The enemy within?
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From: 250 ft agl
The enemy within?
Whilst we are away fighting campaigns on two fronts, have we forgotten our prime goal- to defend our own country? I'm not being "racialist" but we seem to have an enemy within (and flooding in) that no-one will stand up to as our Lords and Masters are too politically correct to stop them all coming in. I have yet to meet any of them joining to fight for Britain, despite all of the roadshows and visits that the CRO/ MCO/ whatever the media people are called this week keep sending me itineries for.
Surely we should be looking after the security of our own country above doing whatever we are failing to achieve further east (yes, I've been out there twice and done my bit, and been shot at- but I don't tell my Mum that I've been shot at as it would worry her...
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If we are to be a credible force in the eyes of the public, we need to be seen here, defending our country rather than just a quick 2 minutes on the news in places that most of the public could not spell..
Surley the military, and not the police should be defending OUR country???
Just my opinion...
SMT
Surely we should be looking after the security of our own country above doing whatever we are failing to achieve further east (yes, I've been out there twice and done my bit, and been shot at- but I don't tell my Mum that I've been shot at as it would worry her...
).If we are to be a credible force in the eyes of the public, we need to be seen here, defending our country rather than just a quick 2 minutes on the news in places that most of the public could not spell..
Surley the military, and not the police should be defending OUR country???
Just my opinion...
SMT
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From: Punxsutawney
I'm not being "racialist" but
Remember not all Muslims are terrorists but all of the recent terrorists have been Muslims.
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Very interesting, factual, and not racial, SMT, not least because "the enemy within "as you describe it, is presumably highly motivated by the fact that "we are away fighting campaigns on two fronts".
Whilst 1.4g's last sentence is perfectly correct, his first sentence shows that he has completely missed the point - to rephrase the sign hung in Bill Clinton's campaign headquarters, "It's the enemy within, stupid!"
Jack
PS Don't forget MI5
Whilst 1.4g's last sentence is perfectly correct, his first sentence shows that he has completely missed the point - to rephrase the sign hung in Bill Clinton's campaign headquarters, "It's the enemy within, stupid!"
Jack
PS Don't forget MI5
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PS Don't forget MI5
However, SMT has a very valid point and one I am afraid that the current political establishment has no stomach to deal with - even though they have been roundly criticized for their 'multiculturalist' policies.
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From: Hong Kong
I gave up living in UK a long time ago. The level of denial that the society is living in, is quite stunning. Not for a long time has political expediency been served so blatantly and with such impudent disregard for those with whose ancestors built and defended the British Isles and expected their antecedents to do so.
I remember a bumper sticker in Florida twenty years ago when there was a great wave of Cuban immigration. "Would the last American to leave Florida, please bring the flag".
Well, would the last Brit to leave.............
I remember a bumper sticker in Florida twenty years ago when there was a great wave of Cuban immigration. "Would the last American to leave Florida, please bring the flag".
Well, would the last Brit to leave.............
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From: Scotland
SMT,
I see you are using the old xenophobe caveat clause “I am not a racist but…..”
As if that is enough counterbalance the rubbish that follows.
“to defend our own country”
From what, legal immigration?
“I have yet to meet any of them joining to fight for Britain”
Aye god forbid that those coming here do so to better themselves rather than be sent abroad again to fight illegal wars.
Somehow I think that if all these people were coming from Canada or Australia you would not be so het up.
It offends me that in the 21st century we still have to deal with ignorant racists but thankfully they are a dying breed. Maybe I will live long enough to see it die out forever, now there is a dream worth fighting for.
I will not sign off with my usual “Cheers” as I do not think it is appropriate here.
BHR
I see you are using the old xenophobe caveat clause “I am not a racist but…..”
As if that is enough counterbalance the rubbish that follows.
“to defend our own country”
From what, legal immigration?
“I have yet to meet any of them joining to fight for Britain”
Aye god forbid that those coming here do so to better themselves rather than be sent abroad again to fight illegal wars.
Somehow I think that if all these people were coming from Canada or Australia you would not be so het up.
It offends me that in the 21st century we still have to deal with ignorant racists but thankfully they are a dying breed. Maybe I will live long enough to see it die out forever, now there is a dream worth fighting for.
I will not sign off with my usual “Cheers” as I do not think it is appropriate here.
BHR
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From: Lincolnshire
I believe that you will find that it is in hand. You may recall that the PM appointed Adml West as security supremo for just the purpose of protecting the country from an enemy within.
It is true that the armed forces role is to defend UK and also our interests overseas. At home however the armed forces are subordinated to the civil authorities. In requesting military aid to the civil power primacy rests with the civilian authorities until such time as it is officially transfered - viz Ultimate Force
The last thing I would want, from either side of the fence, is a squadie with a machine gun on a bridge.
It is true that the armed forces role is to defend UK and also our interests overseas. At home however the armed forces are subordinated to the civil authorities. In requesting military aid to the civil power primacy rests with the civilian authorities until such time as it is officially transfered - viz Ultimate Force
The last thing I would want, from either side of the fence, is a squadie with a machine gun on a bridge.
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From: Somerset
I think the enemy within may be working in the Treasury:
http://business.timesonline.co.uk/to...cle2441602.ece
Sorry - bit of thread hijack
http://business.timesonline.co.uk/to...cle2441602.ece
Sorry - bit of thread hijack
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From: UK
I think the OP revealed the extent of his problem by admitting that "I have yet to meet any of them joining to fight for Britain", when there are many in the police, security services, and yes, even the armed forces.
His next line will be "oh, yes, but I don't mean black people/the Muslim chap I know/the British Indian RAF pilot" (delete as appropriate) - the mark of a true racist, who generalises, but makes exceptions for the few he does know.
And yes, I do know of British ethnic minorities in the armed forces, but perhaps the reason they are not in the armed forces straight of the boat is that it might, in itself, be an inappropriate security risk...! Damned if you do...damned if you don't.
His next line will be "oh, yes, but I don't mean black people/the Muslim chap I know/the British Indian RAF pilot" (delete as appropriate) - the mark of a true racist, who generalises, but makes exceptions for the few he does know.
And yes, I do know of British ethnic minorities in the armed forces, but perhaps the reason they are not in the armed forces straight of the boat is that it might, in itself, be an inappropriate security risk...! Damned if you do...damned if you don't.
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From: Middle England
I'm not quite sure which group SMT was referring to with the '...flooding in...' comment, or that he had not seen any of them serving this country. However, perhaps this link will serve to remind him that many parts of the community are proud to serve:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/5144526.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/5144526.stm
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From: Northumberland
What is needed is effective Border Control. I have no issue with legal immigration and anyone who can contribute to the Nation, irrespective of colour/religion is welcome IMHO.
What we do not need though, is a Border open to abuse from those who indulge in criminal activities, be it smuggling, trafficking or whatever.
Therefore, I would like to see a uniformed force (NOT the Armed Forces), controlled by the state, that is present 24/7 at every point of entry including small ports etc. Also, a beefed up Coastguard that can effectively police our territorial waters for the same purpose. More importantly, they will be employed to control entry, not fill in forms and compile statistics (like are useless Police Service).
It would not erradicate the problem but it would make a big dent in it.
Perhaps an immediate start would be to stop using the British Army to protect the Afghanistan Opium Crops.
Just a thought.
What we do not need though, is a Border open to abuse from those who indulge in criminal activities, be it smuggling, trafficking or whatever.
Therefore, I would like to see a uniformed force (NOT the Armed Forces), controlled by the state, that is present 24/7 at every point of entry including small ports etc. Also, a beefed up Coastguard that can effectively police our territorial waters for the same purpose. More importantly, they will be employed to control entry, not fill in forms and compile statistics (like are useless Police Service).
It would not erradicate the problem but it would make a big dent in it.
Perhaps an immediate start would be to stop using the British Army to protect the Afghanistan Opium Crops.
Just a thought.
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From: Lincolnshire
There is indeed a residency requirement for officers.
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From: The Luberon
The Swiss seem to be upsetting a few of them;
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/low/europe/6992670.stm
Maybe they have the right idea.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/low/europe/6992670.stm
Maybe they have the right idea.
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From: UK
Perhaps an immediate start would be to stop using the British Army to protect the Afghanistan Opium Crops.
The Swiss who propose such laws are a bunch of racists.
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From: Exiled in England
A religius problem. I think you will find it is a "Misuse of religion". I did have a brief nose in the Koran? Quran? sorry don't mean to offend through poor spelling. I failed to find any mention of suicide bombings, mass killings etc etc etc.
Like most faith's Islam has its fair share of maniacs. Unfortunately these people attract the fringe minorities and cause lots of trouble.
Like most faith's Islam has its fair share of maniacs. Unfortunately these people attract the fringe minorities and cause lots of trouble.
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From: Liverpool
The Media
Answering Nº1 post, everyone prefers to solve popular problems. It happens with the third world, too; people prefer to save a poor South-American than save a poor British kid, basically because the South-American is on the TV.
People are more concerned about Maddie than they are about much worse cases that are around, basically because Maddie is on the TV.
People are more afraid of flying then driving, even though driving is 500 times more dangerous, basically because a plane crash gets on TV. (had to add this ‘cuz this topic has nothing to do with aviation...)
People (including the government) are more interested in Afghanistan and Iraq then in ANY inner affair, because Iraq and Afghanistan are on the TV.
Communications Media have all the power.
Matt D. Lewis
People are more concerned about Maddie than they are about much worse cases that are around, basically because Maddie is on the TV.
People are more afraid of flying then driving, even though driving is 500 times more dangerous, basically because a plane crash gets on TV. (had to add this ‘cuz this topic has nothing to do with aviation...)
People (including the government) are more interested in Afghanistan and Iraq then in ANY inner affair, because Iraq and Afghanistan are on the TV.
Communications Media have all the power.
Matt D. Lewis
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From: LV426.
Why here?
Personally, i log on to this forum in order to read about military aviation. Some of the stuff may be rumours posted by those who have a sketchy grasp on the facts but that's part of the fun.
If i want to read ill-informed rubbish about the topical issues of the day - be it immigration, house prices or how Prince Phillip murdered the Queen of All Our Hearts, then i can pick up a copy of the Express/Mail/Sun in the mess.
Finally, if you can't keep off this kind of topic, it pays to actually do some kind of research. You can avoid looking foolish and (possibly) develop a coherent argument that doesn't rely on hearsay, conjecture and stereotyping.
If i want to read ill-informed rubbish about the topical issues of the day - be it immigration, house prices or how Prince Phillip murdered the Queen of All Our Hearts, then i can pick up a copy of the Express/Mail/Sun in the mess.
Finally, if you can't keep off this kind of topic, it pays to actually do some kind of research. You can avoid looking foolish and (possibly) develop a coherent argument that doesn't rely on hearsay, conjecture and stereotyping.
