B1 At Fairford
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B1 At Fairford
On UKAR website, there are photos of a B1 landing at Fairford with three engines fitted.
Assumng it is not digital trickery, and waiting for the "When I was On V-Bomber" comments, does anyone know any more detail behind this flight?
Assumng it is not digital trickery, and waiting for the "When I was On V-Bomber" comments, does anyone know any more detail behind this flight?
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http://forums.airshows.co.uk/cgi-bin...ST;f=9;t=39093
Doesn't look like digital trickery to me.
airsound
Doesn't look like digital trickery to me.
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I've never heard of an engine-out ferry with an engine actually "out" - but it would appear that this configuration is permitted on the B-1.
I guess that the aircraft is being ferried from a sandy place to a main base for repair. Staging through Fairford rather than conducting AAR in this condition?
I guess that the aircraft is being ferried from a sandy place to a main base for repair. Staging through Fairford rather than conducting AAR in this condition?
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A lot more this than meets the eye, perhaps it came from a divert base where they weren't happy for it to sit around and be fixed on site, and the jet didn't come from the Middle East, it has nothing to do with Iraq/Afgstn
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It did have a serious engine fire as far as i know and it was part of a flight of two that went across the pond to a dusty place a few weeks ago but i'm assuming enroute it had the incident and never made it there.
I Don't think it will be repaired at Fairford, i think it might be just staging through and will probably go back to Dyess like it is via a few more airfields on the way (Kef or Lajes?)
Surely with three engines (or will it have just two working) it is now limited to cross the pond the usual way and so will need to hop along via several places on the way?
I Don't think it will be repaired at Fairford, i think it might be just staging through and will probably go back to Dyess like it is via a few more airfields on the way (Kef or Lajes?)
Surely with three engines (or will it have just two working) it is now limited to cross the pond the usual way and so will need to hop along via several places on the way?
You havn't been through Al Udied recently, then!
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So you are possibly stating that it might reside at FFD a few days/weeks then and will be repaired?
Why not do it at the divert base? The engine was obviously taken out and picked up by a transport, which didn't go in with a replacement. Why not just fly it to Dyess like it is, it's obviously flown quite some distance in the first place with one engine missing.
So you are possibly stating that it might reside at FFD a few days/weeks then and will be repaired?
Why not do it at the divert base? The engine was obviously taken out and picked up by a transport, which didn't go in with a replacement. Why not just fly it to Dyess like it is, it's obviously flown quite some distance in the first place with one engine missing.
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http://www.usa-federal-forms.com/air...i11-2b-1v3.pdf
See para 7.15 -
"7.15.3. Aircraft Operations with One Engine Inoperative. Takeoffs with one engine inoperative from start of takeoff roll are prohibited. During emergency evacuation, launching an aircraft with one engine inoperative may be accomplished at the wing commander’s discretion or when directed by
higher headquarters."
AAR prohibited too...
Was there an evacuation from an as yet undisclosed airfield, or is someone making up new rules as they go along?
See para 7.15 -
"7.15.3. Aircraft Operations with One Engine Inoperative. Takeoffs with one engine inoperative from start of takeoff roll are prohibited. During emergency evacuation, launching an aircraft with one engine inoperative may be accomplished at the wing commander’s discretion or when directed by
higher headquarters."
AAR prohibited too...
Was there an evacuation from an as yet undisclosed airfield, or is someone making up new rules as they go along?
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Well I imagine Rockwell and the USAF had a three engined ferry (that’s one engine removed) written into the Ops Manual from day one. Military aircraft – needs must.
I don’t imagine that someone down the line thought ‘Stuff it – let’s just go on the three we’ve got’. Standard practice – when required – guaranteed.
By the way, "When I was On V-Bombers" .............
I don’t imagine that someone down the line thought ‘Stuff it – let’s just go on the three we’ve got’. Standard practice – when required – guaranteed.
By the way, "When I was On V-Bombers" .............
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Originally Posted by D-IFF_ident
"7.15.3. Aircraft Operations with One Engine Inoperative. Takeoffs with one engine inoperative from start of takeoff roll are prohibited. During emergency evacuation, launching an aircraft with one engine inoperative may be accomplished at the wing commander’s discretion or when directed by
higher headquarters."
higher headquarters."
So takeoffs with one engine inoperative from start of takeoff roll are prohibited eh...
So where's the inoperative engine? ..... They took it out before the take off.... Started with 3 working engines fitted.......
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The B-1B had the engine fire last week. It's been sitting on the ramp wherever it diverted too for that long. Its been hopping along from base to base i'd say on minimal fuel and only two of the three engines.
I think it will hop along more to Dyess via as i said, one of the Atlantic divert bases either Keflavik or Lajes.
I Should imagine it would need to go the land hopping route because surely if you are in an aircraft cleared to cross the pond with 4 engines, and you have one engine missing, and possibly only using two of the three then this would be a limitation on what way you could go over the Atlantic (like ETOPS or whatever it is called)...
I think it will hop along more to Dyess via as i said, one of the Atlantic divert bases either Keflavik or Lajes.
I Should imagine it would need to go the land hopping route because surely if you are in an aircraft cleared to cross the pond with 4 engines, and you have one engine missing, and possibly only using two of the three then this would be a limitation on what way you could go over the Atlantic (like ETOPS or whatever it is called)...