Herc in heavy landing in 'Stan?
Herc in heavy landing in 'Stan?
Just seen on BBC SW that we trashed a herc in Afghanistan, C-130 K in heavy night landing subsequently destroyed by our own troops. Any further news? Can't find anything on the web... Also an interview with Nigegilb
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Just watched it on BBC SW and whilst I normally find myself in agreement with a lot of what Nige says his proposal that we should simply supply a few more troops go out to secure the crash sight to allow engineers in to fix the A/C in situ is really quite barking, and I am sure will be used by some in the future to question his credibility 
PS IAW the new "leakage" mandate there was no way anyone was going to put this on Prune in advance of the media publishing it
PS IAW the new "leakage" mandate there was no way anyone was going to put this on Prune in advance of the media publishing it
Not another one of the C1P minifleet, surely?
So it's one shot down, one destroyed after running over a mine (and subsequently burned out), and one destroyed in Kosovo.
And the -130J blown up by our own people after damaging a wing and engines (another mined strip incident?).
So it's one shot down, one destroyed after running over a mine (and subsequently burned out), and one destroyed in Kosovo.
And the -130J blown up by our own people after damaging a wing and engines (another mined strip incident?).
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Yea, have to agree with SFFP. BBC were running this story tonight regardless. I had reason to believe there was a force protection issue which I now know to be incorrect. I will take it on the chin. The wider points about operational impact and serious training concerns remain valid.
4 Hercs down in Iraq and Afg and the Govt has still not decided if it will replace these aircraft.
I doubt if any allowance was made for the loss of these aircraft or crew.
Thankfully, in this case the crew walked away.
MoD/RAF confirmed a MK 1 Herc was destroyed.
4 Hercs down in Iraq and Afg and the Govt has still not decided if it will replace these aircraft.
I doubt if any allowance was made for the loss of these aircraft or crew.
Thankfully, in this case the crew walked away.
MoD/RAF confirmed a MK 1 Herc was destroyed.
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Until, or if, we learn more, the only thing to say now is thank goodness everyone involved is safe. Given that this forum is communicating less now, thanks to our "open" government, that sentiment goes for all you guys and girls. Stay safe and let us at home do our best to try to make it a little safer still for you all by insisting that the duty of care is properly met.
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TQ,
With you in that sentiment.
Nige,
A reply like that is as rare as a senior officer sending messages UP the chain admitting things are not quite right and I take my hat off to you, well done sir
With you in that sentiment.
Nige,
A reply like that is as rare as a senior officer sending messages UP the chain admitting things are not quite right and I take my hat off to you, well done sir
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SFFP, thank you.
I am still pretty new to this game. I learned to sit on my hands for a while longer tonight, no point pretending otherwise.
As you intimated, the reason force protection was not so much of an issue in this case was because of the damage to the aircraft.
I am still pretty new to this game. I learned to sit on my hands for a while longer tonight, no point pretending otherwise.
As you intimated, the reason force protection was not so much of an issue in this case was because of the damage to the aircraft.
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Nige,
Having previously witnessed first hand the media "stitching" Caz Leavey rest assured earlier this evening I would have bet my mortgage you had been stiffed in a similar manner, so please excuse my comments.
Having read all of your previous posts on here and of the belief that you are nothing but extremely well intentioned by all means occasionally sit on your hands but please don't make a habit of it
Having previously witnessed first hand the media "stitching" Caz Leavey rest assured earlier this evening I would have bet my mortgage you had been stiffed in a similar manner, so please excuse my comments.
Having read all of your previous posts on here and of the belief that you are nothing but extremely well intentioned by all means occasionally sit on your hands but please don't make a habit of it
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If the BBC had any sense they'd keep the Station Barber on a retainer.
Or me.
Eleven missed calls since this post went on Prune, (just got back) and was safely asleep on the sofa.
Or me.
Eleven missed calls since this post went on Prune, (just got back) and was safely asleep on the sofa.
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Wotcha k1rb5
Sorry, misled you there, crew change and frame swaparound happened a couple of days before the incident.
Came back on a C17 though, and the GE was a rival to my crown.
I'm amazed everone's okay. A bit of whiplash or a jarred back would set you up nicely for the Rugby World Cup!
Sorry, misled you there, crew change and frame swaparound happened a couple of days before the incident.
Came back on a C17 though, and the GE was a rival to my crown.
I'm amazed everone's okay. A bit of whiplash or a jarred back would set you up nicely for the Rugby World Cup!
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Just heard from atruckie mate about this, and delighted all are OK. To hell with the aircraft, Gordon can replace it if and whenever he feels inclined.
Keep safe Guys and Girls.
TSM
Keep safe Guys and Girls.
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To hell with the aircraft, Gordon can replace it if and whenever he feels inclined.
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He'd rather waste money somewhere else than support our troops. Look at the equipment (or lack of equipment) that they have to use.
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He'd rather waste money somewhere else than support our troops. Look at the equipment (or lack of equipment) that they have to use.
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thank god that the crew are safe, that is of paramount importance.despite the fighting that i have done to to assist nige to ensure the safety of the remaining aircraft, it is for the safety of the crews and troops that we do it. i know all to well the pain of the crew not surviving when i lost bob, and yet the fight goes on.
to echo the comment made by TSM, yes to hell with the ac, but the notion that gordon...indeed anyone will ensure the safety of all ac and/or effective replacement of the ac is a notion too far, sadly. it is something that belongs in cloud cuckoo land which is unbelievably sad. the true cost of losing an ac and the crew has yet to hit home enough to the government and the powers that be so as to ensure a blanket safety to ALL hercules. it may take the loss of another crew before they get to realise the true cost and do something with out those of us left behind to fight.
i did not see the BBC piece, but having spent a year at the hands of the media they are very good at portraying their view and in accurate editing and portrayal of your views leads to confusion and mis repreasentation. all one has to do is see nige's track record and realise what a fantastic job he has done. i will always support nige, so must we all.
to echo the comment made by TSM, yes to hell with the ac, but the notion that gordon...indeed anyone will ensure the safety of all ac and/or effective replacement of the ac is a notion too far, sadly. it is something that belongs in cloud cuckoo land which is unbelievably sad. the true cost of losing an ac and the crew has yet to hit home enough to the government and the powers that be so as to ensure a blanket safety to ALL hercules. it may take the loss of another crew before they get to realise the true cost and do something with out those of us left behind to fight.
i did not see the BBC piece, but having spent a year at the hands of the media they are very good at portraying their view and in accurate editing and portrayal of your views leads to confusion and mis repreasentation. all one has to do is see nige's track record and realise what a fantastic job he has done. i will always support nige, so must we all.
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Glad to hear you weren't on board mate, although you have adequate padding for any heavy landing. Most glad that all of the crew are OK, shame about the frame, but frames can be replaced
eventually.
TBT
Glad to hear you weren't on board mate, although you have adequate padding for any heavy landing. Most glad that all of the crew are OK, shame about the frame, but frames can be replaced
eventually. TBT