France seeks to Rejoin NATO Military Force
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Historically, we've been enemies of France for decades. Suits me fine. They've been protected by the umbrella of NATO free, for many years now and want to 'rejoin'? No way. I've been on many exercises with the French Air Force and I've liked every man without exception. Very Professional. However, politically, when crunch time comes, if it's not good for France, they won't contribute - as always. Further to that, I've still not forgiven them for the continuing supply of Exocet's DURING the Falklands conflict.
On another note, I understand that the only 2 accepted languages for RT procedures are English & French?
How many Frenchmen does it take to defend Paris?
Don't know - it's never been tried.
On another note, I understand that the only 2 accepted languages for RT procedures are English & French?
How many Frenchmen does it take to defend Paris?
Don't know - it's never been tried.
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I doubt very much France saved money, as hinted, by leaving the "military" NATO: "Force de Frappe" (can't spell the "PC" name!) with Mirage IV's, IRBM's, SLBM's and appropriate nuclear weapons didn't come cheap. (Third largest nuclear force in the world).
Historically, we've been enemies of France for decades.
Of late it seems that the conversation revolves around the fact that they can fly and speak English at the same time... I hardly feel like that is a good basis for a new world order... Maybe it's just me...
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I read with with interest, however was it not Genaral MacArthur that once said:
"I would rather a German division in front of me, than a French one behind me"
Interesting!
"I would rather a German division in front of me, than a French one behind me"
Interesting!
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I have a simple question that I have never had a satisfactory and honest answer to:-
Who, as a nation, (other than the French), really like the French?
Not "tolerate", "do business with" or any other form of "acceptance". I mean "Like", as in "go bezzering with", "would introduce your sister to" type of like...
Who, as a nation, (other than the French), really like the French?
Not "tolerate", "do business with" or any other form of "acceptance". I mean "Like", as in "go bezzering with", "would introduce your sister to" type of like...
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Who, as a nation, (other than the French), really like the French?
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Airborne Crew: Enemies for decades....
I was addressing my comments to the living....however,
They're still a bunch of mealy mouthed politicians who can't be trusted militarily, unless there's something in it for them.
I was addressing my comments to the living....however,
They're still a bunch of mealy mouthed politicians who can't be trusted militarily, unless there's something in it for them.
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I wonder if the French, just like an insecure child may have an imaginary friend, have imaginary friendly nations....Just a thought ?
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You, Sir, are a genius... Well done... Take two weeks leave, (if you can)
I thought PPruNe was a serious forum where you could discuss with other aerospace professionals.
Didn't know It was the WC of fvckfrance.com
Didn't know It was the WC of fvckfrance.com
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Now that's a well thought out and perfectly presented point that I have never considered before. You're right, it's quite possible that the French _think_ they have friends, when they don't, thus making them imaginary... and, since they function at a national level they may think they have nations as friends...
Clear Right:
You, Sir, are a genius... Well done... Take two weeks leave, (if you can)
Clear Right:
You, Sir, are a genius... Well done... Take two weeks leave, (if you can)
I seem to remember that thet esteemed organ of the British tabloid press "The Sun" conducted a survey in Paris to get the French view of themselves.
The answer perhaps not surprisingly was that the French didn't actually like the French.
Worth remembering that they suffered 6,000 casualties at Gallipoli.
The answer perhaps not surprisingly was that the French didn't actually like the French.
Worth remembering that they suffered 6,000 casualties at Gallipoli.
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PingDit quote-
"I've still not forgiven them for the continuing supply of Exocet's DURING the Falklands conflict"
I thought they actually helped the UK prevent anymore going south during the war?
"I've still not forgiven them for the continuing supply of Exocet's DURING the Falklands conflict"
I thought they actually helped the UK prevent anymore going south during the war?
I don't own this space under my name. I should have leased it while I still could
:1.4G, must be good stuff you had there last night. Enabled a well typed monolgue of scribble. What was your point?
I belive there was an incontrovertible report, from reliable jounralistic sources, that French technicians were serving with the Argentines.
OTOH it could have been disingenuous b*****t and propaganda, but jounrnalists would never get it wrong, would they?
Anyone got a mirror around?
The Finns hate the Russians, the Russians hate the Germans, the Danes hate the Germans etc etc
Only the British don't care that no one loves us. Why should they? We know they all look up on us in admiration.
As I recall, the Fontainebleau HQ was temporary seco huts anyway and there might have been a row over who got the new building contracts as well. Commercial interests interfering> Never.
PingDit quote-
"I've still not forgiven them for the continuing supply of Exocet's DURING the Falklands conflict"
I thought they actually helped the UK prevent anymore going south during the war?
"I've still not forgiven them for the continuing supply of Exocet's DURING the Falklands conflict"
I thought they actually helped the UK prevent anymore going south during the war?
OTOH it could have been disingenuous b*****t and propaganda, but jounrnalists would never get it wrong, would they?
Who, as a nation, (other than the French), really like the French?
The Finns hate the Russians, the Russians hate the Germans, the Danes hate the Germans etc etc
Only the British don't care that no one loves us. Why should they? We know they all look up on us in admiration.
As I recall, the Fontainebleau HQ was temporary seco huts anyway and there might have been a row over who got the new building contracts as well. Commercial interests interfering> Never.
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Could you quote one friend of the USA other than France ? (beware, there is a trap)
I'll put forward Taiwan as a friend of the USA, (and that took no thought whatsoever), Japan are pretty keen too...
As to "what the French did in the Falklands, Sir John Nott, (the defense Secretary at the time), said in his book:-
"In so many ways Mitterrand and the French were our greatest allies," Sir John says. As soon as the conflict began, France made available to Britain Super-Etendard and Mirage aircraft - which it had supplied to Argentina - so Harrier pilots could train against them.
The French gave Britain information on the Exocet - which sank the Sheffield and Atlantic Conveyor - showing how to tamper with it.
The French gave Britain information on the Exocet - which sank the Sheffield and Atlantic Conveyor - showing how to tamper with it.
Does that make me "all warm and fuzzy" about the French? Not at all, they knew darned well that if they didn't help us deal with the threat posed by weapons they had sold to an unstable government then they would suffer in the future in dealings in Europe. IOW, it wasn't a magnanimous gesture from the heart, they were still looking at cold, hard cash.
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France has always done what's in Frances best interests. Nothing wrong with that I hear you say. But here's the rub, they have a will screw over their so called allies each and every time they see some advantage. 
The clue is in the article, so the US will approve a pan European force. One in which they pull the strings. This is an exercise in trying to sideline the US in Europe. If you think this is anything other than an French attempt to further their agenda I have second hand Ford Escort for sale, perfect working order and only 10,000 miles on the clock.
They bring nothing new to the table and are only interested in what's in it for them. Non!!!
The clue is in the article, so the US will approve a pan European force. One in which they pull the strings. This is an exercise in trying to sideline the US in Europe. If you think this is anything other than an French attempt to further their agenda I have second hand Ford Escort for sale, perfect working order and only 10,000 miles on the clock.
They bring nothing new to the table and are only interested in what's in it for them. Non!!!
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A.A.
Maybe, but de Gaulle made it very clear where all those expensive "nukes" were pointing. (i.e. "East").
How many NATO countries "fulfilled" their obligations during those years? Denmark certainly didn't, freewheling on interesting basing options, hoping that U.S., British, Dutch and Belgian aircraft would get here in time.
Somebody said the French couldn't/wouldn't. Just correcting that.
that's a very naive and simplistic view. Had they had to fulfill their responsibility to NATO would they have had the money for all that? Of course not!
How many NATO countries "fulfilled" their obligations during those years? Denmark certainly didn't, freewheling on interesting basing options, hoping that U.S., British, Dutch and Belgian aircraft would get here in time.
...they can fly and speak English at the same time...
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France seeks to rejoin NATO
I have been following this thread with some mirth especially the comments about the 'politico's'.
Here in Canada it is a continuous issue by a few provincial politicians that Quebec is a 'Nation' within or without Canada I'm not to sure. A poor waste of money; how many more years we will have to put up with this is an unknown. Just imagine what will happen if France rejoins the military wing of NATO!!!!!
Good luck.
Here in Canada it is a continuous issue by a few provincial politicians that Quebec is a 'Nation' within or without Canada I'm not to sure. A poor waste of money; how many more years we will have to put up with this is an unknown. Just imagine what will happen if France rejoins the military wing of NATO!!!!!
Good luck.