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Scottish Air Force
While chatting in the office the other day the subject of Scottish independance came up and we were wondering what resources the Scottish Air Force would get should the unthinkable occour and the Scottish Nats get their way and break up the union.
Four Tornados and a Nimrod was the general opinion, but what about other airframes and how many personnel?
And how many would be willing to serve in the Scottish Air Force instead of the Royal Air Force?
Any thoughts?
Four Tornados and a Nimrod was the general opinion, but what about other airframes and how many personnel?
And how many would be willing to serve in the Scottish Air Force instead of the Royal Air Force?
Any thoughts?
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And how many would be willing to serve in the Scottish Air Force instead of the Royal Air Force?
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A_A, JPA? No that would be part of the deal. All units in Scotland would switch to Scottish ownership. Now that would ensure the English Air Force and English Regiments voted for the move.
However we have been round this buoy over 30 years ago.
Winnie Ewing that wonderful SNP for Moray and Nairn wrote to ISK seeking their views on becoming one of the SAF bases. The letter was filed in a SECRET folder in the intelligence cell. Who says Int Os are stupid
However we have been round this buoy over 30 years ago.
Winnie Ewing that wonderful SNP for Moray and Nairn wrote to ISK seeking their views on becoming one of the SAF bases. The letter was filed in a SECRET folder in the intelligence cell. Who says Int Os are stupid
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I think they'd be entitled to more than just one Nimrod and four Tornados.
Leuchars has three F3 squadrons, Lossie has four GR4 squadrons and Kinloss has two Nimrod squadrons. At the very least I'd say they could push for 16 of each Tornado variant and maybe three Nimronds.
However, thats just the assets North of the Border, Scottish tax payers have been paying for Typhoon, A400, FSTA etc aswell. Would certainly be interesting.
Leuchars has three F3 squadrons, Lossie has four GR4 squadrons and Kinloss has two Nimrod squadrons. At the very least I'd say they could push for 16 of each Tornado variant and maybe three Nimronds.
However, thats just the assets North of the Border, Scottish tax payers have been paying for Typhoon, A400, FSTA etc aswell. Would certainly be interesting.
I remember googling that phrase a few years ago (god alone knows why!) and someone had put together some pages on what he assumed would happen -
www.siol-nan-gaidheal.com/security.htm
Far less on there now - there used to be maps and pictures too!
www.siol-nan-gaidheal.com/security.htm
Far less on there now - there used to be maps and pictures too!
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If you were to discard the the Jocks, Micks and Welsh who serve in the British armed forces, the forces would be in a very sorry state. Proportionally, the numbers from the 'colonies' are way above English representation.
Any move to have a seperate SAF or whatever you want to call it would be detrimental to all parties in the UK!
As for mods for deep fat fryers, don't the Scottish squadrons already have them?
Any move to have a seperate SAF or whatever you want to call it would be detrimental to all parties in the UK!
As for mods for deep fat fryers, don't the Scottish squadrons already have them?
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It would seem from an outsiders POV that you chaps are already part of the Scottish Air Force, U K'S PM is (living up to the old clique of Scottish people bing a tad........Parsimony) Scottish.
I wont labour the obvious but it would seem the bean counters have long ago taken over, if the Scottish Nats really want this then let them have it and kiss the buggers goodbye......forever.
Reminds me a bit of the some of the people in Quebec's push for independence.
Time to put up or shut up.
I wont labour the obvious but it would seem the bean counters have long ago taken over, if the Scottish Nats really want this then let them have it and kiss the buggers goodbye......forever.
Reminds me a bit of the some of the people in Quebec's push for independence.
Time to put up or shut up.
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"I think they'd be entitled to more than just one Nimrod and four Tornados."
yes but what would their poloticians be willing to pay the running costs for
the SNP are keen on peacekeeping and not much else, i wouldn't be supprised if they follow the Irish Repulics model on this
would they remain in NATO?
yes but what would their poloticians be willing to pay the running costs for
the SNP are keen on peacekeeping and not much else, i wouldn't be supprised if they follow the Irish Repulics model on this
would they remain in NATO?
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"Reminds me a bit of the some of the people in Quebec's push for independence."
speaking of which maybe we should fly all the expensive kit out the night before the vote! :-)
the uncertainty didn't help Qubec attract invesent in the long run, it may well be time to "put up or shut up" for scotlands sake
speaking of which maybe we should fly all the expensive kit out the night before the vote! :-)
the uncertainty didn't help Qubec attract invesent in the long run, it may well be time to "put up or shut up" for scotlands sake
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Just give them their Bulldogs back and leave it at that.
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Bearing in mind the current location of the Evil JPA secret volcano lair I would suggest that the Jocks would have to take it on as part of the deal, leaving those south of the border to resume service as normal with a system that works, and dare I say it, cares about it's people!
That alone should make them think twice about a push for independence!
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That alone should make them think twice about a push for independence!
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Bob, what I said in post 4
Now remember how long ISL hosted the Jaguar OCU. We could transfer all the Jaguar to the SAF; the US does that with lots of its surplus aircraft to equip smaller free-world airforces
Now remember how long ISL hosted the Jaguar OCU. We could transfer all the Jaguar to the SAF; the US does that with lots of its surplus aircraft to equip smaller free-world airforces
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When a scottish independence politician called on the Stn Cdr at Leuchars a few years back, his opening gambit to the english Staish was, "of course you'd never be the Stn Cdr here once we have independence". How to win friends and influence people! "So would you like a coffee .. or have you said enough already before you go?"
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Operating a reduced fleet of aircraft would increase the cost of maintenance dramatically, I'd guess to an unrealistic level. If Scotland wanted to go it alone wouldn't it be better to tailor the forces to the nations defence policy, border control, fishery patrol and homeland defence? CDS could be Mel Gibson 
Hopefully the day will never happen, first nationalism then what, clans? Just look at the rest of the world, Balkans, FSU and recently Kenya all fighting over who comes from where even though they have lived together for years
Hopefully the day will never happen, first nationalism then what, clans? Just look at the rest of the world, Balkans, FSU and recently Kenya all fighting over who comes from where even though they have lived together for years
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The International institute for fiscal studies worked out the English would be 5p in the pound better off without the Scottish and Welsh.
Give them all the F3's, and F22 here we come!
Give them all the F3's, and F22 here we come!
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I happen to know the SNP spokesman for defence (and he knows even less about it than any of the other politicians who claim to be "experts"!) - he was the one who claimed all RN ships based at Faslane should have scottish names as it was "Imperialistic" that they were named after towns elsewhere in the UK
He thinks they would be intitled to 10% of everything as they form 10% of the population (actually more like 8% but who is counting)
So they would have an exteremly diverse range of aircraft / ships and land vehicles (except submarines as they run on nuclear power or have big bombs which the SNP say is very naughty).
So from the navy point of view that is about 5 lynx's, 5 Seaking mk 4's, 1 or 2 Mk 5's, 1 mk 7 and a couple of jetstreams. This would obviously be extremely expensive to maintain and even more to train the aircrew. We could also assume the same across the RAF again costing them loads of money.
With regards ships I vote we give them: Invincible (doesn't work - much like their parliament), a type 42 (one named after a scottish town) a couple of minesweepers and a p2000. that should be just about enough to look after their ever dwindling fishing fleet. This would hardly enough to keep the workforce on the Clyde and Rosyth employed.
The good news for us as we can charge them a fortune for training their pilots and selling them spares. We could also build our own ships and resurrect the english ship building industry.
As a committed unionist who is married to a Scot and lives North of the border (although I made sure both my children were born in England) I hope it will never come to anything, but if it does I am sure it will be a disaster along with the rest of the SNP policies so I shall move back to Gods own country.
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He thinks they would be intitled to 10% of everything as they form 10% of the population (actually more like 8% but who is counting)
So they would have an exteremly diverse range of aircraft / ships and land vehicles (except submarines as they run on nuclear power or have big bombs which the SNP say is very naughty).
So from the navy point of view that is about 5 lynx's, 5 Seaking mk 4's, 1 or 2 Mk 5's, 1 mk 7 and a couple of jetstreams. This would obviously be extremely expensive to maintain and even more to train the aircrew. We could also assume the same across the RAF again costing them loads of money.
With regards ships I vote we give them: Invincible (doesn't work - much like their parliament), a type 42 (one named after a scottish town) a couple of minesweepers and a p2000. that should be just about enough to look after their ever dwindling fishing fleet. This would hardly enough to keep the workforce on the Clyde and Rosyth employed.
The good news for us as we can charge them a fortune for training their pilots and selling them spares. We could also build our own ships and resurrect the english ship building industry.
As a committed unionist who is married to a Scot and lives North of the border (although I made sure both my children were born in England) I hope it will never come to anything, but if it does I am sure it will be a disaster along with the rest of the SNP policies so I shall move back to Gods own country.
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How would an independent Scotland afford its Air Force?
I think that they assume that the border with England turns a sharp right and runs East/West once it hits the North Sea at Berwick. However, if you extrapolate the border North East in the same general direction as where it lies over land, then guess who owns most of the oil (and its not the Jocks).
Mind you, as long as they take back all those d**ned bagpipes that ruin an otherwise perfectly good at dining in night....... good riddance.
I think that they assume that the border with England turns a sharp right and runs East/West once it hits the North Sea at Berwick. However, if you extrapolate the border North East in the same general direction as where it lies over land, then guess who owns most of the oil (and its not the Jocks).
Mind you, as long as they take back all those d**ned bagpipes that ruin an otherwise perfectly good at dining in night....... good riddance.
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Serving the crown surely means there would be no need to split the military in the event of independence.
HM the Queen would remain monarch of Scotland as well, reverting to the situation when the James Stuart was James I of England and James the VI of Scotland.
Jointly fund the operation, and show the EU how an integrated defence force should work.
HM the Queen would remain monarch of Scotland as well, reverting to the situation when the James Stuart was James I of England and James the VI of Scotland.
Jointly fund the operation, and show the EU how an integrated defence force should work.