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Ricky
I know you're cross, but:
1) You can't guarantee that you'd be the best pilot;
2) your latest post admits you DO have hayfever on your records because you suffered it yourself - so you lied to us initially, which backs up my point about integrity; and
3) It is very wrong to give someone else your prescription drugs - you never know what the side effects might be,and how they might react on someone else. You could argue that hayfever medicine isn't the same as, say, warfarin - but if you aren't a doctor, it is ALWAYS wrong to pass on prescription drugs to soneone else.
PN made the point that the RAF can pick and choose as they like - medical problems that have the potential to cause difficulties are an easy way to thin out the field; they're looking for the best applicants they can find - which means perfect health, a perfect application, and, of course, applicants who can demostrate the highest standards of integrity, loyalty, honesty ...
If you'd come on here and said "I had hayfever, but haven't had symptoms for years and years, how can I demonstrate that to the RAF?" we might have had some sympathy - but if you start off by lying to us, please don't expect us to try and help you find ways to hoodwink a system which is in place for good reason.
I know you're cross, but:
1) You can't guarantee that you'd be the best pilot;
2) your latest post admits you DO have hayfever on your records because you suffered it yourself - so you lied to us initially, which backs up my point about integrity; and
3) It is very wrong to give someone else your prescription drugs - you never know what the side effects might be,and how they might react on someone else. You could argue that hayfever medicine isn't the same as, say, warfarin - but if you aren't a doctor, it is ALWAYS wrong to pass on prescription drugs to soneone else.
PN made the point that the RAF can pick and choose as they like - medical problems that have the potential to cause difficulties are an easy way to thin out the field; they're looking for the best applicants they can find - which means perfect health, a perfect application, and, of course, applicants who can demostrate the highest standards of integrity, loyalty, honesty ...
If you'd come on here and said "I had hayfever, but haven't had symptoms for years and years, how can I demonstrate that to the RAF?" we might have had some sympathy - but if you start off by lying to us, please don't expect us to try and help you find ways to hoodwink a system which is in place for good reason.
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i come on here to SEEK ADVICE AND HELP!
but seems that theres few un-willing to do this!
but seems that theres few un-willing to do this!
That's life son... Not everyone everywhere has your best interests in mind. There are some who are far too tied up in themselves to give a rats arse about you... and there are those that will wait till you ask for help and give you exactly the thing(s) you don't need... Like petrol when you are lying in the gutter on fire...
it was a repeat prescription for me, as i sufferred for a week and thought it would be sensible, however it seemed to die down while my dad was still suffering, so i gave him my medication to help him!
didnt realise taking from the fortunate and giving to the poor was a moral crime!
didnt realise taking from the fortunate and giving to the poor was a moral crime!
i dont come on here to take a patronisination, or to seek guidence on my computer literacy skills........ i come on here to SEEK ADVICE AND HELP in my career!
You made a mistake, it won't be your last... The sign of an adult is that you can make the mistake and accept the consequences...
you know what, dont bother replying anymore to this post, i dont want to know what you got to say!
PS: If you are thinking about picking me up on any spellings please, before you pipe up, make sure it isn't the American spelling I used... I've been here 20 years and I'm fed up of having my English underlined by my American computer...
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"PS: If you are thinking about picking me up on any spellings please, before you pipe up, make sure it isn't the American spelling I used... I've been here 20 years and I'm fed up of having my English underlined by my American computer... "
Agree with all the sentiments expressed, but can't resist this one:
- Should it not read "I'm fed up with having my English..."
Coat, get, etc
Stretch
"Agree with all the sentiments expressed, but can't resist this one:
- Should it not read "I'm fed up with having my English..."
Coat, get, etc
Stretch
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Ricky,
Having very recently gone through the exact same thing, I think I shall add my tupence
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Having wanted to be a military pilot since I've been able to comprehend what a job is, I went to apply directly after my A levels... to cut a long story short, I was honest, and despite no medical history of hay fever, I said I had suffered from symptoms (i.e. sneezing, don't know whether it was hay fever or not). Despite sending a doctors note up too Cranwell explaining that my medical records were clean; I too have been declared unfit for aircrew until 2010.
I know exactly how you feel, for me it was worse than when I lost a close relative a few years back... I felt destroyed (and incredibly stupid for mentioning it). Pick yourself up from it fella!... currently I'm deciding what to do next. I've been accepted to start a History degree next year, which I may well change to a BEng or BSc in Aeronautical engineering. Alternate to that, I am considering going forward for selection as a Rock officer, and looking at getting a transfer to pilot at a later date. Though I do not know how feasible this is.
You are the same age as me, cut off for RAF pilot is 24 to start IOT, and 26 to start RMAS for AAC. That leaves a fair few years to work with. Looked at Universities? As my boxing coaches say 'take it on the chin and crack on'... what the RAF docs have said, perhaps seems silly to the both of us. However, there's 'nowt' we can do about it other than make sure that we are better prepared and determined when we do get an opportunity to go for it
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I've deliberately not put this in a PM, any advice or criticism on my post/situation is welcome
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Having very recently gone through the exact same thing, I think I shall add my tupence
.Having wanted to be a military pilot since I've been able to comprehend what a job is, I went to apply directly after my A levels... to cut a long story short, I was honest, and despite no medical history of hay fever, I said I had suffered from symptoms (i.e. sneezing, don't know whether it was hay fever or not). Despite sending a doctors note up too Cranwell explaining that my medical records were clean; I too have been declared unfit for aircrew until 2010.
I know exactly how you feel, for me it was worse than when I lost a close relative a few years back... I felt destroyed (and incredibly stupid for mentioning it). Pick yourself up from it fella!... currently I'm deciding what to do next. I've been accepted to start a History degree next year, which I may well change to a BEng or BSc in Aeronautical engineering. Alternate to that, I am considering going forward for selection as a Rock officer, and looking at getting a transfer to pilot at a later date. Though I do not know how feasible this is.
You are the same age as me, cut off for RAF pilot is 24 to start IOT, and 26 to start RMAS for AAC. That leaves a fair few years to work with. Looked at Universities? As my boxing coaches say 'take it on the chin and crack on'... what the RAF docs have said, perhaps seems silly to the both of us. However, there's 'nowt' we can do about it other than make sure that we are better prepared and determined when we do get an opportunity to go for it
.I've deliberately not put this in a PM, any advice or criticism on my post/situation is welcome
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So you are a wheezy boy who can't spell/write too well, and who gives prescribed drugs to others.
Which part of the RAF do you think will benefit from your talents?
Which part of the RAF do you think will benefit from your talents?
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These threads are like a stuck record.
I've lost count of the number of enquiries like these over the time the board has existed and ultimately this has led to the "Joining the RAF" sticky, which is clearly still beyond some people.
If I was a mod on this board I'd be banning Wannabes. This is perhaps a little harsh and would deny some of you the sport of replying, however there are only ever going to be more of them. When I was about 9-years old I cut out the coupon from the sunday magazine and applied to join the Royal Navy
. Fair play to them, I got a response, but as your average kid becomes even more I.T literate you will find yourselves entertaining wannabe enquiries from ten year olds.
You do your respective services proud in replying, but some of them, FFS, the answers to their questions are all out there and it doesn't matter what they pick up through flirting with their future on here, it won't help. Use your initiative!!!!!
Yours bitter and twisted, rolling out the wrong side of bed.
Duckandcover.
I've lost count of the number of enquiries like these over the time the board has existed and ultimately this has led to the "Joining the RAF" sticky, which is clearly still beyond some people.
If I was a mod on this board I'd be banning Wannabes. This is perhaps a little harsh and would deny some of you the sport of replying, however there are only ever going to be more of them. When I was about 9-years old I cut out the coupon from the sunday magazine and applied to join the Royal Navy
. Fair play to them, I got a response, but as your average kid becomes even more I.T literate you will find yourselves entertaining wannabe enquiries from ten year olds.You do your respective services proud in replying, but some of them, FFS, the answers to their questions are all out there and it doesn't matter what they pick up through flirting with their future on here, it won't help. Use your initiative!!!!!
Yours bitter and twisted, rolling out the wrong side of bed.
Duckandcover.
"is it possible to train as a gunner or some thing and then train as pilot at a later date or not?"
There is no basic reason why, if you join the RAF Regiment in 'the ranks' as a Gunner, you should not eventually apply for commissioning and pilot training. Provided, that is, you pass selection for the Regiment in the first place. See http://www.raf.mod.uk/careers/jobs/r...mentgunner.cfm
Arters, actually I think you'll find that there are quite a few door gunners on SH aircraft these days.
There is no basic reason why, if you join the RAF Regiment in 'the ranks' as a Gunner, you should not eventually apply for commissioning and pilot training. Provided, that is, you pass selection for the Regiment in the first place. See http://www.raf.mod.uk/careers/jobs/r...mentgunner.cfm
Arters, actually I think you'll find that there are quite a few door gunners on SH aircraft these days.
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Although I have some sympathy for your situation, it may also help if you spell-checked your initial input as it does not give the impression of someone who concentrates on attention to detail.....useful for aircrew? 
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CraigJ,
Sorry to hear of your recent disappointment. However, with the sound thought process you appear to demonstrate, I'm sure you will eventually succeed in your quest. Good luck.
Ricky,
Decide what you want to do. Is your major objective to fly, or to fly in the RAF in particular? If it's simply to fly, go civvy. If it's only with the RAF, join the Regiment as a gunner and then re-muster in 2010. Good luck.
Sorry to hear of your recent disappointment. However, with the sound thought process you appear to demonstrate, I'm sure you will eventually succeed in your quest. Good luck.
Ricky,
Decide what you want to do. Is your major objective to fly, or to fly in the RAF in particular? If it's simply to fly, go civvy. If it's only with the RAF, join the Regiment as a gunner and then re-muster in 2010. Good luck.
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These threads are like a stuck record.
I've lost count of the number of enquiries like these over the time the board has existed and ultimately this has led to the "Joining the RAF" sticky, which is clearly still beyond some people.
If I was a mod on this board I'd be banning Wannabes. This is perhaps a little harsh and would deny some of you the sport of replying, however there are only ever going to be more of them. When I was about 9-years old I cut out the coupon from the sunday magazine and applied to join the Royal Navy. Fair play to them, I got a response, but as your average kid becomes even more I.T literate you will find yourselves entertaining wannabe enquiries from ten year olds.
You do your respective services proud in replying, but some of them, FFS, the answers to their questions are all out there and it doesn't matter what they pick up through flirting with their future on here, it won't help. Use your initiative!!!!!
Yours bitter and twisted, rolling out the wrong side of bed.
Duckandcover.
I've lost count of the number of enquiries like these over the time the board has existed and ultimately this has led to the "Joining the RAF" sticky, which is clearly still beyond some people.
If I was a mod on this board I'd be banning Wannabes. This is perhaps a little harsh and would deny some of you the sport of replying, however there are only ever going to be more of them. When I was about 9-years old I cut out the coupon from the sunday magazine and applied to join the Royal Navy
. Fair play to them, I got a response, but as your average kid becomes even more I.T literate you will find yourselves entertaining wannabe enquiries from ten year olds.You do your respective services proud in replying, but some of them, FFS, the answers to their questions are all out there and it doesn't matter what they pick up through flirting with their future on here, it won't help. Use your initiative!!!!!
Yours bitter and twisted, rolling out the wrong side of bed.
Duckandcover.
Now we have the internet, Google and instant satisfaction, although Google seems beyond comprehension by many, unless that is how they find pprune in the first place.
deny some of you the sport of replying
As for enquires from 10 year olds, it still happens. Dads arrive, 10 year old in tow (or the other way around). The advice is always the same - work hard get your GCSEs. It may be obvious but coming from an RAF officer may just be the spur they need.
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How many times have we seen a brat come on here to gripe about a medical/recruitment problem, get given advice they didn't want to hear then throw their teddies out of the pram? Ricky-wantsaslap is just the latest example of a sad trend.
Why can't people accept that not every piece of advice they get given will be pleasing to hear? After all, a typical debrief in training isn't exactly a hug-fest...
Why can't people accept that not every piece of advice they get given will be pleasing to hear? After all, a typical debrief in training isn't exactly a hug-fest...
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This makes such depressing reading, but not for the obvious reasons. One has to be so politically correct these days. People get offended if contributors here are told by someone they have appalling literacy, and maybe it was not a sensible or honest thing to do to lie about minor savings in prescriptions and then try and lie out of the situation. But that is the way it is now- at least it wasn't 'text speak'! Ricky has been told 'not now, try later'. I would have thought this gave him, if he is as dedicated as he claims, to put down the Playstation and enrol in extra classes in English literacy and perhaps Maths, and rather than expect it all to fall into his lap, do all he can to correct his shortfalls, whether he perceives them now or not, and give himself the best chance next time around. It all depends on dedication. But I have been quite appalled at standards and unreasonable expectations here.
Do people understand at school that eventually semi-literacy will not be acceptable for advancement? That serious advice from your betters should be carefully absorbed, and it might not be an adequate reaction to throw a tantrum and get abusive?
Do people understand at school that eventually semi-literacy will not be acceptable for advancement? That serious advice from your betters should be carefully absorbed, and it might not be an adequate reaction to throw a tantrum and get abusive?
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After all, a typical debrief in training isn't exactly a hug-fest...
One has to be so politically correct these days.
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at least it wasn't 'text speak'!
do all he can to correct his shortfalls, whether he perceives them now or not
). It's also easier to pretend you are learning "vital skills" on that Playstation than to do silly things like study. Come on now, who needs maths to fly? Your instruments tell you all you need to know... 
Do people understand at school that eventually semi-literacy will not be acceptable for advancement?
PS Rainboe: I'm not picking on you... Your post just gave me some "rant material"...
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You're all wrong, I reckon the kid has promise. At least he's got some spunk, certainly told you lot where to get off.
When exactly did you need a degree in English to be a Fighter Pilot, some of the best I worked with were as thick as I was. AND if he can lie he might be half decent at spoof!
Give the cub a break...
When exactly did you need a degree in English to be a Fighter Pilot, some of the best I worked with were as thick as I was. AND if he can lie he might be half decent at spoof!
Give the cub a break...
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Originally Posted by Rainboe
at least it wasn't 'text speak'!
TTFN!