UCL Bans Military Recruitment
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Sorry to be late on the thread but as a member of the Forces and an Alumni of UCL, I'm ashamed and have written to the Union and the Head of the College to complain. It won't do any good mind you, but it makes me feel better!
Bloody students, no respect etc etc....
Bloody students, no respect etc etc....
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Cheeks rides again! Long time no see.
I seem to remember Bradford not allowing UAS's to recruit from there. Not a great loss, frankly. Suprisingly few interested parties...and in a place where caucasians are the ethnic minority, I can't say i've ever felt much more uncomfortable in a uniform...
I seem to remember Bradford not allowing UAS's to recruit from there. Not a great loss, frankly. Suprisingly few interested parties...and in a place where caucasians are the ethnic minority, I can't say i've ever felt much more uncomfortable in a uniform...
A little off thread.
Don't underestimate the impact these idiots are having.
I have just resigned as a school Governor, after 5 years, because of stupidity like this.
At our last meeting the Head Teacher proposed that we sanction some sponsorship money for a 10 year old pupil who had just reached the UK National Finals of athletics. This was following a request from his parents who thought the school backing would add to his morale and determination.
There followed a 30 minute heated debate.
Those who did not want to sponsor him?
His PE teacher (
) because, I quote ' He is Middle Class and therefore undeserving'. Asked to explain he then said 'I have seen his dads car, there's tons of money there, we should not touch him'.
Who backed him up? The Local Education Authority Rep. Her reason? 'He is not disabled therefore it is unfair to those that are'.
The third member who complained? Another retired teacher who stated 'This is sport, that means winners and losers, that is not fair, I will not support this boy'.
There you have it. Those who say they want equality for all actually wanted to punish a small boy because of his fathers percieved wealth. I threw all my toys out of the cot, along with 2 others. We got the sponsorship but only after we were forced to agree to have it put in the minutes that any further sponsorship would be for disabled/disadvantaged kids involved in non sporting activities.
The great British education system. That is where a lot of these stupid lefties end up.
Don't underestimate the impact these idiots are having.
I have just resigned as a school Governor, after 5 years, because of stupidity like this.
At our last meeting the Head Teacher proposed that we sanction some sponsorship money for a 10 year old pupil who had just reached the UK National Finals of athletics. This was following a request from his parents who thought the school backing would add to his morale and determination.
There followed a 30 minute heated debate.
Those who did not want to sponsor him?
His PE teacher (
) because, I quote ' He is Middle Class and therefore undeserving'. Asked to explain he then said 'I have seen his dads car, there's tons of money there, we should not touch him'.Who backed him up? The Local Education Authority Rep. Her reason? 'He is not disabled therefore it is unfair to those that are'.
The third member who complained? Another retired teacher who stated 'This is sport, that means winners and losers, that is not fair, I will not support this boy'.
There you have it. Those who say they want equality for all actually wanted to punish a small boy because of his fathers percieved wealth. I threw all my toys out of the cot, along with 2 others. We got the sponsorship but only after we were forced to agree to have it put in the minutes that any further sponsorship would be for disabled/disadvantaged kids involved in non sporting activities.
The great British education system. That is where a lot of these stupid lefties end up.
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A truly depressing story
what was the response of the oxygen thieves at the meeting when you 'escalated'? Do the lefties know why you resigned? If so what have they said?
A truly depressing story
what was the response of the oxygen thieves at the meeting when you 'escalated'? Do the lefties know why you resigned? If so what have they said?
When confronted they folded like cards. The LEA Rep was horrified to be confronted. She is obviously used to working in a PC World at County Hall where her biased views are the norm. She retreated with a very red face. The PE teacher was not so much bothered by me but more bothered by the glares he was getting from the Head. His final retort was that he was looking out for the disadvantaged (as if we are not!). As to the other retired teacher, she just glared and refused to comment any further.
As to my resignation. I am still awaiting a reply from the Chair but do not think anything will come of it. When it comes to the world of state education, you do not rock the boat, you go with the flow.
I am still on the Board at the local High School where, sadly, similar things happen but it is not so bad.
Here are a few other tasters for you:
No such thing as a badly behaved pupil, they are now officially classified as 'vulnerable'.
Any move to reduce class sizes to below 30 will lead to an automatic cut in the school budget.
Any child removed permanently from a school due to bad behaviour etc is 'entitled' to an education. Therefore, the school that expels them has to provide alternative education at its own expense. So here, in a rural part of the world, the school would have to provide a taxi to and from the other school, every day, and pay for it themselves. This has to be done no more than 6 days after the expulsion.
I could go on but it is too depressing (and not exactly Mil Air!!!).
The current system is broken and littered with extreme Left Wing PC gurus who are actively encouraged, indeed directed, by the Government.
As to my resignation. I am still awaiting a reply from the Chair but do not think anything will come of it. When it comes to the world of state education, you do not rock the boat, you go with the flow.
I am still on the Board at the local High School where, sadly, similar things happen but it is not so bad.
Here are a few other tasters for you:
No such thing as a badly behaved pupil, they are now officially classified as 'vulnerable'.
Any move to reduce class sizes to below 30 will lead to an automatic cut in the school budget.
Any child removed permanently from a school due to bad behaviour etc is 'entitled' to an education. Therefore, the school that expels them has to provide alternative education at its own expense. So here, in a rural part of the world, the school would have to provide a taxi to and from the other school, every day, and pay for it themselves. This has to be done no more than 6 days after the expulsion.
I could go on but it is too depressing (and not exactly Mil Air!!!).
The current system is broken and littered with extreme Left Wing PC gurus who are actively encouraged, indeed directed, by the Government.
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Lest we conclude that all today's students are self-indulgent muppets, just been contacted by a union chap from Royal Holloway who tells me the London colleges as a whole had, only the night before this UCL shi1te, passed a motion expressing their support / appreciation for work of UK armed forces, and insisting many of them are disgusted with UCL. Perhaps there's hope for the nation yet.
Further to Scribbler's comments, it's also worth noting that in just 4 days the facebook group set up in protest to the news has grown to over 3,200 members: http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=8295444126
And it's not the only group there, either.
The thread at TheStudentRoom, mentioned previously, keeps growing as well.
[For the record, I'm a student, I don't think I need say on which side of this argument I fall, being in the UAS also...]
And it's not the only group there, either.
The thread at TheStudentRoom, mentioned previously, keeps growing as well.
[For the record, I'm a student, I don't think I need say on which side of this argument I fall, being in the UAS also...]
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Weren't Blair, Brown, Straw, Hain and other members of our current "leadership" all tree-hugging CND-badge-wearing anarchists at one time? How things changed once they realised that there was a big wide trough out there into which they could bury their snouts.
Never fear, this current lot of "intellectuals" will follow the same path.
Never fear, this current lot of "intellectuals" will follow the same path.
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I'm not a student, merely a cynic.
Headlines such as 'Lefties ban the forces' are bound to get people's wick up. The very press that people slag off as being left wing carries the antics of these idiots because the press is largely right wing.
Scribbler and muppett rightly point out that all students are by no means like this lot. But where are the headlines highlighting their support for the forces?
You won't find them because it doesn't conform to the standard right wing view of students as portrayed by papers like the Torygraph, Mail, Sun etc.
Headlines such as 'Lefties ban the forces' are bound to get people's wick up. The very press that people slag off as being left wing carries the antics of these idiots because the press is largely right wing.
Scribbler and muppett rightly point out that all students are by no means like this lot. But where are the headlines highlighting their support for the forces?
You won't find them because it doesn't conform to the standard right wing view of students as portrayed by papers like the Torygraph, Mail, Sun etc.
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TANTALLON,
Perhaps the examples you give, say less about those on the left-wing, and more about those who later reveal themselves to be on the right of centre?
All this gnashing of teeth over what is really a storm in a teacup, is very typical PPRUNE. All kinds of weird and whacky motions get put forward and agreed in the petty world of student politics, which isn't really any different from politics in general. Get over it. There are more important issues in the world today and I'm sure the UAS and the services in general are both big enough to weather such opposition.
Perhaps the examples you give, say less about those on the left-wing, and more about those who later reveal themselves to be on the right of centre?
All this gnashing of teeth over what is really a storm in a teacup, is very typical PPRUNE. All kinds of weird and whacky motions get put forward and agreed in the petty world of student politics, which isn't really any different from politics in general. Get over it. There are more important issues in the world today and I'm sure the UAS and the services in general are both big enough to weather such opposition.
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Climbing on soapbox.........
Ready??
I say we make university free, but a condition of entrance is say about two years in one of the forces, if they felt unable in all good concience to fight then we could make them medics.........or (rum, sodomy and the lash) matelots
after the 2 year point we offer them a wage to stay in or if they'd rather go off and play at education then the 2 years of service will have paid for it.
Think of how much better behaved they'd be and we would probably get a large uptake as they realised that despite all the ****e we've been through/going through/about to go through (delete as appropriate) the services are still a good laugh with fantastic mates and real skills relevant to the real world.
Those that went on to engineering would have a real grounding in what was needed and what the kit had to put up with.........
Vote for me..........
Oh and Tigs 2, calling me a brownnoser really does a disservice to the spineless career monkeys in whitehall, I feel they might get offended that you think an erk like me is up to the same grade as themselves. Made I larf though.
Respect to the liney is due, coz he serviced your jet/cab/big shiny target etc and if you buy him the odd beer when on det he functions an awful lot better.
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Ready??
I say we make university free, but a condition of entrance is say about two years in one of the forces, if they felt unable in all good concience to fight then we could make them medics.........or (rum, sodomy and the lash) matelots
after the 2 year point we offer them a wage to stay in or if they'd rather go off and play at education then the 2 years of service will have paid for it.
Think of how much better behaved they'd be and we would probably get a large uptake as they realised that despite all the ****e we've been through/going through/about to go through (delete as appropriate) the services are still a good laugh with fantastic mates and real skills relevant to the real world.
Those that went on to engineering would have a real grounding in what was needed and what the kit had to put up with.........
Vote for me..........
Oh and Tigs 2, calling me a brownnoser really does a disservice to the spineless career monkeys in whitehall, I feel they might get offended that you think an erk like me is up to the same grade as themselves. Made I larf though.
Respect to the liney is due, coz he serviced your jet/cab/big shiny target etc and if you buy him the odd beer when on det he functions an awful lot better.
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In my opinion the sort of people who tie up SU mtgs with this sort of motion take student politics, and, by extension, themselves, far too seriously. It would be better all round if this storm had stayed in its teacup and got voted down when the seemingly apathetic majority realised the nonsense was going on, rather than the national press stroking the egos of those involved.
You can't imagine Mad Cap'n Tom going in for this sort of thing...
You can't imagine Mad Cap'n Tom going in for this sort of thing...
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What a bunch of pinko-leftie, sandal-wearing, tofu-eating ws.
Proposer:
Sham Rajyaguru SSEES
Seconders:
Edward Hood History
Rachel Page SSEES
Tom Elliot SSEES
Arabel Luscombe SSEES
Alex Jordan History
Sara Hall Hebrew & Jewish St.
Craig Griffiths German
Simon Bull Philosophy
Maggie Gray History of Art
Michael Barnett SSEES
Shame on you all. I hope you never need to depend on any of HM Forces personnel for your very existance, for I fear they will leave you to your fate.
s.Proposer:
Sham Rajyaguru SSEES
Seconders:
Edward Hood History
Rachel Page SSEES
Tom Elliot SSEES
Arabel Luscombe SSEES
Alex Jordan History
Sara Hall Hebrew & Jewish St.
Craig Griffiths German
Simon Bull Philosophy
Maggie Gray History of Art
Michael Barnett SSEES
Shame on you all. I hope you never need to depend on any of HM Forces personnel for your very existance, for I fear they will leave you to your fate.
My bold above.
No they wont, and thats what sets forces personnel apart from their civilian couterparts. We have a sense of duty and loyalty that none of the above could ever hope to attain. Lets hope they do come to depend on us, perhaps it would open their eyes a little.
Ive just realised that I've written the above as if Im still serving, not someone who left in the late 1990s, I suppose it never leaves you
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UAS Recruiting
Back in the 90's I was a QFI on Yorkshire UAS and was envolved in recruiting at the Freshers Fair at Sheffield Poly - I think they call it something grand like Uni of Hallam now, but it still looks like a Poly! Anyway, the right-on SU President refused to let us set up our stall unless we hung a big banner behind us which she had prepared specially for us earlier. It said "This Organisation is not an equal opportunies employer!!" due to the military stance on homosexuals at the time.
By the end of the afternoon the Rugby Club, the Hockey club, the Football club (male and female!), the Fencing society, sub-aqua club and the Chess Club (!!!??) had all come over to ask where we got the banner and 'could they have one?'. we sent them all off to ask the SU President who got decidedly grumpy and almost burned her kaftan in discust!!
How we laughed!
By the end of the afternoon the Rugby Club, the Hockey club, the Football club (male and female!), the Fencing society, sub-aqua club and the Chess Club (!!!??) had all come over to ask where we got the banner and 'could they have one?'. we sent them all off to ask the SU President who got decidedly grumpy and almost burned her kaftan in discust!!
How we laughed!
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Fine, lets disband the armed forces and the police ( who suffer much the same treatment as the armed forces regarding pay and conditions in exchange for the largley superb service they provide) and see how long it takes before the country is under seige by various terrorist groups, and see how long it takes for the government ( not worthy of the name), the idiotic, immature, ill-educated students who proposed this policy, and the general populous to realize that they do in fact quite like having people willing to sacrafice anything from thier time to thier lives to watch over them, and who indeed through the ages have protected thier very right to exercise thier ill-chosen right of free speech...
National Service dosn't sound like such a bad idea at times like this
.. And I'm only 27.
National Service dosn't sound like such a bad idea at times like this
.. And I'm only 27.
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cor blimey!, that was a different thread, a different day and nothing to do with this. If i disagree with something you have said, I am not one to continue it, hold on to it, or carry it on to another thread.
cor blimey!, that was a different thread, a different day and nothing to do with this. If i disagree with something you have said, I am not one to continue it, hold on to it, or carry it on to another thread.
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This sort of thing has happened for many years. Having experienced it myself we got round it by being invited by the University itself, rather than the Union. The seniors of the University were very supportive. The stands (URNU, OTC and UAS) were set up just round the corner from the Union but not actually inside it, allowing freedom of choice for students without pandering to student politics.
The local UAS subsequently caused a bit of trouble by going to the LGB stand(Lesbian, Gay and Bi not its mil air meaning) and asking to book some lesbians for a party!
The local UAS subsequently caused a bit of trouble by going to the LGB stand(Lesbian, Gay and Bi not its mil air meaning) and asking to book some lesbians for a party!