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What does work is joining a civi airline and earning normal airline wage, keep the RAF pension and then join the RAuxAF as well. These guys get a daily rate for the time they put in, and if you complete your 12 days training and 15 day annual camp per year you get a nice tax free bounty (about £1500) No loss of pension with this.
RAuxAF aircrew are all over the place these days and you decide when you come in to do your bit and when you can't. If you get mobilised (bound to happen) the RAF has to pay you the same as your civi employer does, and you keep your job safe under the Reserve Forces Act.
Then if after some years in civi street, you want an easy life, take early retirement, the civi company pension and the gratuity and go FTRS. By that time the pay rates will have moved forward, and you will find that what the RAF is on today is more than what you were on in your day, even if you add the pension in to the calculation, so you won't loose your pension then either.
RAuxAF aircrew are all over the place these days and you decide when you come in to do your bit and when you can't. If you get mobilised (bound to happen) the RAF has to pay you the same as your civi employer does, and you keep your job safe under the Reserve Forces Act.
Then if after some years in civi street, you want an easy life, take early retirement, the civi company pension and the gratuity and go FTRS. By that time the pay rates will have moved forward, and you will find that what the RAF is on today is more than what you were on in your day, even if you add the pension in to the calculation, so you won't loose your pension then either.
Not surprised that MOD think this is a great idea with hndreds of people wanting to queue up to join.
The poloitcal masters never have been up close and personal with reality, they don't need to because all their "wanna promotion" underlings are telling them how wonderful their scheme is and how well everything else thay have implemented is working.
The message from the units is just not getting through, just like it didn't when I was in and probably won't ever. WHich is why we have a 41000 RAF that is even more overstretched than it ever was.
Shame on HMG
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The poloitcal masters never have been up close and personal with reality, they don't need to because all their "wanna promotion" underlings are telling them how wonderful their scheme is and how well everything else thay have implemented is working.
The message from the units is just not getting through, just like it didn't when I was in and probably won't ever. WHich is why we have a 41000 RAF that is even more overstretched than it ever was.
Shame on HMG
Doc C
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What does work is joining a civi airline and earning normal airline wage, keep the RAF pension and then join the RAuxAF as well.
A few years ago I was obliged to resign from the VR(T) because my employer to be was not at all happy about even the concept of me flying the Grob on an AEF in my spare time.
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I see that the RAF advert for Flying Instructors is now appearing on the Pprune site. The link takes you here. After trying to read that website I'm not sure my eyesight would be good enough!
I wonder what response they've had?
I wonder what response they've had?
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I know a FI that is considering this very seriously having done the numbers game.
He was told by the recruiters that the total no of serious applicants as a result of this campaign was in the region of....5!
He was told by the recruiters that the total no of serious applicants as a result of this campaign was in the region of....5!
So we cannot recruit QFIs to support the units in those traditional retirement areas for QFIs (Yorks and Lincs) and yet 'we' have just signed a contract with Ascent for MFTS.
Anyone genuinely believe they will be able to recruit instructors without paying serious money? And if they have to pay serious money, then doesn't it make it cheaper (significantly cheaper?) to employ 100% military instructors?
Anyone genuinely believe they will be able to recruit instructors without paying serious money? And if they have to pay serious money, then doesn't it make it cheaper (significantly cheaper?) to employ 100% military instructors?
5, eh - haven't those who know anything about such things, always said as much, Roly?
First question to the MFTS lot should be "Where do you think you will get your instructional staff from?"
Second question should then be "And when the first tranche, should you ever get them, decide to retire - what then?"
With the QFI-factory of the proper UAS world having been shut down, the number of RAF QFIs is dwindling. The number of QFIs who wish to take retirement and then work at places like Oxford Aviation Academy is nowadays roughly zero - they prefer to go to the airlines themselves, it seems, rather than train youngsters to go to the airlines. The pay and conditions are somewhat better too.
I wonder whether the MFTS people have realised how expensive it would be to send a pilot (assuming he/she was good enough) to CFS.......
Even in the single piston world, military QFIs do rather more than just 'teach' barely-legal joyrides passed off as 'trial lessons'. As for sufficient BFTS and AFTS QFIs, well, what do you think?
Schadenfreude. Not very nice, but in this case I will smugly say "We told your airships so, but as usual you wouldn't listen!".
Although they will have retired with a K and a door-opening job for a military contractor by then - and some other poor sod will have to pick up the pieces.
First question to the MFTS lot should be "Where do you think you will get your instructional staff from?"
Second question should then be "And when the first tranche, should you ever get them, decide to retire - what then?"
With the QFI-factory of the proper UAS world having been shut down, the number of RAF QFIs is dwindling. The number of QFIs who wish to take retirement and then work at places like Oxford Aviation Academy is nowadays roughly zero - they prefer to go to the airlines themselves, it seems, rather than train youngsters to go to the airlines. The pay and conditions are somewhat better too.
I wonder whether the MFTS people have realised how expensive it would be to send a pilot (assuming he/she was good enough) to CFS.......
Even in the single piston world, military QFIs do rather more than just 'teach' barely-legal joyrides passed off as 'trial lessons'. As for sufficient BFTS and AFTS QFIs, well, what do you think?
Schadenfreude. Not very nice, but in this case I will smugly say "We told your airships so, but as usual you wouldn't listen!".
Although they will have retired with a K and a door-opening job for a military contractor by then - and some other poor sod will have to pick up the pieces.
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Spot on, as ever, BEagle! The sad and maddening thing is that it's the clowns in the MoD who made this mess and sooner or later will have to pay the going rate for instructors.
That's all very well until we realise that they will not be penalised in any way for their incompetence and that the money they're having to spend is actually ours and as it can only be spent once you can forget that new kit you said you needed!
The pension problem is also alive and well elsewhere. I was asked if I'd like to help train young teachers but when I investigated further I discovered that I'd either have to do it for nothing or take a big hit on my pension. Thanks, but no thanks. And anyway I'll soon be too old.
Result of this policy? Many long-serving (40 years plus) teachers retire and take their experience and expertise with them never to return. Sounds familiar?
That's all very well until we realise that they will not be penalised in any way for their incompetence and that the money they're having to spend is actually ours and as it can only be spent once you can forget that new kit you said you needed!
The pension problem is also alive and well elsewhere. I was asked if I'd like to help train young teachers but when I investigated further I discovered that I'd either have to do it for nothing or take a big hit on my pension. Thanks, but no thanks. And anyway I'll soon be too old.
Result of this policy? Many long-serving (40 years plus) teachers retire and take their experience and expertise with them never to return. Sounds familiar?
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Its totally....
F.U.B.A.H.
(Fl_lCKED UP BEYOND ALL HOPE!!!!)
I concur that this was all too predictable for someone with half an ounce of common-sense.
Someone once said
" For evil to triumph, it takes good men to stand idly by and do nothing."
While there are a few good men (and women) still out there.... I fear it is too late for the Service I once served and loved.
I hope that those who presided over this catastrophe sleep soundly at night and feel mighty proud of themselves and their lasting legacy. One wonders if they were ever fit to wear the Crown in the first place?
Per Ardua ad Ashtray
F.U.B.A.H.
(Fl_lCKED UP BEYOND ALL HOPE!!!!)
I concur that this was all too predictable for someone with half an ounce of common-sense.
Someone once said
" For evil to triumph, it takes good men to stand idly by and do nothing."
While there are a few good men (and women) still out there.... I fear it is too late for the Service I once served and loved.
I hope that those who presided over this catastrophe sleep soundly at night and feel mighty proud of themselves and their lasting legacy. One wonders if they were ever fit to wear the Crown in the first place?
Per Ardua ad Ashtray
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Quote: I hope that those who presided over this catastrophe sleep soundly at night and feel mighty proud of themselves and their lasting legacy. One wonders if they were ever fit to wear the Crown in the first place?
Naah. They won't even f*kin notice, still less care...
Naah. They won't even f*kin notice, still less care...
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UKMFTS is the best answer to flying training ever concieved. It's obvious really, a civilian company, who has never trained pilots, is obviously the right team to improve on the 80ish years of RAF training.
We'll get the right 'product', for the right 'price'. Streamlininging is the key, throughput and productivity.....
...... all nice, but 'Who' does the teaching on the Hawk 128, and New Basic (Whatever that looks like)..... 'self licking lolly' if you ask me.
Thought I'd finished, then thought: 'ARSE'
Advo
We'll get the right 'product', for the right 'price'. Streamlininging is the key, throughput and productivity.....
...... all nice, but 'Who' does the teaching on the Hawk 128, and New Basic (Whatever that looks like)..... 'self licking lolly' if you ask me.
Thought I'd finished, then thought: 'ARSE'
Advo
