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RAAF Flight Screening Program (Merged)

Old 16th Apr 2013, 08:18
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Dear All,

Thank you all so much for providing your input that has allowed so many readers to build up their knowledge regarding the ADF selection process. Despite that there are 122 pages worth of posts I would just like to make sure that the picture I have painted for myself regarding the DFR is accurate. Furthermore I have a few questions relating to my personal situation of which I have not been able to find many examples off on the internet and would just like to seek some input/advice from individuals whom have recently been or are currently in the selection process or of coarse are in the RAAF themselves. My ambition is to join up with the ADF as a direct entry officer with the pilot position being my number 1 preference. Thank you in advance for your time.

I sat the general YOU session on the 21st of March 2013. The session went really well, a lot of the information provided on the internet was accurate regarding preparation for the general aptitude testing and also the mathematical testing. I did not finish both tests as I had about 70 of the 75 questions complete on the general aptitude test and around 3 or 4 questions on the maths test where I had absolutely no clue what the answer was. After all the testing was complete I had a brief talk with the medical examiner regarding my medical questionnaire and a brief colour perception test, all passed without a fuss however I still need to get my BMI down but it’s proving to be a bit more difficult than I thought. I am 193cm tall and have a BMI of 31.2, I understand full well that you have to have a BMI of 29.9 and below 105KG to qualify for a pilot role however my years playing rugby and rowing have given me a bit of a bigger frame then most but I will do my best to get her down. After the brief medical examination I was called into the office with the careers counsellor. He provided me with a single A4 sheet of paper with a listing of all the jobs I had qualified for based on the initial aptitude tests. Luckily a lot was available so of course I immediately decided upon following the path of Pilot in the ADF (RAAF preferably).

I have a second YOU session scheduled for the 19th of April 2013 for the “advanced assessment” I believe it’s called. I understand that there will be more general aptitude questions, memory, mathematical, physics, hand eye co-ordination and accuracy testing, however I just wanted to know if the general aptitude and maths test this time round will be of the same standard as the first one or higher? I just want to make sure that on top of the preparation already done I am not missing anything major. I have a few other questions regarding my real life experience but I feel that is more applicable for the Assessment Day and Office Selection Board so I will address those accordingly if I were to progress of course (fingers crossed!). Basically my question boils down to have any of you done the “advanced assessment” for the YOU session lately and what was your experience therein? I am just about to head out to a RAAF information session at DFR so looking to soak up some more knowledge there.

Thank you kindly in advance for reading what would be a lengthy post but seeing as I have read 122 pages worth of posts this is small fry in comparison to some J. Looking forward to hearing from you with your responses.

Kind Regards,

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Old 17th Apr 2013, 06:32
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The BMI thing has long been a vexed issue, as an unfit skinny person can breeze through where a well-muscled footy player can struggle. I know of one bloke in particular who played schoolboy rugby union for Australia who had to do all kinds of silly things, like dehydrate himself, to jump through the hoops.

One thing to keep in mind if you're trying to get your weight down is to avoid faddy diets etc, because you might find it plays havoc with your blood cholesterol etc. A balanced low kilojoule approach and aerobic fat burning exercise would probably be the go.

You may just have to pretend to be a supermodel for a while and eat a lettuce leaf a day! Good luck.
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Old 17th Apr 2013, 08:54
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I would also like to send out my thanks to the many contributors of this thread which provided me excellent reading material for the past 3 stages (YOU session, additional testing and finally assessment day).

After having my assessment day around 5 weeks ago, and then my medical reports sent one week after, this week I finally got cleared medical 3M (which I assume is changed to a 1 once you pass the dentist and eye checks after Flight Screening etc).

I now get to endure the 'fun' period of time waiting for PSA to ring me to organise a flight screening course
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Old 18th Apr 2013, 05:01
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Be aware now all those pursuing RAAF pilot it just got a lot more competitive. BFTS itself for RAAFies is now basically a 6 month FSP. The need for jet pilots means now that if your RAAF and successfully pass BFTS, you're placed once again in a pool for 2FTS and only the top will get a spot at Pearce. Those not selected - tough luck amigos, JBAC or ACO are for you.
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Old 18th Apr 2013, 15:24
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Originally Posted by cj0203
Be aware now all those pursuing RAAF pilot it just got a lot more competitive. BFTS itself for RAAFies is now basically a 6 month FSP. The need for jet pilots means now that if your RAAF and successfully pass BFTS, you're placed once again in a pool for 2FTS and only the top will get a spot at Pearce. Those not selected - tough luck amigos, JBAC or ACO are for you.
Oh wow. That's a massive change. I'm not sure I see how this increases the recruitment of 'jet' caliber pilots... I'd have thought having the wider range of selection would've been more desirable.

Is this applicable for pilots who elect to go down a jet 'stream', or is it applicable to all pilots? Just wondering how it affects pilots aiming to fly aircraft in other roles i.e. air lift or bizjets
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Old 18th Apr 2013, 16:41
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I guess its designed to filter out the weaker trainees, ones who look like they might scrape the grade for multi-engine streaming but would probably not make it for fast jet.

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Old 18th Apr 2013, 16:44
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Off on a tangent; anyone have an idea how long you are likely to wait for specialist medical checks after FSP these days? Assuming you pass.....
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Old 18th Apr 2013, 22:49
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You may just have to pretend to be a supermodel for a while and eat a lettuce leaf a day! Good luck.
We can't all be super-fit racing ferrets such as yourself mate!
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Old 18th Apr 2013, 23:03
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Oh wow. That's a massive change. I'm not sure I see how this increases the recruitment of 'jet' caliber pilots... I'd have thought having the wider range of selection would've been more desirable.

Is this applicable for pilots who elect to go down a jet 'stream', or is it applicable to all pilots? Just wondering how it affects pilots aiming to fly aircraft in other roles i.e. air lift or bizjets
This policy is applicable to all RAAF pilots. The fast jet world is hurting for numbers. The non-FJ units are over-stocked with pilots. The reasons why are another argument altogether.
It's basically supply and demand. It's their train set, so they recruit and man as they see fit. Personally I reckon there's better ways to go about it, but apparently the opinion of a 28+ years pilot doesn't count for much.

I guess one way around it is to say you want to go FJ, fail the course and get posted to where you want to go anyway!. One word of advice though, don't tell them you want to fly "bizjets" (I assume you mean VIP). The RAAF wants combat aviators, not airline pilots.
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Old 19th Apr 2013, 04:51
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Originally Posted by Captain Sand Dune
This policy is applicable to all RAAF pilots. The fast jet world is hurting for numbers. The non-FJ units are over-stocked with pilots. The reasons why are another argument altogether.
It's basically supply and demand. It's their train set, so they recruit and man as they see fit. Personally I reckon there's better ways to go about it, but apparently the opinion of a 28+ years pilot doesn't count for much.

I guess one way around it is to say you want to go FJ, fail the course and get posted to where you want to go anyway!. One word of advice though, don't tell them you want to fly "bizjets" (I assume you mean VIP). The RAAF wants combat aviators, not airline pilots.
Thanks for the clarification CSD, that's helpful. I am personally aiming for fast jets, but I was curious about the other roles and I know it would be relevant for others on here so I asked the question. I guess it's just another hurdle in a string of many to jump over... if that's what it takes then bring it on
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Old 19th Apr 2013, 12:16
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We can't all be super-fit racing ferrets such as yourself mate!
I mentioned the lettuce leaf for illustrative purposes only - the only time it'd grace my plate would be in the middle of a big greasy hamburger!
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Old 21st Apr 2013, 11:27
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Captain Sand Dune.

Can you help.

So if I want to fly C17's I should say i want to fly fast jet when I do the officer selection board
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Old 22nd Apr 2013, 09:33
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My previous remark about deliberately failing a FJ conversion was tongue in cheek. Honesty is the best policy. Nothing wrong about wanting to fly a C17. It sees more combat than our fighters do! (dons helmet, dives into trench and awaits incoming )
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Old 22nd Apr 2013, 14:18
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Mostlysedated,

Tell them what you want to fly, and be able to justify it.

For example, 'I want to fly C17 so I can takeoff, have a coffee, watch a computer, then wait 5 hours before I get to turn the computer off and fly again'

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Old 23rd Apr 2013, 09:31
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Ohhh CSD

what a short memory you have. It was only a very recent event when the fighter fraternity were involved in air to air combat. A mere 60 to 61 years ago?


BBC

Yeah but at least its 5 hours going somewhere, doing what the aircraft is designed for and being able to take a leak beats the piddle pack
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Old 24th Apr 2013, 05:05
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hey guys, I am just after a few peoples opinion in terms of when i should start my application process.
Due to a few personal reasons over the past couple of months ive put on roughly 20kg. I am currently 102kg and my weight before was around 78-80kg. I was just wondering if i should wait until I am back down to my old weight before I apply or if it would be somewhat beneficial to start the process now so the DFR can see my commitment to my weight loss? I was originally leaning towards waiting it out but after reading through this thread it seems like proven commitment is a big thing in the eyes of the OSB, so if they can see my commitment to my health will this be seen as a good thing or as a bad thing for letting myself get into bad shape as it is.
Also another question I was involved in a quite violent armed robbery (gunpoint) which caused me to have roughly two months off work as the doctors and psychologists pumped me full of drugs and tried to see if I was developing PTSD. I am now 100% better and truly believe the experience has prepared me to how life may turn out in the ADF if I end up in a warzone. I am worried that they will just throw my application out the window because of this incident. My medical record will say I suffered from anxiety due to the incident but that only lasted for a few weeks after and I now have no problems with anxiety. Can anyone who has heard of a similar situation put my mind to rest?
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Old 29th Apr 2013, 22:53
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Joe.

Given the "Very senior RAN officer" thread you may well be in for an interesting time.

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Old 30th Apr 2013, 07:35
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My medical record will say I suffered from anxiety due to the incident but that only lasted for a few weeks after and I now have no problems with anxiety. Can anyone who has heard of a similar situation put my mind to rest?
Sounds like you're suffering from anxiety? (Tongue in cheek, mate.)
Ok, re your weight. You need to lose weight for your own health, not to impress the board and convince them that you are committed/motivated.
Unlike many of my (occasionally drunk) mates, I don't believe that Defence Force Recruiting subscribe to the philosophy of "fatties need lovin' too"...
Walk in the door the first time in the right frame of mind, and in good health, and you'll stand a better chance. Re your medical record - I'm pretty sure they only know about what you tell them - your integrity would ensure you answered their questions honestly, but I'm pretty sure they don't get your medical records.

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Old 1st May 2013, 10:43
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Thanks for the replies.
I am losing weight for myself not for the board I just don't want to be thrown in the unmotivated pile if I show up to DFR overweight. Ive started my training regime now and have since lost 3kgs so all is going well on that path.
I read earlier in this thread about getting kicked off flight school (if i make it that far) if they found out you don't fully disclose your medical history. I was just thinking of getting reports off of my doctor and psychologist stating that I no longer suffer from anxiety before I have my YOU session just to make sure.
Ive set a goal to have my YOU session before July where I am aiming for my weight to be back down to around 80kg so in the meantime I will be working my ass off in the gym and studying up on everything I have learnt from this great thread.
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Old 2nd May 2013, 01:30
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Originally Posted by joeboxhead
Thanks for the replies.
I am losing weight for myself not for the board I just don't want to be thrown in the unmotivated pile if I show up to DFR overweight. Ive started my training regime now and have since lost 3kgs so all is going well on that path.
I read earlier in this thread about getting kicked off flight school (if i make it that far) if they found out you don't fully disclose your medical history. I was just thinking of getting reports off of my doctor and psychologist stating that I no longer suffer from anxiety before I have my YOU session just to make sure.
Ive set a goal to have my YOU session before July where I am aiming for my weight to be back down to around 80kg so in the meantime I will be working my ass off in the gym and studying up on everything I have learnt from this great thread.
Hey joe,

When I had my medical interview (at assessment day) the doctor was curious about why I had submitted asthma challenge test results so early and he said it had raised a few flags/made it a case of interest and asked why I had done so... I guess they were suspicious that my pre-empting the process without being directed to meant I had something to hide. It was easily explained and it made the process faster, but it might be something to consider if you're thinking about going in day 1 with your medical certificates in hand.

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