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RAAF Flight Screening Program (Merged)

Old 3rd Aug 2017, 04:38
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Medical Appeal Query?

Hello All!

Like many of you I've ventured down the path of joining the ADF with aspirations of becoming a Pilot.
I've spent a considerable amount of time going through the wealth of information on this thread and am grateful to everyone who has contributed over the years.

I've recently completed my additional pilot testing having passed with eligibility for all the roles I had preferenced and had a Assessment session scheduled for a end of August. I've since had my session cancelled due to receiving a Med Class 4 after completing my Part B Medical Questionnaire.

I've been rendered ineligible due to a head injury I suffered while snowboarding in August 2016. I had a fall, suffered a concussion and had a tonic clonic seizure. I was medically cleared by my local hospital two days later after various scans (CT etc) and applicable checks and monitoring. I have no ongoing management for anything from the injury and this is the only seizure I have ever had in my life.

I note the ADF medical guidelines state you must be seizure free for at least 2 years. However, I was hoping for guidance for the following:
- Is it worth obtaining medical reports and attempting to appeal the decision?
- Is the decision likely to be overturned at all?
- Has anyone experienced anything similar and what was the outcome?

Thank you!
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Old 3rd Aug 2017, 04:58
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Hi everyone.

My pilot dossier was sent off to Tamworth last week (DEO). How long have competitive candidates had to wait between the paperwork being received and an invitation for FSP being made?

Would it be safe to assume if I receive an invitation to attend FSP that it wouldn't be until next year or is there a chance I could scrape in for a DEO spot this year?
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Old 3rd Aug 2017, 09:37
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Logical,
The answer will remain as 'no' until you ask the question. It might cost a bit to appeal (getting the specialist reports ect) and it may take a long time. You should keep the following in mind. I'm not a doctor, but head injuries and seizures and aviation don't really mix well. It isn't just the ADF that has a tough stance - so to do civil aviation regulatory bodies and militaries world-wide. Have a look at the DAME Clinical Practice Guidelines for head injuries and seizures on the CASA website. The ADF may have it's own additional and/or different policies, but this is the sort of thing you will come up against.
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Old 3rd Aug 2017, 21:48
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Originally Posted by ryano View Post
Logical,
The answer will remain as 'no' until you ask the question. It might cost a bit to appeal (getting the specialist reports ect) and it may take a long time. You should keep the following in mind. I'm not a doctor, but head injuries and seizures and aviation don't really mix well. It isn't just the ADF that has a tough stance - so to do civil aviation regulatory bodies and militaries world-wide. Have a look at the DAME Clinical Practice Guidelines for head injuries and seizures on the CASA website. The ADF may have it's own additional and/or different policies, but this is the sort of thing you will come up against.
Thanks for your input Ryano, it is greatly appreciated. I'll have a read over the CASA head injury/ seizure policies and make an informed decision from there. I guess all I can do is try to appeal and hope for the best.
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Old 7th Aug 2017, 18:56
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Originally Posted by Logicalexplanation View Post
Hello All!

Like many of you I've ventured down the path of joining the ADF with aspirations of becoming a Pilot.
I've spent a considerable amount of time going through the wealth of information on this thread and am grateful to everyone who has contributed over the years.

I've recently completed my additional pilot testing having passed with eligibility for all the roles I had preferenced and had a Assessment session scheduled for a end of August. I've since had my session cancelled due to receiving a Med Class 4 after completing my Part B Medical Questionnaire.

I've been rendered ineligible due to a head injury I suffered while snowboarding in August 2016. I had a fall, suffered a concussion and had a tonic clonic seizure. I was medically cleared by my local hospital two days later after various scans (CT etc) and applicable checks and monitoring. I have no ongoing management for anything from the injury and this is the only seizure I have ever had in my life.

I note the ADF medical guidelines state you must be seizure free for at least 2 years. However, I was hoping for guidance for the following:
- Is it worth obtaining medical reports and attempting to appeal the decision?
- Is the decision likely to be overturned at all?
- Has anyone experienced anything similar and what was the outcome?

Thank you!
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Look at the possible outcomes.

You get in, they find out, and they kick you out.

Or you tell the truth and you don't get in...

Either way you end up at the same place.

When I joined asthma was a big no no, yet there was more than once I heard a mysterious puffer like sound when "camping" during OTS. They all went on to pass and become FJ pilots.
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Old 7th Aug 2017, 21:42
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Hi everyone,

Great thread this! Been reading it all and absorbing as much info as I can from it all.

I passed assessment day last Wednesday, and have been recommended for all three (Ugrad Army AeroEng, RAAF Pilot, RAAF ACO).

I must admit though I am somewhat trepidatious about what the ADF may think of my age and my suitability to be a pilot (turning 37 next month).

The ACO who did my interviews seemed to think that as long as I passed all the testing they threw at me, then it wouldn't be an issue. However, if I did get in, I'd be coming out of flight school around 40....surely this would preclude me automatically from some jobs (i.e. fast jets), correct?

Has anybody here had any experience or knowledge of "old" blokes like myself making it through FSP (and then flight school), and if so, where they tended to end up? While I'd love to fly with the RAAF, if its going to be pushing sh*t uphill due to policies frowning upon an older candidate, then I'd be more than happy to fly helos with Navy or Army (if those pathways automatically prove more fortuitous given my age). I'd be thrilled flying in the military period, no matter what airframe it happened to be.

Thanks for any help you guys may have for me.
David
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Old 7th Aug 2017, 22:50
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What's the latest coming out of FSP?
Is there still a hold on Army recruiting for pilots?
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Old 8th Aug 2017, 00:53
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Originally Posted by Steve3194 View Post
What's the latest coming out of FSP?
Is there still a hold on Army recruiting for pilots?
That's correct. I was told by DFR that Army are full for pilots, whereas RAAF are the opposite, and are in overdrive recruiting for pilots at present. Perhaps it's all those new airframes coming in, plus skilled F18 pilots now doing JSF conversion training (and Orion jockeys moving across to the P8). Leaves me wondering who'll be left flying the Super Hornets and Growlers during the transition period whilst one would imagine a large % of pilots are training on and transitioning to the JSF.
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Old 8th Aug 2017, 10:39
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The Army is not full of pilots. Due to a number of reasons, the Army has a major backlog of people waiting for an operational conversion. Since the training system can't produce pilots any faster and is already running at capacity in terms of output, its only option is to slow its intake of fresh trainees to allow the backlog to clear. This will take a long (!) time. Even if it magically trained everyone waiting overnight though, the regiments would still be undermanned.
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Old 10th Aug 2017, 02:44
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Hi all,

Was just assigned my FSP & OSB course, DEO Course 201736, commencing Sunday 10 September Saturday 23 September 2017. Just seeing if anyone else on here is attending at the same time.

My file was sent down to PSA on the 28th of May 2017, to give an idea on potential waiting time for those applying.

Cheers,
Richard
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Old 10th Aug 2017, 04:09
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Hey there everyone.

I just got an invite to FSP for 10-23 September Is anyone else going to that one? Would be good to have a chat beforehand.

Best of luck to everyone going through the process currently.

(didn't mean for those smilies to look like such self-congratulatory clapping, by the way, but there doesn't seem to be a better "happy" option)

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Old 10th Aug 2017, 21:49
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Originally Posted by JN8 View Post
I just got an invite to FSP for 10-23 September Is anyone else going to that one? Would be good to have a chat beforehand.
Great minds think alike. Tried going to your profile but couldn't find a link to privately contact you. Hopefully the one on mine is working, shoot me an email and we can get a group chat going potentially.
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Old 11th Aug 2017, 02:59
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Originally Posted by JN8 View Post
Hey there everyone.

I just got an invite to FSP for 10-23 September Is anyone else going to that one? Would be good to have a chat beforehand.

Best of luck to everyone going through the process currently.

(didn't mean for those smilies to look like such self-congratulatory clapping, by the way, but there doesn't seem to be a better "happy" option)
Hey JN8 - Congratulations to you and every one else on receiving your invitation for FSP!!!

Just wondering, how long ago did your enlistment coordinator send off your pilot dossier to Tamworth? Just trying to get an idea of the waiting period for an invitation.

Cheers
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Old 11th Aug 2017, 04:24
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Originally Posted by RichardK View Post
Great minds think alike. Tried going to your profile but couldn't find a link to privately contact you. Hopefully the one on mine is working, shoot me an email and we can get a group chat going potentially.
Sent you an email, Richard
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Old 11th Aug 2017, 23:48
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Originally Posted by spandexo View Post
Hey JN8 - Congratulations to you and every one else on receiving your invitation for FSP!!!

Just wondering, how long ago did your enlistment coordinator send off your pilot dossier to Tamworth? Just trying to get an idea of the waiting period for an invitation.

Cheers
Hey spandexo,

My dossier was sent off in Early October last year. I was just sent confirmation of my selection for the FSP starting on 3rd September two weeks ago so It can take some time. I had pretty much given up hope. I am a bit of a special case though as my age would have to count against me. I'll be 44 by the time my FSP starts.

Anybody else on here attending the 201735 course?
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Old 12th Aug 2017, 03:16
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Anyone know if the male ban affects us?
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Old 12th Aug 2017, 09:11
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Originally Posted by titanpilot View Post
Hey spandexo,

My dossier was sent off in Early October last year. I was just sent confirmation of my selection for the FSP starting on 3rd September two weeks ago so It can take some time. I had pretty much given up hope. I am a bit of a special case though as my age would have to count against me. I'll be 44 by the time my FSP starts.

Anybody else on here attending the 201735 course?
Hey Titan

Thanks for the response and congratulations on your FSP invitation!! Looks like I have a bit of a wait as my dossier was only sent off last week.
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Old 12th Aug 2017, 16:12
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Originally Posted by titanpilot View Post
Hey spandexo,

My dossier was sent off in Early October last year. I was just sent confirmation of my selection for the FSP starting on 3rd September two weeks ago so It can take some time. I had pretty much given up hope. I am a bit of a special case though as my age would have to count against me. I'll be 44 by the time my FSP starts.

Anybody else on here attending the 201735 course?
Hello Titan. I am attending the 201735 Course 3rd September to 16th
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Old 13th Aug 2017, 01:05
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Originally Posted by spandexo View Post
Hey Titan

Thanks for the response and congratulations on your FSP invitation!! Looks like I have a bit of a wait as my dossier was only sent off last week.
Maybe, maybe not. From what I can make out the more competitive you are the quicker it will happen.

I was told when they first sent mine off that all the spots had been filled until the end of the year. They also told me that I was unlikely to get a spot at the start of the year since that is their busy time (I guess filling all the spots with the previous year's school leavers). They told me that after April things got quieter and I might get a spot after that.

As I said though my dossier may not have been as competitive due to my age. I have heard that the really competitive ones can get offers withing a month. Good luck buddy but don't give up if it doesn't happen straight away otherwise you may find yourself cramming in the study and desperately trying to get in shape like I currently am.
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Old 13th Aug 2017, 10:11
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Originally Posted by titanpilot View Post
Maybe, maybe not. From what I can make out the more competitive you are the quicker it will happen.

I was told when they first sent mine off that all the spots had been filled until the end of the year. They also told me that I was unlikely to get a spot at the start of the year since that is their busy time (I guess filling all the spots with the previous year's school leavers). They told me that after April things got quieter and I might get a spot after that.

As I said though my dossier may not have been as competitive due to my age. I have heard that the really competitive ones can get offers withing a month. Good luck buddy but don't give up if it doesn't happen straight away otherwise you may find yourself cramming in the study and desperately trying to get in shape like I currently am.

Thanks Titan, Fingers crossed it will all happen soon. And yeh I've just started studying up again!!

Best of luck for your FSP/OSB!
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