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At #85 Wokkameister reported how CAS was concerned about "distractions". Someone else mentioned on a different thread an old flight safety video called Distractions, with that comedy actor O'Sullivan (Robert/Richard?). I recall he spends his morning pre-sortie being frustrated and angered by stupid rules, system failings and "no can do" attitudes, with the outcome being either an incident or accident. These days we seem to have many Service-induced frustrations and distractions. Time to dig out the video?
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I believe some people are needlessly dragging this thread on. 'Gasfitter' has already said we're all just whinging and it seems as if everything is fine in the world of military aviation.
I wonder if 'Gasfitter' works as a guard on 'that' train?
I wonder if 'Gasfitter' works as a guard on 'that' train?
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The RAF does not have a monopoly on going to hot and sandy places. Last autumn 50% of UK forces in Afghanistan were Royal Navy and a fresh element has just deployed.
So why do you need to apologise for suggesting he was Navy?
Lieutenant Andrew McLachlan, of 40 Commando said:
"This deployment is well suited to the nature and ethos of the Royal Marines. Military force can only be part of the solution. We will be there to help with the development and reconstruction of the area, but are robust enough to stop those intent on undermining the work already achieved. Conditions will be tough but 40 Commando are well equipped and well prepared for the task."
Working alongside their colleagues from the Army and RAF, the Royal Marines will also be joined by a large deployment of the Royal Navy's Fleet Air Arm who will be supporting the efforts on the ground.
The Royal Marine Commandos will also work alongside and support the Afghan security forces as they continue to develop and take on a greater role in providing security to the province.
It is a tri-service and multi-national operation.
So why do you need to apologise for suggesting he was Navy?
Lieutenant Andrew McLachlan, of 40 Commando said:
"This deployment is well suited to the nature and ethos of the Royal Marines. Military force can only be part of the solution. We will be there to help with the development and reconstruction of the area, but are robust enough to stop those intent on undermining the work already achieved. Conditions will be tough but 40 Commando are well equipped and well prepared for the task."
Working alongside their colleagues from the Army and RAF, the Royal Marines will also be joined by a large deployment of the Royal Navy's Fleet Air Arm who will be supporting the efforts on the ground.
The Royal Marine Commandos will also work alongside and support the Afghan security forces as they continue to develop and take on a greater role in providing security to the province.
It is a tri-service and multi-national operation.
1. You probably wouldn't like to be referred to as 'RAF', and may well expect an aplogy when pointed out, maybe?
2. I seem to regard the RM as a seperate entity (as many of they do), rightly or wrongly. They don't sit well as a quasi-RAF Regiment RN trade.
Apolgies for the offence!
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I think you're absolutely right!
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When I joined the Service in the 80's and unemployment was sitting at 3.25M, there wasn't a great exodus! PVR rates are alays higher during periods of good opportunities outside. Just look at those pilots who left around 9/11 and couldn't get back in quick enough!
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It's not that there can't be improvement, it's just not ALL so bad and I object to those who think that moaning like ten-men in public is somehow supporting their 'mates'.
It seems that suddenly there is a 'You're either with us, or against us', George Bush type of argument. Anyone suggesting that it's not all bad is a heretic. Well if you think life is as simple as 'Yes' or 'No' or 'Black' or 'White', then you can't handle a little complexity!
These days we seem to have many Service-induced frustrations and distractions. Time to dig out the video?
egdg
The figure for option leavers and PVRs is, of course, highly visible. How can they get it so wrong and leave?
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as if everything is fine in the world of military aviation.
It seems that suddenly there is a 'You're either with us, or against us', George Bush type of argument. Anyone suggesting that it's not all bad is a heretic. Well if you think life is as simple as 'Yes' or 'No' or 'Black' or 'White', then you can't handle a little complexity!
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Black and white is not a problem, it's the several shades of sand colour that seem to cause a trifle of unrest. Oh, and the RPG's and AK47's.
I think I can handle a little complexity. So can many other people. Thats why they are not scared to leave, rather than blindly following the caravan over the edge and into the abyss.
cap, yours, fitting well perhaps?
I think I can handle a little complexity. So can many other people. Thats why they are not scared to leave, rather than blindly following the caravan over the edge and into the abyss.
cap, yours, fitting well perhaps?
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"can't be that bad if you're still in."
Whilst I was never of the opinion you were that convincing that particularly stupid statement makes you look the clown that most on here accuse you of
There are a whole swathe of good folk who are either stuck in the pension/education/mortgage trap who, should they choose to walk simply could not command the sort of wage they are currently paid.
There are plenty of good folk in all walks of life in exactly the same boat, go look at the MOD Redundancy thread on here and wonder how many of those people currently think life is a bowl of cherries.
The facts are that plenty of people with marketable skills are simply walking away from the military which reflects their complete dissatisfaction with their current terms of employment whilst there are thousands of cases, and i suspect WM is one of them, of folks who are simply hunkering down to see out their last few years to get the pension etc that their years of sacrifice so richly deserve.
If you took your head out of the sand/arse you might just start to understand what you are being told but as you assume that because people stay in they must be happy with their lot this I feel directly reflects the depth of your knowledge on this thorny issue
Whilst I was never of the opinion you were that convincing that particularly stupid statement makes you look the clown that most on here accuse you of
There are a whole swathe of good folk who are either stuck in the pension/education/mortgage trap who, should they choose to walk simply could not command the sort of wage they are currently paid.
There are plenty of good folk in all walks of life in exactly the same boat, go look at the MOD Redundancy thread on here and wonder how many of those people currently think life is a bowl of cherries.
The facts are that plenty of people with marketable skills are simply walking away from the military which reflects their complete dissatisfaction with their current terms of employment whilst there are thousands of cases, and i suspect WM is one of them, of folks who are simply hunkering down to see out their last few years to get the pension etc that their years of sacrifice so richly deserve.
If you took your head out of the sand/arse you might just start to understand what you are being told but as you assume that because people stay in they must be happy with their lot this I feel directly reflects the depth of your knowledge on this thorny issue
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Father Xmas isn't real.
The tooth fairy isn't real.
There are no jobs for life anymore.
Life's tough!
There's no conscription, we're all volunteers.
Your Forum name is VERY apt!
The tooth fairy isn't real.
There are no jobs for life anymore.
Life's tough!
There's no conscription, we're all volunteers.
Your Forum name is VERY apt!
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Your source is about as reliable as seldomfitforpurpose!
Now, banning leave ... that would make me think about leaving ... but not whinge like 'ten-men' on a public forum. I'd just get on with it. It must beat telling everyone how bad it all is ... and then staying in!
Your source is about as reliable as seldomfitforpurpose!
Now, banning leave ... that would make me think about leaving ... but not whinge like 'ten-men' on a public forum. I'd just get on with it. It must beat telling everyone how bad it all is ... and then staying in!
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Is this still the questions for CAS thread?
Why does my son not require mortar protection when he finally gets to sleep after flying 14 hrs and 10 sectors?
Does he look more military if he wears his uniform to eat on his one day off after working the previous 10, isnt the fact he's doing his job military enough?
Why is he on his 7th operational detachment this year when his Boss promised the wives only 3 a year?
Why does he have to reach a fitness level in his mid 30s higher than that required to join when he was 18, (twice a year)?
Is duty of care a dead issue at Air rank despite thankfully being alive and kicking at his junior level?
Does he look more military if he wears his uniform to eat on his one day off after working the previous 10, isnt the fact he's doing his job military enough?
Why is he on his 7th operational detachment this year when his Boss promised the wives only 3 a year?
Why does he have to reach a fitness level in his mid 30s higher than that required to join when he was 18, (twice a year)?
Is duty of care a dead issue at Air rank despite thankfully being alive and kicking at his junior level?
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With genuine respect ....
.... all very good questions, but they won't get answered on a public forum! That's always been my point. Not the place to get good answers if that's what the author wants. It does nothing to help the lads out there, more comfort for the 'opposition', but it might be a little cathartic for those who think they're helping!
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Just watching a re run of an Ali - Frazier fight, probably way before your time John but these were two genuine warriors........but i digress.
As I watch Ali win on a TKO I am giggling as my imagination wanders back to this thread and I try to depict Dusty Bin or any of his cohorts delivering early morning "orders" and stating that "Aiiiiyee I have read Prune and the Infidel are on the run"
You really do need to sort your self out chap as the egdg description is starting to sound pretty accurate...........
As regards your 14:31 post........In the last few days had a guy signed on to age 55 with the probable offer of PA spine.........job for life maybe........advice.........research before posting you twit
As I watch Ali win on a TKO I am giggling as my imagination wanders back to this thread and I try to depict Dusty Bin or any of his cohorts delivering early morning "orders" and stating that "Aiiiiyee I have read Prune and the Infidel are on the run"
You really do need to sort your self out chap as the egdg description is starting to sound pretty accurate...........
As regards your 14:31 post........In the last few days had a guy signed on to age 55 with the probable offer of PA spine.........job for life maybe........advice.........research before posting you twit
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When the going get's tough we look towards the officers and SNCOs of our fine Service to keep it all going .... not bleat on and on about how 'how hard it all is'.
I wouldn't want you anywhere near the 'first XV' when the bullets start flying!
"What shall we do, Sir", say the troops.
"I tell you what, let's have a good bleat on PPrune, that'll make us all feel better!"
"Right you are, Sir! That'll win us the battle!"
There's a chain of command ... use it! Any half decent officer should know that, not whinge to the world and anyone else who wants to listen!
Not bad ... joining after 'A' Levels and then getting offered a full career to 55! I DON'T THINK SO! That's not a 'job for life'!
To quote someone else on this Forum:
I wouldn't want you anywhere near the 'first XV' when the bullets start flying!
"What shall we do, Sir", say the troops.
"I tell you what, let's have a good bleat on PPrune, that'll make us all feel better!"
"Right you are, Sir! That'll win us the battle!"
There's a chain of command ... use it! Any half decent officer should know that, not whinge to the world and anyone else who wants to listen!
Not bad ... joining after 'A' Levels and then getting offered a full career to 55! I DON'T THINK SO! That's not a 'job for life'!
To quote someone else on this Forum:
........advice.........research before posting you twit
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Gas you really are starting to sound quite silly now
How about joining at 16, serving to age 55 then leaving with an index linked pension that will always be more than sufficient to mean both Mrs SFFP and I can retire and never work again
.............now about that job for life you say no longer exists 
Oh and there are plenty of guys approaching 40 who will be offered the same terms of service that I have so there are lots more "jobs for life" still to come
As I said ........advice.........research before posting you twit
How about joining at 16, serving to age 55 then leaving with an index linked pension that will always be more than sufficient to mean both Mrs SFFP and I can retire and never work again
.............now about that job for life you say no longer exists Oh and there are plenty of guys approaching 40 who will be offered the same terms of service that I have so there are lots more "jobs for life" still to come
As I said ........advice.........research before posting you twit