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Amazing... Afterburner, don't let the wankers on here put you off. I don't recognise them from the Navy I know.
And for those that claim that he doesn't know anything - at least he knew that the RN has fast jets, which seems to be more than some have figured out...
And for those that claim that he doesn't know anything - at least he knew that the RN has fast jets, which seems to be more than some have figured out...
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AB2, technically the RN doesn't 'have' any fast jets. It commands people who fly jets commanded by someone else.
The JFH harriers are all 'owned' by 1 Gp, who are RAF. They are the operating authority and have all meaningful levels of command and control over them. The RN was, as was correctly stated, supposed to joint man JFH but couldn't. Again the overall reason for this is as previously spelt out....the FAA had relatively few FJ pilots, did nothing to stem the out-flow, not much to improve the in-flow, and was left with what it started with.
At the moment the RN 'has' the Naval Strike Wing....which is basically 800 NAS augmented by some people wearing 801 NAS badges. Essentially the RN will continue to appoint people to 801, but it doesn't really exist as a unit, it's a 'budget line' for manpower planners etc.
The aspiration for a four squadron construct still exists, but whether or not it will ever happen is open to debate. To generalise massively, dark blue policy makers want four squadrons, light blue chaps want three......anyone below the rank of Wg Cdr/ Cdr doesn't care and just wants to get on with business. (Which the chaps are very good at.)
Summary, yes you can fly FJ within JFH, on a FAA squadron, but the RN neither owns nor commands the aeroplanes.
Should this appear in anyway incoherent or confusing...welcome to the party!
The JFH harriers are all 'owned' by 1 Gp, who are RAF. They are the operating authority and have all meaningful levels of command and control over them. The RN was, as was correctly stated, supposed to joint man JFH but couldn't. Again the overall reason for this is as previously spelt out....the FAA had relatively few FJ pilots, did nothing to stem the out-flow, not much to improve the in-flow, and was left with what it started with.
At the moment the RN 'has' the Naval Strike Wing....which is basically 800 NAS augmented by some people wearing 801 NAS badges. Essentially the RN will continue to appoint people to 801, but it doesn't really exist as a unit, it's a 'budget line' for manpower planners etc.
The aspiration for a four squadron construct still exists, but whether or not it will ever happen is open to debate. To generalise massively, dark blue policy makers want four squadrons, light blue chaps want three......anyone below the rank of Wg Cdr/ Cdr doesn't care and just wants to get on with business. (Which the chaps are very good at.)
Summary, yes you can fly FJ within JFH, on a FAA squadron, but the RN neither owns nor commands the aeroplanes.
Should this appear in anyway incoherent or confusing...welcome to the party!
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The JFH harriers are all 'owned' by 1 Gp, who are RAF. They are the operating authority and have all meaningful levels of command and control over them. The RN was, as was correctly stated, supposed to joint man JFH but couldn't. Again the overall reason for this is as previously spelt out....the FAA had relatively few FJ pilots, did nothing to stem the out-flow, not much to improve the in-flow, and was left with what it started with.
At the moment the RN 'has' the Naval Strike Wing....which is basically 800 NAS augmented by some people wearing 801 NAS badges. Essentially the RN will continue to appoint people to 801, but it doesn't really exist as a unit, it's a 'budget line' for manpower planners etc.
The aspiration for a four squadron construct still exists, but whether or not it will ever happen is open to debate. To generalise massively, dark blue policy makers want four squadrons, light blue chaps want three......anyone below the rank of Wg Cdr/ Cdr doesn't care and just wants to get on with business. (Which the chaps are very good at.)
Summary, yes you can fly FJ within JFH, on a FAA squadron, but the RN neither owns nor commands the aeroplanes.
At the moment the RN 'has' the Naval Strike Wing....which is basically 800 NAS augmented by some people wearing 801 NAS badges. Essentially the RN will continue to appoint people to 801, but it doesn't really exist as a unit, it's a 'budget line' for manpower planners etc.
The aspiration for a four squadron construct still exists, but whether or not it will ever happen is open to debate. To generalise massively, dark blue policy makers want four squadrons, light blue chaps want three......anyone below the rank of Wg Cdr/ Cdr doesn't care and just wants to get on with business. (Which the chaps are very good at.)
Summary, yes you can fly FJ within JFH, on a FAA squadron, but the RN neither owns nor commands the aeroplanes.
I don't own this space under my name. I should have leased it while I still could
A fast-jet is an aircraft where you have to fly fast to get to the toilet as it is not big enough for a bathroom, galley or dining room. 
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My initial reaction is that you do not know enough, therefore you are not committed enough and you do not deserve to join and take the space of someone that is.
However I will engage my more helpful side along with the other 'tossers' who have aired their concerns and doubts.
If you are worried about being sick or when you can voluntary retire (volret or leave), you shouldnt join
If you are worried about being away from your wife, you should a)not join or b) join the RAF
If you do not know whether the RN has fast jets or not. Actually Im not sure how to politely answer that one.
If you dont realise that you will have 2 marriages and that your 1st one will be the least well served. If you cannot take the banter, the criticism etc. If you have not done your homework to the extent that you are sure in your knowledge that this is the hardest possible thing you are ever likely to do requiring 100% commitment. If these questions along with 'can i kill or be killed' and am i happy with what happens on tour, stays on tour and many more are not top of your agenda, you need to start from the beginning.
If I were still serving I would have the name of your 'liaison officer' however. Get yourself down to Culdrose, by appointment. Spend some time in the wardroom, talk to the guys and girls, see the atmosphere, fun, trepidation, intensity, professionalism, commitment and the officers and the 'gentlemen'
I am inclined to believe your questions are genuine, your commitment I am not!
However I will engage my more helpful side along with the other 'tossers' who have aired their concerns and doubts.
If you are worried about being sick or when you can voluntary retire (volret or leave), you shouldnt join
If you are worried about being away from your wife, you should a)not join or b) join the RAF
If you do not know whether the RN has fast jets or not. Actually Im not sure how to politely answer that one.
If you dont realise that you will have 2 marriages and that your 1st one will be the least well served. If you cannot take the banter, the criticism etc. If you have not done your homework to the extent that you are sure in your knowledge that this is the hardest possible thing you are ever likely to do requiring 100% commitment. If these questions along with 'can i kill or be killed' and am i happy with what happens on tour, stays on tour and many more are not top of your agenda, you need to start from the beginning.
If I were still serving I would have the name of your 'liaison officer' however. Get yourself down to Culdrose, by appointment. Spend some time in the wardroom, talk to the guys and girls, see the atmosphere, fun, trepidation, intensity, professionalism, commitment and the officers and the 'gentlemen'
I am inclined to believe your questions are genuine, your commitment I am not!
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Mate,
The type of banter you have been on the recieving end of is indentical to that you would experience every day if you made it through the training system. If it does not fit with you and you find it irritating then you should definately not join the navy. I can confirm that most of my colleagues could be described as tossers or wankers if you did not have a think enough skin to take the banter. You on the other hand seem to be positioned firmly in the bellend camp and i feel that you should take your short fuse and your large cheque to the airlines for some ego-fuelled **** flying.
yours
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The type of banter you have been on the recieving end of is indentical to that you would experience every day if you made it through the training system. If it does not fit with you and you find it irritating then you should definately not join the navy. I can confirm that most of my colleagues could be described as tossers or wankers if you did not have a think enough skin to take the banter. You on the other hand seem to be positioned firmly in the bellend camp and i feel that you should take your short fuse and your large cheque to the airlines for some ego-fuelled **** flying.
yours
otbl
