Naughty Puma boys
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Naughty Puma boys
Thread over on the Rotary forum at the moment of an extraordinary near disaster of a Puma possibly in Belize.
Literally inches from perhaps killing many people onboard and on the ground. Also inches from the blokes head...
Thread here:- http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=313240
Direct video link:-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_ils1Qmd5k
Literally inches from perhaps killing many people onboard and on the ground. Also inches from the blokes head...
Thread here:- http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=313240
Direct video link:-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_ils1Qmd5k
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French or RAF?
In the hope of averting a witch hunt at Aldergrove/Benson are we sure its RAF?
It looks to me like a French cab, the nose and lack of RWR under the boom suggests it is, as do the rediculously tight shorts that the groundcrew are wearing. Looks like the sort of stuff the French were wearing at PDC whilst we were in our combat pyjamas.
It looks to me like a French cab, the nose and lack of RWR under the boom suggests it is, as do the rediculously tight shorts that the groundcrew are wearing. Looks like the sort of stuff the French were wearing at PDC whilst we were in our combat pyjamas.
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Here's a longer video. Says they are definitely French:
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=858_1202863592
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http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=858_1202863592
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It doesn't surprise me it is French now to be honest. You only have to look at the previous footage we have seen of their Puma flying, Mirage flying and C-135F flying in Chad at unbelievable low levels.
Why keep doing it for the camera? One day they will clip a hedge or tree.
Why keep doing it for the camera? One day they will clip a hedge or tree.
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A question for those who disaprove of their flying.
What is the French accident rate per hour at low level compared to the UK?
Does anybody know?
Is there record of any accidents due to extreme low flying?
If theirs is lower, perhaps it is because they let their pilots play harder thus giving them greater skill levels. Perhaps they gain from their familiarity with v.low flight at high speed.
We tend to mock the US military rotary level of GH training because we explore the envelope more than they do. Perhaps the French correctly mock us?
What is the French accident rate per hour at low level compared to the UK?
Does anybody know?
Is there record of any accidents due to extreme low flying?
If theirs is lower, perhaps it is because they let their pilots play harder thus giving them greater skill levels. Perhaps they gain from their familiarity with v.low flight at high speed.
We tend to mock the US military rotary level of GH training because we explore the envelope more than they do. Perhaps the French correctly mock us?
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Aside from lack of defensive aids, there is no FM aerial in the normal place and whilst a Cougar aerial would be difficult to see, the RAF Puma does not have the spade aerial towards the lower rear tailboom. The marking (white) front left lower is the same as used by ALAT. In short, it is definately French.
The Puma boys do not need rumours such as this at the moment.
An RAF one to compare
It also has weather radar on the front if you look for it, which the RAF do not have.
The Puma boys do not need rumours such as this at the moment.
An RAF one to compare
It also has weather radar on the front if you look for it, which the RAF do not have.
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Look at the helo height and apparent speed, and figure out (A) what fraction of a second it will take to fly into the ground if something you don't expect occurs - eg a birdstrike. How does this time compare to (B) 'reaction time', ie how long before the pilot can react to the sudden problem and transition into a safe flight path without hitting the ground enroute.
If (A) is greater than (B) then the pilot is a knob, unless doing it for valid operational reasons that take priority over flight safety (and common sense, and the degree of regard a pilot ought to have for the other lives on board while he's getting his rocks off pretending to be Tom bloody Cruise).
If (B) is greater than (A) then what excellent piloting, unfortunately timid creature that I am I think I'll go Sleazy Jet.
Oh, and any egomaniacal tw4t flying a helo at that height towards me on the A96 gets a wheel wrench thrown into his rotor disc as he zips by...I'm surprised the Chad truckers don't carry Strelas....
Other opinions may apply, of course, although I think you'll find mine is the correct one when all is considered, as my wife assures me that 'oh yes, you're always right of course'.
(Oddly, her tone sometimes suggests she holds a different opinion)
If (A) is greater than (B) then the pilot is a knob, unless doing it for valid operational reasons that take priority over flight safety (and common sense, and the degree of regard a pilot ought to have for the other lives on board while he's getting his rocks off pretending to be Tom bloody Cruise).
If (B) is greater than (A) then what excellent piloting, unfortunately timid creature that I am I think I'll go Sleazy Jet.
Oh, and any egomaniacal tw4t flying a helo at that height towards me on the A96 gets a wheel wrench thrown into his rotor disc as he zips by...I'm surprised the Chad truckers don't carry Strelas....
Other opinions may apply, of course, although I think you'll find mine is the correct one when all is considered, as my wife assures me that 'oh yes, you're always right of course'.
(Oddly, her tone sometimes suggests she holds a different opinion)
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The title of this thread is a little upsetting to me. 'Naughty Puma Boys', and then you go on to say
So how the F**k ( i was going to say ****!) did you come up with 'possibly in Belize'??
(i.e RAF Pumas)
Is that because of the fact there is grass and trees. You are a complete and utter w****r, just like the pilot in the shot. What is the cam scheme of the soldiers?, what is the cam scheme of the vehicles they are using? Is it Brit soldiers in Belize circa 1992 when the pumas left? NO! I am ex pumas and your post and the diatribe on the rotary thread is crap. It is like getting a shot of some F16 low flying in nevada and saying 'Naughty F16 pilots' and posting it on a Belgique web site and saying 'looks like the beech off koksji!'
Do the decent thing and wipe the thread. Feel free to restart it as 'Unkown airforce low flying Puma - any clues' Nice vid, crap research.
The title of this thread is a little upsetting to me. 'Naughty Puma Boys', and then you go on to say
possibly in Belize
(i.e RAF Pumas)Is that because of the fact there is grass and trees. You are a complete and utter w****r, just like the pilot in the shot. What is the cam scheme of the soldiers?, what is the cam scheme of the vehicles they are using? Is it Brit soldiers in Belize circa 1992 when the pumas left? NO! I am ex pumas and your post and the diatribe on the rotary thread is crap. It is like getting a shot of some F16 low flying in nevada and saying 'Naughty F16 pilots' and posting it on a Belgique web site and saying 'looks like the beech off koksji!'
Do the decent thing and wipe the thread. Feel free to restart it as 'Unkown airforce low flying Puma - any clues' Nice vid, crap research.
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No, i was actually stating what was said on the Rotary forum of this site which is where i got the video from and the link to the thread (if you read it) in question.
Possibly in Belize states that it was possibly in Belize, not was in Belize and not 'was' RAF.
It is still a Puma or Cougar or whatever you want to call the same aircraft and so the thread title is apt.
A discussion on here has come up trumps more than what was on the Rotary forum as to what force it was from
Thanks for the insults... typical coming from you. W**ker
Possibly in Belize states that it was possibly in Belize, not was in Belize and not 'was' RAF.
It is still a
Puma or Cougar or whatever you want to call the same aircraft and so the thread title is apt.A discussion on here has come up trumps more than what was on the Rotary forum as to what force it was from
Thanks for the insults... typical coming from you. W**ker
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You put this on the Mil forum. What is your involvement with aviation please? You are already saying ' a Puma or Cougar whatever you want to call the same aircraft', (incidentally they are not the same aircraft!). Please elaborate and I will gladly withdraw my comments.
I take it from the first page on rotor heads you take the belize comment from a 2 times poster 'Barry Scott' who claims to be a toilet cleaner!!?
Oh and sorry, I am calling you a w****r for a reason, and yours is?
You put this on the Mil forum. What is your involvement with aviation please? You are already saying ' a Puma or Cougar whatever you want to call the same aircraft', (incidentally they are not the same aircraft!). Please elaborate and I will gladly withdraw my comments.
I take it from the first page on rotor heads you take the belize comment from a 2 times poster 'Barry Scott' who claims to be a toilet cleaner!!?
Oh and sorry, I am calling you a w****r for a reason, and yours is?
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I have already stated numerous times on this forum i am not in the Military or Aviation related like many others on this forum.
So you can crack on with your comments and insults.
If you wish the title to be changed, i'll change it (if i can) to a more appropiate title of your choice.
So you can crack on with your comments and insults.
If you wish the title to be changed, i'll change it (if i can) to a more appropiate title of your choice.
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please read my edits above and answer. In future as you are not an aviator and clearly do not have a knowledge of Puma or indeed Cougar ops, or Brit or French cam, DO NOT insinuate that me or my colleuges or the current guys and girls flying this aircraft types in the RAF are 'Naughty' when you clearly have no idea. Pumas of the RAF last few in Belize in 1992 (thats 16 years ago), digital camera shots????No Bye the way pass it on to the other tossers on the rotary thread.
Just as a matter of course, I was taught to fly at appropriate speed down to 5 mtrs (appropriate being the key term)
please read my edits above and answer. In future as you are not an aviator and clearly do not have a knowledge of Puma or indeed Cougar ops, or Brit or French cam, DO NOT insinuate that me or my colleuges or the current guys and girls flying this aircraft types in the RAF are 'Naughty' when you clearly have no idea. Pumas of the RAF last few in Belize in 1992 (thats 16 years ago), digital camera shots????No
Bye the way pass it on to the other tossers on the rotary thread.Just as a matter of course, I was taught to fly at appropriate speed down to 5 mtrs (appropriate being the key term)
