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BikerMark, the famous FS1E, so popular during the early 80's cos they weren't restricted to 30 like my MT5. As for a 500 pounder, an old mate of mine was pretty hefty and the FS carried him ok so there's a chance.....the MT wouldn't carry a ruddy quarter pounder!
Is there any way that the recalcitrant scotsman can be press-ganged in some manner and end up somewhere hot and dusty, surrounded by those who have Grandma Batty yorkshire puddings on their heads waving the wrong end of an AK47 at him.....lets call in a GR9...oops, sorry...too much noise for you sir.......
Is there any way that the recalcitrant scotsman can be press-ganged in some manner and end up somewhere hot and dusty, surrounded by those who have Grandma Batty yorkshire puddings on their heads waving the wrong end of an AK47 at him.....lets call in a GR9...oops, sorry...too much noise for you sir.......
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Come on guy"s loosen up! when did you ever believe a politician anyway??? would be difficult to target practice on my house as they would end up in the side of Balmullo hill!!!!
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Wrong once again
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Besides, I wouldn't mind those free prescriptions
If you can't get the basic facts of your argument right do us all a favour and bone up!! (or shut up your choice) as this is repetition of falsehoods is becoming irritating as is the presumption that we are Welsh (Hint They Do!)
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Besides, I wouldn't mind those free prescriptions
If you can't get the basic facts of your argument right do us all a favour and bone up!! (or shut up your choice) as this is repetition of falsehoods is becoming irritating as is the presumption that we are Welsh (Hint They Do!)
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If it were true that MOD were using civvies as mock target practise, then it would make an interesting court battle if an armed civvy (say a farmer, or offshore yachtsman) were to shoot back in self defence...
On my first sqn low level sortie on the Vulcan, we flew a route over France at 300 ft. As we coasted out, there was a rowing boat ahead just off to the left of our track. The occupant was waving enthusiastically*, so obviously we did the decent thing and 'went and said hello' as we used to describe it!
*or perhaps he was simply trying to surrender?
*or perhaps he was simply trying to surrender?
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If it were true that MOD were using civvies as mock target practise, then it would make an interesting court battle if an armed civvy (say a farmer, or offshore yachtsman) were to shoot back in self defence...
Open and shut case. Take him down.
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Typical Anti-Scots Rant
For God's sake, this guy is a politician, he'll say anything that he thinks will get him re-elected, but its bloody typical for some of the idiots on this forum (ie airborne artist) to use a flippant article with little credence as an excuse to mount an anti-Scottish attack. All that usual crap about "if they don't like us then we'll take our armed forces home"... do be brief, bases in Scotland are mutually beneficial to both parties (engagement strategy/recruitment etc), and unless you actually can influence the decision to "pull out of Scotland" then shut the xxxx up. We're the British Military remember not the English one.
Er....
Have a look at Airborne Artist's posts on this thread.
Then have a look at Airborne Aircrew's contributions. Unless our artistic chum's comparison of Sarwar's views with Mr Beardy Folkist MSP's views is anti-Scottish, I think you might owe Airborne Artist an apology for calling him an idiot...
some of the idiots on this forum (ie airborne artist) to use a flippant article with little credence as an excuse to mount an anti-Scottish attack.
Then have a look at Airborne Aircrew's contributions. Unless our artistic chum's comparison of Sarwar's views with Mr Beardy Folkist MSP's views is anti-Scottish, I think you might owe Airborne Artist an apology for calling him an idiot...
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There was nothing flippant about that article, the said "gentleman" was on BBC TV tonight and is typical of the idiotic SNP - no RAF low level flying, no nuclear submarines on the Clyde, no nuclear powerstations etc. They make Albania look like a right wing republic (and if they ever get independence for Scotland will bring Scotland down to the level of countries like Albania.) I despair for my country
There was nothing flippant about that article, the said "gentleman" was on BBC TV tonight and is typical of the idiotic SNP - no RAF low level flying, no nuclear submarines on the Clyde, no nuclear powerstations etc. They make Albania look like a right wing republic (and if they ever get independence for Scotland will bring Scotland down to the level of countries like Albania.) I despair for my country
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Fine. I've said it on here before, and I'll say it again. If the SNP want a referendum on independence, get it, win it, then the rest of the UK will remove its defences from Scottish land and shores. Then we'll see what the local people think about the Scottish MPs who ripped the economic and societal heart out of of their communities.
It's short-sighted twaddle.
It's short-sighted twaddle.
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Now, how do we apply for practice-target status again?
Seriously though, and heaven forbid we should ever have a war here, wouldn't these NIMBYs most likely be the ones to complain if anything happened because of a lack of the skills mentioned? Where on earth are you supposed to train? If you can find my tin tent you are welcome to target it for practice, but NOT use it for live weapons training.
The SNP make alot of noise but I really dont think that they represent the majority. Let them have a referendum, I'm pretty confident that they would lose it. Yet again though the anti scottish brigade on here are quick to chastise us all when most of us are perfectly happy and proud to be both Scottish and British. As a UK high rate tax payer I contribute to the UK's armed forces, why should we not be entitled to keep some if god forbid the SNP did get independance?
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I am firstly Scottish, then British and proud of it. I have family in England and often visit. What annoys me is that the anti scottish sentiment shown here greatly dishonours the massive contribution made by the scottish regiments and serving aircrew and sailors. Our regiments have for centuries fought hard and we have demanded and earned the respect of our British neighbours. I cannot help it if some baffoon from the SNP speaks a load of bull but do not tar us all with same brush. We have bled hard for Britain.
"... it's questionable whether all this low flying needs to take place ..."
BBC NEWS | Scotland | Highlands and Islands | Scotland 'ideal' for low-flying
BBC NEWS | Scotland | Highlands and Islands | Scotland 'ideal' for low-flying
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I am firstly Scottish, then British and proud of it. I have family in England and often visit. What annoys me is that the anti scottish sentiment shown here greatly dishonours the massive contribution made by the scottish regiments and serving aircrew and sailors. Our regiments have for centuries fought hard and we have demanded and earned the respect of our British neighbours. I cannot help it if some baffoon from the SNP speaks a load of bull but do not tar us all with same brush. We have bled hard for Britain.
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I wouldn't worry too much about the opinions of Rob Gibson. All parties have rent-a-gobs and the SNP is especially blessed.
Putting aside the fact that defence is a reserved issue - which makes his opinion on this matter entirely irrelevent - and putting aside, too, your annoyance at the ingratitude of his complaint and your frustration at the apparent ignorance of an elected member of the Scottish parliament at a time when British servicemen and women are giving their lives, and take a moment to consider the SNP's record in government to date.
Pretty much every manifesto promise has so far fallen flat on its face.
Reduce class sizes? Can't afford it.
Local income tax? It'll cost more than council tax, say local authorities
Abolish student loans? Er, no, not exactly.
PFI? Local authority bonds, anyone..? Thought not.
Norwegian-style oil fund for Scotland? Not until Scotland becomes Norway.
I could go on but it has been a long day.
Now, before I'm accused of being a Labour/Tory/Lib Dem stooge, let me add that the opposition has been spectacularly feeble and it is my duty to torment them all.
So do not fear Rob Gibson, gentle military aviators, but carry on overflying his home happy in the knowledge that although his views mean doodly-squat, you are defending his right to have them.
Putting aside the fact that defence is a reserved issue - which makes his opinion on this matter entirely irrelevent - and putting aside, too, your annoyance at the ingratitude of his complaint and your frustration at the apparent ignorance of an elected member of the Scottish parliament at a time when British servicemen and women are giving their lives, and take a moment to consider the SNP's record in government to date.
Pretty much every manifesto promise has so far fallen flat on its face.
Reduce class sizes? Can't afford it.
Local income tax? It'll cost more than council tax, say local authorities
Abolish student loans? Er, no, not exactly.
PFI? Local authority bonds, anyone..? Thought not.
Norwegian-style oil fund for Scotland? Not until Scotland becomes Norway.
I could go on but it has been a long day.
Now, before I'm accused of being a Labour/Tory/Lib Dem stooge, let me add that the opposition has been spectacularly feeble and it is my duty to torment them all.
So do not fear Rob Gibson, gentle military aviators, but carry on overflying his home happy in the knowledge that although his views mean doodly-squat, you are defending his right to have them.
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Alleged incident
"Or with F15Es dropping 500lbs bombs on Holme on Spalding Moor "
Oh for Christ sake, it was only a BDU-33 and the offending aircrew were properly chastised and made to buy beer. Besides, in his column the following Sunday, Jeremy Clarkson said it was ok since he dropped a bomb on the U.S. during his F-15E flight (although I was sitting a few feet in front of him and can't quite recall anything falling off the jet, except him, trying to climb down the ladder while holding his puke bag once it was all over). Way back when I was flying Hogs, while waiting to bootleg the east coast and the Wash ranges, if you were moving, you were a target. One guy in the Sqdn was accused of killing a horse once from the "noise" of an A-10 low flying. The victim was described as an expensive purebred but was most likely on the way to the glue factory when the grieving owner saw an opportunity to get some cash from Uncle Sam. God I miss low flying in the UK.
Oh for Christ sake, it was only a BDU-33 and the offending aircrew were properly chastised and made to buy beer. Besides, in his column the following Sunday, Jeremy Clarkson said it was ok since he dropped a bomb on the U.S. during his F-15E flight (although I was sitting a few feet in front of him and can't quite recall anything falling off the jet, except him, trying to climb down the ladder while holding his puke bag once it was all over). Way back when I was flying Hogs, while waiting to bootleg the east coast and the Wash ranges, if you were moving, you were a target. One guy in the Sqdn was accused of killing a horse once from the "noise" of an A-10 low flying. The victim was described as an expensive purebred but was most likely on the way to the glue factory when the grieving owner saw an opportunity to get some cash from Uncle Sam. God I miss low flying in the UK.
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The only danger low flying has posed to me has been whilst driving. I fondly remember bouncing in and out of ditches on the roads around Leuchars, craning my next out of the sunroof scanning for the Tornadoes in the circuit.
And the Phantom / Tornado dogfight I witnessed as a teenager above Portree was a joy to behold.
In fact, I'd gladly offer to take some of the Valley traffic and move it up north...but then the Welsh economy would suffer.
Keep em hot and low!
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And the Phantom / Tornado dogfight I witnessed as a teenager above Portree was a joy to behold.
In fact, I'd gladly offer to take some of the Valley traffic and move it up north...but then the Welsh economy would suffer.
Keep em hot and low!
Best,
Sicknote