Kuznetsov en route to Med
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Yes that's true, but I just watched that vid again and that wollowing bucket is hove-to, in fact its having a hard time keeping its head to sea. Its a 10,000 ton ship. It just goes to show how badly designed they are, too much topweight. I'd like to see a T22 in similar conditions.
I feel sorry for the poor buggers on it though. Not fun.
Yes that's true, but I just watched that vid again and that wollowing bucket is hove-to, in fact its having a hard time keeping its head to sea. Its a 10,000 ton ship. It just goes to show how badly designed they are, too much topweight. I'd like to see a T22 in similar conditions.
I feel sorry for the poor buggers on it though. Not fun.
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If they were off Stavanger 3 days ago then no. It also depends on what route they propose to take and weather conditions 
Maybe south of Ireland by now - just a guess.
This certainly wasn't meant to happen. Here
Maybe south of Ireland by now - just a guess.This certainly wasn't meant to happen. Here
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I've just seen the first vid, esp the Udaloy. Now, I ain't no sailor - and if that's what it's like, I ain't gonna be one either! And on the other (SU prang) vid, does something fall off the second SU as it launches/bolts?? There is a splash as it clears the deck. Or is it a cat strop?
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It can't be a cat bridle because she doesn't have any cats. Maybe some kind of hold back device ?
Also is it my imagine but the run-out lengths for the cats on the ship seem very long compared to US and French ships. May be the SUs aren't as sturdy as Rafale and F/A-18s ? Maybe STOVL has its advantages.
Also is it my imagine but the run-out lengths for the cats on the ship seem very long compared to US and French ships. May be the SUs aren't as sturdy as Rafale and F/A-18s ? Maybe STOVL has its advantages.
very interesting video, especially clear lower deck to manouvre an aircraft in the hangar! I would be interested in the range and payload ability of the aircraft using such a ramp launch.
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Lusty should be there on Thu. No idea of they will be monitoring Kuznetsov's exercise, probably not. Uncle Sam has more than enough assets at Lajes to do the job.
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MOSCOW, January 21 (RIA Novosti) - The flagship of Russia's Black Sea Fleet, the Moskva guided-missile cruiser, has successfully hit designated targets as part of a Navy exercise in the northern Atlantic Monday, a Navy spokesman said.
A Joint Naval Task Force, comprised of the Admiral Kuznetsov aircraft carrier, the Udaloy-Class destroyers Admiral Levchenko and Admiral Chabanenko, as well as auxiliary vessels, is currently on a two-month tour of duty in the Mediterranean Sea and the North Atlantic.
"The missile system used for the launches has no match in performance terms," Capt. 1st Rank Igor Dygalo, an aide to the Navy commander, said.
The Moskva cruiser joined up with Russian warships in the Mediterranean on Friday to participate in ongoing maneuvers, including live missile launches against airborne and seaborne targets.
Russian warships will also practice interoperability with naval aviation and strategic bombers for several days.
The operation is the first large-scale Russian Navy exercise in the Atlantic for 15 years. All the warships and aircraft involved are carrying full combat ammunition loads, the Navy said.
A Joint Naval Task Force, comprised of the Admiral Kuznetsov aircraft carrier, the Udaloy-Class destroyers Admiral Levchenko and Admiral Chabanenko, as well as auxiliary vessels, is currently on a two-month tour of duty in the Mediterranean Sea and the North Atlantic.
"The missile system used for the launches has no match in performance terms," Capt. 1st Rank Igor Dygalo, an aide to the Navy commander, said.
The Moskva cruiser joined up with Russian warships in the Mediterranean on Friday to participate in ongoing maneuvers, including live missile launches against airborne and seaborne targets.
Russian warships will also practice interoperability with naval aviation and strategic bombers for several days.
The operation is the first large-scale Russian Navy exercise in the Atlantic for 15 years. All the warships and aircraft involved are carrying full combat ammunition loads, the Navy said.
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Well we have too and so do the French and US when firing anything in the North Atlantic...
But then, if they can fly their Sukhois around the oil rigs off Scotland causing distruption to the helicopter support then i'm sure they would fire their missiles with no official NOTAM.
If they had only just gone through the Gibraltar straight on Saturday then they have two days of sailing to get where they went to fire the missiles on Monday.
I did hear that one or two of the Cruisers was supposed to exercise with the French in the North Atlantic/Biscay region either on their way down or on their way back up....
There has been a live fire exercise put on by the French recently in Biscay.
But then, if they can fly their Sukhois around the oil rigs off Scotland causing distruption to the helicopter support then i'm sure they would fire their missiles with no official NOTAM.
If they had only just gone through the Gibraltar straight on Saturday then they have two days of sailing to get where they went to fire the missiles on Monday.
I did hear that one or two of the Cruisers was supposed to exercise with the French in the North Atlantic/Biscay region either on their way down or on their way back up....
There has been a live fire exercise put on by the French recently in Biscay.
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MOSCOW (Reuters) - Russia on Tuesday sent two long-range bombers to the Bay of Biscay, off the French and Spanish Atlantic coasts, to test-fire missiles in what it billed as its biggest navy exercise in the area since Soviet times.
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British and Norwegian Tornado and F-16 jets were escorting the Russian 'Blackjack' bombers, Interfax reported, quoting the Russian Air Force.
However, the French Defence Ministry spokesman said his country had been informed about the Russian exercises.
Firing missiles off the coastline of two members of the NATO military alliance is the latest in a series of Kremlin moves flexing Moscow's military muscle on the world stage.
The Russian bombers joined aircraft carriers, battleships and submarine hunters from the Northern and Black Sea fleets for the Atlantic exercises, which come as the country enters an election campaign to choose a successor to President Vladimir Putin.
"The air force is taking a very active part in the exercises of the navy's strike force in the Atlantic," Russia's air force said in a statement.
"Today, two strategic Tu-160 bombers departed for exercises in the Bay of Biscay, which ... will carry out a number of missions and will conduct tactical missile launches," it said.
Putin, widely popular as his second four-year term draws to a close, has sought to use such moves to revive domestic and international respect for Russia's armed forces which were shattered by the chaos of the 1990s.
A former KGB lieutenant-colonel, Putin has boosted military spending, renewed long-range bomber missions and approved a plan to upgrade Russia's nuclear attack forces, which he said was needed after NATO built up its forces close to Russia's borders.
But some analysts note that while the sabre rattling is popular at home, Russian military spending in absolute terms is substantially lower than that of China, Britain or France and less than a tenth of that of the United States.
Discipline is still a major problem for Russia's armed forces, which rely heavily on conscripts and outdated equipment.
Russia last month said it would begin major navy sorties into the Mediterranean, with 11 ships backed up by 47 aircraft, that would then travel to the Atlantic for exercises.
The navy's flagship aircraft carrier, the Soviet-made Admiral Kuznetsov, was leading the fleet in the Atlantic where NATO aircraft were trying to keep a close eye on Russian movements, Russian media reported.
"This is the biggest exercise of its kind in the area since Soviet times," a spokesman for Russia's navy said, adding that more details would be released later.
There was no further information about where in the Bay of Biscay, which lies off the West coast of France and the Northern coast of Spain, the missile tests were due to take place.
Russia's air force said turbo-prop Tupolev Tu-95 strategic bombers, codenamed "Bear" by NATO, would join the exercise on Wednesday.
"From January 23, the aviation component in the zone where the exercises are going on will be widened and the following planes will take part: Tu-160, Tu-95, Tu-22 M3, Il-78, A-50," the air force said.
(Reporting by Guy Faulconbridge and Conor Sweeney in Moscow, additional reporting by Crispian Balmer in Paris; editing by Keith Weir)
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British and Norwegian Tornado and F-16 jets were escorting the Russian 'Blackjack' bombers, Interfax reported, quoting the Russian Air Force.
However, the French Defence Ministry spokesman said his country had been informed about the Russian exercises.
Firing missiles off the coastline of two members of the NATO military alliance is the latest in a series of Kremlin moves flexing Moscow's military muscle on the world stage.
The Russian bombers joined aircraft carriers, battleships and submarine hunters from the Northern and Black Sea fleets for the Atlantic exercises, which come as the country enters an election campaign to choose a successor to President Vladimir Putin.
"The air force is taking a very active part in the exercises of the navy's strike force in the Atlantic," Russia's air force said in a statement.
"Today, two strategic Tu-160 bombers departed for exercises in the Bay of Biscay, which ... will carry out a number of missions and will conduct tactical missile launches," it said.
Putin, widely popular as his second four-year term draws to a close, has sought to use such moves to revive domestic and international respect for Russia's armed forces which were shattered by the chaos of the 1990s.
A former KGB lieutenant-colonel, Putin has boosted military spending, renewed long-range bomber missions and approved a plan to upgrade Russia's nuclear attack forces, which he said was needed after NATO built up its forces close to Russia's borders.
But some analysts note that while the sabre rattling is popular at home, Russian military spending in absolute terms is substantially lower than that of China, Britain or France and less than a tenth of that of the United States.
Discipline is still a major problem for Russia's armed forces, which rely heavily on conscripts and outdated equipment.
Russia last month said it would begin major navy sorties into the Mediterranean, with 11 ships backed up by 47 aircraft, that would then travel to the Atlantic for exercises.
The navy's flagship aircraft carrier, the Soviet-made Admiral Kuznetsov, was leading the fleet in the Atlantic where NATO aircraft were trying to keep a close eye on Russian movements, Russian media reported.
"This is the biggest exercise of its kind in the area since Soviet times," a spokesman for Russia's navy said, adding that more details would be released later.
There was no further information about where in the Bay of Biscay, which lies off the West coast of France and the Northern coast of Spain, the missile tests were due to take place.
Russia's air force said turbo-prop Tupolev Tu-95 strategic bombers, codenamed "Bear" by NATO, would join the exercise on Wednesday.
"From January 23, the aviation component in the zone where the exercises are going on will be widened and the following planes will take part: Tu-160, Tu-95, Tu-22 M3, Il-78, A-50," the air force said.
(Reporting by Guy Faulconbridge and Conor Sweeney in Moscow, additional reporting by Crispian Balmer in Paris; editing by Keith Weir)
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I think a spot of ground-air missile firing in the published Danger Area EGD701 is called for tomorrow 
If the Russkies choose to ignore internationally published and active Danger Areas (again) and get splashed .... ah well, that's the price of bad airmanship
If the Russkies choose to ignore internationally published and active Danger Areas (again) and get splashed .... ah well, that's the price of bad airmanship
I noticed the following 'Notice to Mariners'.(YoHoHoTam). It would tend to tie in with the Russian Navy missile firings.
http://www.nga.mil/MSISiteContent/St...dcast_Warn.pdf
'128/08(36,51). NORTH ATLANTIC. MISSILES.
1. HAZARDOUS OPERATIONS 211100Z TO 211700Z AND
221100Z TO 221800Z JAN IN AREA BOUND BY
40-10N 016-30W, 39-50N 016-30W,
38-00N 020-30W, 42-00N 020-30W.
2. CANCEL THIS MSG 221900Z JAN.'
http://www.nga.mil/MSISiteContent/St...dcast_Warn.pdf
'128/08(36,51). NORTH ATLANTIC. MISSILES.
1. HAZARDOUS OPERATIONS 211100Z TO 211700Z AND
221100Z TO 221800Z JAN IN AREA BOUND BY
40-10N 016-30W, 39-50N 016-30W,
38-00N 020-30W, 42-00N 020-30W.
2. CANCEL THIS MSG 221900Z JAN.'
Would be very interesting if they did stray a bit close and a bit of supersonic electronics got even closer