Missing rear seater
Assume by your reply that you're a serving member of the RAF. You should know better than to report stuff from official channels during this kind of incident. Plus Ops shouldn't be releasing stuff like that until everything is positively confirmed. Outrageous behaviour from all concerned.
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Terrible news
How very awful, and what a tragic loss. One has to consider the top latch lock theory. Someone has already mentioned the JP incident earlier, and I have to say I agree. Lets wait however until the chaps in the know have studied all the evidence available. A very special man has passed today, and I am truly upset by this incident. My very best, clear skies my friend.
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ALL!!!
those that jumped on the band wagon in a bid to give us all info that they heard from 'higher' and we thought 'respected' providers of info, were let down dreadfully. They (on Prune) have learnt (please do not hold it against them), I just hope that the higher authorities have learnt
Now. please forget all after. Lets get on to the main purpose of this thread (Or perhaps the originator may want to delete the whole thread and start again,
....a good idea i think as many people are feeling pretty bad!) Which is:
Sincere condolences to the family and colleagues of the person concernd.
Tigs2
those that jumped on the band wagon in a bid to give us all info that they heard from 'higher' and we thought 'respected' providers of info, were let down dreadfully. They (on Prune) have learnt (please do not hold it against them), I just hope that the higher authorities have learnt
Now. please forget all after. Lets get on to the main purpose of this thread (Or perhaps the originator may want to delete the whole thread and start again,
....a good idea i think as many people are feeling pretty bad!) Which is:Sincere condolences to the family and colleagues of the person concernd.
Tigs2
Concur Tigs2.
My thoughts are with all involved at Marham, particularly the friends and family, but as I said in a PM to NA, it will have affected everyone there and my heart goes out to you all.
We have lost another good man.
RIP
My thoughts are with all involved at Marham, particularly the friends and family, but as I said in a PM to NA, it will have affected everyone there and my heart goes out to you all.
We have lost another good man.
RIP
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All readers, civvie and mil, should be aware that at Lossie today the full and correct procedure was followed. The news blackout is still being followed and nothing has been confirmed by our hierachy to us mere plebs!
That is the way it should be, limited info distribution to those who need to know! When names and further info is released to the press tomorrow only then should and will we be told.
This is showing true respect to the nearest and dearest. All involved in mil and civvie flying who may, god forbid, be in this position in the future would want the same procedure to be followed to protect their family.
That is the way it should be, limited info distribution to those who need to know! When names and further info is released to the press tomorrow only then should and will we be told.
This is showing true respect to the nearest and dearest. All involved in mil and civvie flying who may, god forbid, be in this position in the future would want the same procedure to be followed to protect their family.
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I will go along with your last.
To get technical / historical for a moment.
I believe the midair misreported dead vs alive was a pair of Jags out of Lossie in early 80s (I was on the SAR flt at the time but not directly involved). I believe it involved a change of airframe post sign-out and a t-bird being flown single seat. One of the results was that SAR crews NEVER report accident results by R/T. Obvious in hindsight but I daresay it seemed like a good idea at the time.
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I will go along with your last.
To get technical / historical for a moment.
I believe the midair misreported dead vs alive was a pair of Jags out of Lossie in early 80s (I was on the SAR flt at the time but not directly involved). I believe it involved a change of airframe post sign-out and a t-bird being flown single seat. One of the results was that SAR crews NEVER report accident results by R/T. Obvious in hindsight but I daresay it seemed like a good idea at the time.
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... or it could have been the pair of Harriers at otterburn. That there are similar tales indicates a need for utmost discretion until facts are known, for we all know what assume concludes in....
I concur that this particular thread would benefit from deletion and a tribute thread launched. Perhaps somebody who knows the individual may wish to press the appropriate buttons.
RIP
I concur that this particular thread would benefit from deletion and a tribute thread launched. Perhaps somebody who knows the individual may wish to press the appropriate buttons.
RIP
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In the mid-80s the wives of the Chinook crew on FI found out their husbands were dead when it was announced on BFBS in Germany. You'd have hoped that lessons were learnt, but as there is no collective memory people will have to reinvent the wheel..........
RIP
RIP
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Regards the incident at Marham - no need to speculate - it's being investigated and I am sure appropriate action will be taken if it's found there have been any faillings .
Heartfelt wishes to all at Marham.
Heartfelt wishes to all at Marham.
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I posted what I posted and when because of the second post (now deleted) that erroneously reported the safe recovery of the nav. I personally took the call from the ARCC in the ops room at Wattisham and I followed the RCS closely since we had ownership of the SARop. Therefore what I posted was a. in the best of intent without disclosing any details and b. based on actual fact not supposition.
Very many condolences to the family.
Very many condolences to the family.
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Crab,
For what its worth I took your post exactly as you intended. I also think most sensible and reasonable folk would too.
I suspect (and hope) that those who raged against Crab's post will reconsider when the emotion of the event calms a little.
There is no point in shooting the messenger, especially when he is doing his best to let you down gently.
ASRAAM
For what its worth I took your post exactly as you intended. I also think most sensible and reasonable folk would too.
I suspect (and hope) that those who raged against Crab's post will reconsider when the emotion of the event calms a little.
There is no point in shooting the messenger, especially when he is doing his best to let you down gently.
ASRAAM
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Why don't we have a single, large thread so that people who wish to post condolences can do so by adding their names to a list whenever there is a loss such as this? That way we can stop threads like this one deteriorating from factual and informative to dreary, attention-getting chest-beating. I think it is pretty obvious that anyone involved in aviation is shocked and saddened by such tragedies so why do we need to wail so publicly?
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The best way IMHO is to avoid speculation and slagging off those who, for one reason or another, and probably with good intent, chose to post their thoughts. There have been many worse than those here.
However, it was discussed but a short time ago that condolences come first and this should be borne in mind before posting.
My own condolences go out to the families and friends.
However, it was discussed but a short time ago that condolences come first and this should be borne in mind before posting.
My own condolences go out to the families and friends.