are trying to achieve through the model building exercise; it looks like a bit of fun either way.
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Old 30th Apr 2010, 06:56
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lost me 180kts for 15nm = 5min, isn't that what PJ said?
The post was ammended after Oneflewnorth raised the point.

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Old 30th Apr 2010, 06:59
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You may not see the value in the model building exercise...but I can confirm that occasionally some FSP staff volunteer to relieve the crowded shelf of a few well constructed examples if that makes any difference

There is both pre-prepared and impromptu speaking, and you are quizzed by the board on aspects of these. Its not hard to guess what they might ask, thats what I did and it was pretty close. Best advice is to know all of the services, know yourself, know why you're there and also get a bit of speaking practice in. Some say its defeating the purpose, but I say the best impromptu speeches are the ones you prepared for
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Old 30th Apr 2010, 07:13
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FK,

I'm very familiar with the process, the personalities involved, and the reasoning behind them. I stand by my post.

ellioy,

Correct, play the game, jump the hoops and you'll do fine.

If any of you have any questions about FSP, OSB etc feel free to PM me as I'm more than happy to help out new fellow aviators.

Without wanting to state the bleeding obvious, be careful about posting details on an open forum that no doubt is known to OSB members; Particularly if you've slagged off about DFR (who hasn't).
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Old 30th Apr 2010, 10:02
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PJ

good to know that youíre in the know. You wouldn't happen to be the alter ego of CAPT SANDMAN.

True he who is charge owns the train set. So as you are familiar with the process and the personalities and the reason behind this exercise, it then is fact that it is just to decrease personal time and increase stress levels.

I guess youíre right. Lemme see thats about 11 days (minus the travel and two board days) to build a plastic model which normally takes a 12 yo about (guessing here any model makers out there) what 5 - 6 hours. Given that its, how many in an FSP group, 7-8 adults. If you fly twice a day your finished in 6 days. So therefore forgetting nights where you are furiously studying that leaves 5 odd days (40 hours) for 7-8 adults to build this model. Yeah I would be panicked about the limited time and therefore really stressed. Cause I haven't forgotten the extra stress caused by having to research the type of aircraft the model is.
PJ maybe I am taking your post the wrong way but it appears as if your saying that the exercise is a waste of time thought up by an egotistical Wing Commander ( I don't think you have to be a Wing Commander to be egotistical have seen a few of those at Pilot Officer) to increase stress, decrease free time and provide models to whomever.

Undoubtedly your right with the OSB members monitoring this thread. However I doubt its a problem to say what you think in particular regarding recruiting and how incompetent they are.
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Old 30th Apr 2010, 15:04
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good to know that youíre in the know. You wouldn't happen to be the alter ego of CAPT SANDMAN.
No, Not that I know of, although I have spent years trying to build a case for insanity.

Sometimes I like to go on forums & pretend that I'm a retired FJ pilot who trains Muslim kids how to theoretically bomb coalition forces. Then again, that might have been a friend of a friend of mine. Sound familiar?

90% of your posts are on Flight Screening, yet you've never actually been through it yourself have you?
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Old 1st May 2010, 03:29
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Quite correct. Flight screening was way after my time.

Just the same as, unless I have misread, you never did the model building thingy and the reason it is done, but obviously are an expert in this area.

I am so pleased that a friend of a friend of mine is a retired FJ pilot (quite a few in fact). As far as training what to do what with whom, do we wish to go into a history lesson where yesterdays enemies are todayís trading buddies.

As a ex QFI I do find it interesting to see how the system works and especially how the youngsters are perceiving it. I do not like here say and gossip and certainly do have contacts that can verify "facts" and not from the side you have been on but the examining side.

Once again a topic is being side tracked because someone doesn't like being disagreed with and it starts to become personal. I apologise if wrong but I do not believe I have alluded to any slur obvious or poorly masked about you. Maybe I am not interpreting your last post correctly? but to the best of my knowledge you don't know me and therefore know jackshit about my history. Who is pretending to be a retired FJ pilot? I really don't do any bombing missions, theoretical or otherwise. Perhaps I should state that you must be in situ at BFTS considering you know, the personalities, process and reasoning behind them. As such you must be a QFI at BFTS, at least, if not a board member at PSA.

I will continue to disagree with you on the value of what this topic is about, the model building exercise. You have your right to state that "it is a time consuming and stress raising exercise " delivered by an egotistical WGCDR for the purpose of providing pool rooms in the RSL with nice models. I have a right to say sorry sweetheart but I disagree.

Itís a shame that the topic cannot be stuck to.
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Old 1st May 2010, 05:11
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but to the best of my knowledge you don't know me and therefore know jackshit about my history.
Ditto "sweetheart", but I do know your psych profile, and I know that you have to have the last word. I'm also glad to hear that you were never tasked with a pointless exercise during your military experience.

Once again a topic is being side tracked because someone doesn't like being disagreed with and it starts to become personal.
No, it was sidetracked because someone had a disproportionate response about a pointless sub-topic. The response in itself is far more interesting to me than the topic. The irony is that for someone not associated with the said activity, you've wasted a disproportionate amount of time defending a pointless activity. Which in itself has acheived nothing. ie pointless. Subject a little close to the bone perhaps?

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Old 1st May 2010, 05:19
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If anyone here seriously wants to become a military pilot and wants some advice, do yourself a favour and read the first half of this thread, and PM those who you feel could offer some insight into the selection process/career.

Otherwise, steer clear of the last 6 months of this thread - having completed the process recently I can confirm that there is quite a bit of "swing and miss" in the info provided here unfortunately (rumour network ), and isn't worth braving a minefield of disinformation for something as important as this.
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Old 1st May 2010, 06:29
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Mudrat well said.

If youíre not positive about something ask and if the info provided on here is contradictory or confusing, donít bother with recruiting, contact someone who has been through the process recently


PJ

Oh dear, I guess you nom de plume sums it up.

Your reply to my reply to your reply whoís time to what time? Uncertain as to what a propionate response is regarding to giving a detailed response to ď I know beans and so donít tell me about beansĒ would beĒ. Yeah I still raise to the bait when someone beats their chest on being an expert. Particularly when itís pure conjecture.

I have yet to know of an individual that has been in the military that hasnít been given a pointless exercise at some stage.

Iím pleased you find the side topic more interesting than the topic itself. I wonder why you bothered to post at all on said topic? Or would it be that you like causing dissention or have a need to be noticed . Cannot be bothered to view your other post to see if there may be some evidence to my statement.

Close to the bone absolutely. Already stated the dislike for hear-say/gossip. But due to your lack of response in regards to, area of expertise for the model exercise, becoming personal ( I do get a little worked up when some one implies things like pretending to be this or that about me) and being at BFTS I can only assume you are right as you are there and know the finer details. The WGCDR must be egotistical and the exercise is a waste of time and resources. Which is great info for the boys and girls going to flight screening.

Pointless?? Right. Nothing like a positive spin from an experienced military pilot to put fire in the belly of the of the newbies, or are you going to tell me you arenít and have not been in the ADF?
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Old 1st May 2010, 10:06
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Hi everyone!

Nationally the ADFA award applications for this year open today. Before I go ahead and book a YOU session, I would like to get a minimum 1-2 months study. After reading through the thread I have written myself a list of things to study, brush up on and have responses to. For those of you who have had the session and the spec testing, any feedback on what I do or donít need would be greatly appreciated. For those pessimists, it may seem that I am going overboard just for YOU session, but just like many of the contributors to this thread, I am determined to be a fast jet pilot in the RAAF and am prepared to work hard to get there. Below is what I am studying.

Bases
Current operational aircraft - Numbers?
Specifications Ė F/A Ė 18 Hornet, BAe 127 Hawk, PC-9/A
Operating flying squadrons - where? - aircraft operated?
Speed, distance, time questions - OASC
Fuel flow, rate per minute questions Ė OASC
North, South orientation questions - OASC
Recruitment process - where? - How long? Ė What?
What is the role of a RAAF pilot?
What is role of Hornet pilot?
What is role of RAAF officer?
Leader vs. manager difference
Trig (SOHCAHTOA)
Multiplication/long division large and small numbers
Percentage fraction exercises
Why do you want to be a pilot in the RAAF?
What if you donít get in?
Why fast Jets?
What sets you apart from other recruits?

Thanks,
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Old 1st May 2010, 10:48
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Lacho,

Sounds like you are on the right track to me mate, so keep working hard! I was also one of those people who went overboard with the study, and believe me it paid off! And trust me, you are going to need all that motivation and then some more to go through pilots course and on to Fast Jets. Its a bloody hard road, but its worth it!

Goodluck

And also well said Mudrat! As i have said before, too much dick swinging from some people.
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