RAF Fitness Test - Soon to be twice a year!
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And to think that some folk in the military on active service in Afghanistan actually have the cheek to voice concerns about the attitude of some in today's RAF??!! They should read this thread I tell you!! That would set their minds at rest.
Perhaps we need to concentrate on getting leaders through Cranwell, and not glorified supervisors?
Perhaps we need to concentrate on getting leaders through Cranwell, and not glorified supervisors?
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blogger if you are in charge of troops
i think you are setting a poor example to the men/women you are leading. those test are there for a reason to prepare you for what may come your way. OOA operations! or do you get yourself out of those too
i think you are setting a poor example to the men/women you are leading. those test are there for a reason to prepare you for what may come your way. OOA operations! or do you get yourself out of those too
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I called it Pathetic because it's so simple to do.
8 press ups come on I would have to gain 20 stone to stop me doing 8 press ups. As for the run and the sit ups they are no real measure of fittness are they. The whole thing take less than 10/15 minutes to do. And only once a year.
Some test.
When someone says 'Hey Bloggs' get down the gym and do your fitness test i'll go and do it but until then I have a day job to do.
If I thought I was unfit or overweight then I sort it but I do not require a gym to do that.
Having never failed the test and... Once just having my card stamped for turning up. (PTI wanted to get off home.) another time we ran 4 or 5 lenghts and the PTI turned off the bleep tape and said thats fine..stamp on the card off we the trot. I cant see the point ...yes pathetic isn't it. Come on if that is happening to me how many others out there just get their card stamped for tunning up?
As for the trade ...trade group 2........but not for much longer....
8 press ups come on I would have to gain 20 stone to stop me doing 8 press ups. As for the run and the sit ups they are no real measure of fittness are they. The whole thing take less than 10/15 minutes to do. And only once a year.
Some test.When someone says 'Hey Bloggs' get down the gym and do your fitness test i'll go and do it but until then I have a day job to do.
If I thought I was unfit or overweight then I sort it but I do not require a gym to do that.
Having never failed the test and... Once just having my card stamped for turning up. (PTI wanted to get off home.) another time we ran 4 or 5 lenghts and the PTI turned off the bleep tape and said thats fine..stamp on the card off we the trot. I cant see the point ...yes pathetic isn't it. Come on if that is happening to me how many others out there just get their card stamped for tunning up?
As for the trade ...trade group 2........but not for much longer....
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blogger if you are in charge of troops
i think you are setting a poor example to the men/women you are leading. those test are there for a reason to prepare you for what may come your way. OOA operations! or do you get yourself out of those too
Oh come on 10/15 minute test once a year is preparing us for OOA op's...........
What happened to the climatic hardening we once were meant to do? Going down the gym to heat up our bodies? ......... scrapped that is what.....
i think you are setting a poor example to the men/women you are leading. those test are there for a reason to prepare you for what may come your way. OOA operations! or do you get yourself out of those too
Oh come on 10/15 minute test once a year is preparing us for OOA op's...........
What happened to the climatic hardening we once were meant to do? Going down the gym to heat up our bodies? ......... scrapped that is what.....
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Spot on
Exactly......... make it worth while and meaningfull....time to do it. etc etc
Progressive improvement to benifit the RAF and the individual.....and some feedback to the individual....... pay promotion etc.
As for going down the gym in lunch hour....... rather eat my lunch thanks.
Spot on
Exactly......... make it worth while and meaningfull....time to do it. etc etc
Progressive improvement to benifit the RAF and the individual.....and some feedback to the individual....... pay promotion etc.
As for going down the gym in lunch hour....... rather eat my lunch thanks.
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Best measure of real fittnes is your recovery time after exercise, how quick do you recover to start over again.
2 guys one very fit one not both run a mile in 7 minutes (so both pass the test....simple) however which one can run the next mile soonest?
The RAF fittness test.... tests you once a year and then you have 365 days to recover.
2 guys one very fit one not both run a mile in 7 minutes (so both pass the test....simple) however which one can run the next mile soonest?
The RAF fittness test.... tests you once a year and then you have 365 days to recover.
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Well that killed that thread.
The RAF has has no fittness measure and thats a fact. If you fail the pathetic test don't worry they can't afford to kick you out as we are short of troops. I was out in the sand pit lad working for me had not passed his test in 5 years still employed, still paid, even got his tapes!
So back to the point I am a bad leader because I do not do 10/15 minutes in the gym once a year........ bollox........ and I have guys asking for a day off or even a week off to go fishing as it is an RAF sport........ come on......... What next day off to go bird watching!!!!!!!!!..
Sport in the RAF is just time off that means more work for the real troops... OH AND BOSS ON MY 6000 I DO SPORT SO MARK ME UP......no in my books you waste time and make others work harder get back to work.
Your only secondary duty is the ~RAF~ your primary duty is your wife/husband and your children. Try putting that on your 6000 I did.
Sorry but after 25 years I have lost the plot the direction pointer for the RAF has been broken for many years and requires more than my C/T input to mend it, thats why I speak my mind and I don't care if I upset my boss because it's my job is to kick the sh!t back up th chain not feed it down the chain. Once more folks adopt this principle we may see change for the better.
Shame we only kick off in our last dying days not from day one.
The RAF has has no fittness measure and thats a fact. If you fail the pathetic test don't worry they can't afford to kick you out as we are short of troops. I was out in the sand pit lad working for me had not passed his test in 5 years still employed, still paid, even got his tapes!
So back to the point I am a bad leader because I do not do 10/15 minutes in the gym once a year........ bollox........ and I have guys asking for a day off or even a week off to go fishing as it is an RAF sport........ come on......... What next day off to go bird watching!!!!!!!!!..
Sport in the RAF is just time off that means more work for the real troops... OH AND BOSS ON MY 6000 I DO SPORT SO MARK ME UP......no in my books you waste time and make others work harder get back to work.
Your only secondary duty is the ~RAF~ your primary duty is your wife/husband and your children. Try putting that on your 6000 I did.
Sorry but after 25 years I have lost the plot the direction pointer for the RAF has been broken for many years and requires more than my C/T input to mend it, thats why I speak my mind and I don't care if I upset my boss because it's my job is to kick the sh!t back up th chain not feed it down the chain. Once more folks adopt this principle we may see change for the better.
Shame we only kick off in our last dying days not from day one.
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come on......... What next day off to go bird watching!!!!!!!!!..
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/...al/6931971.stm
Maybe we should have guys like him in the RAF, instead of the loosers who complain about a little bit of pt!
Maybe we should have guys like him in the RAF, instead of the loosers who complain about a little bit of pt!
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Blogger I couldn't agree more about you pushing **** up the line instead of down it and you speaking your mind
However by not giving a toss about your subordinates fitness tests or your own and by thinking it will make no difference is irresponsible and wrong! you are disadvantaging them for promotion or progression, whilst I agree with you that in the past the Fitness has been just a Stat that nobody gave much credence to, that however is changing and there is supposed to be a much harder stance with regards to fitness coming in with real penalties.
The first person who repeatedly failed their test has been kicked out and they won't be the last.
You shouldn't put down people who do representative sport either, yes it causes you more work finding replacements and his/her peers have to fill in but almost always Spotsmen have to put in a lot of their own time and effort to attain a standard that gets them picked for Teams, it is this time and effort that you should be recognising not the week off for the competition!!!!
However by not giving a toss about your subordinates fitness tests or your own and by thinking it will make no difference is irresponsible and wrong! you are disadvantaging them for promotion or progression, whilst I agree with you that in the past the Fitness has been just a Stat that nobody gave much credence to, that however is changing and there is supposed to be a much harder stance with regards to fitness coming in with real penalties.
The first person who repeatedly failed their test has been kicked out and they won't be the last.
You shouldn't put down people who do representative sport either, yes it causes you more work finding replacements and his/her peers have to fill in but almost always Spotsmen have to put in a lot of their own time and effort to attain a standard that gets them picked for Teams, it is this time and effort that you should be recognising not the week off for the competition!!!!
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The person they kicked out was in a staff job. Lets see them try and throw aircrew/JNCO SNCO engineers out with massive shortages in the pipeline. As I have said before, this will last 6 months, then we will go back to the old standards as they wont be able to lose that many people. Oh, that and the flood of court actions from unfair dismissal and changed T&C's will be the big on I guess. 
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This crap about terms and conditions and contracts! when you join up it doesn't say anything about staying in tents for six months of the year or having to do compulsory drugs testing or IRT or CAT checks, this mythical "contract" doesn't exist that will be the fatties saviour! it's the military you do as you are told
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQC9pcnHtvg
I'ts so beautiful I could watch it all day if I din't have some work to do!
Cheating feckers though!!!
I'ts so beautiful I could watch it all day if I din't have some work to do!
Cheating feckers though!!!
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Al R, Todbabe, Snowball and others,
A few things that I've learnt by following these forums is that an awful lot of RAF peeps not only like being fat, but will make the most incredible arguments to stay that way.
'Not in the contract, I new a fit bloke once who.........., time away from the proper job etc, etc. The last one's my favourite. At our place, every Friday morning two groundies stand in the tea room and cook bacon butties for the rest of the chaps, then as often as not, the place is deserted in the afternoon (and that's after being Leaned!). Quite right too I say, but the fatties can't then argue that nothing should take them away from their prime reason for being here.
The main pretagonists of the fat is good argument seem to be Samuraimatt, SRENNAPS, and Maple01. Between them they have contributed 1300 posts on this forum. Wonder how many 15 minute phys sessions you could get out of that!
Doh, is that the time? Best be off to the Monday lunchtime circuits sess!
A few things that I've learnt by following these forums is that an awful lot of RAF peeps not only like being fat, but will make the most incredible arguments to stay that way.
'Not in the contract, I new a fit bloke once who.........., time away from the proper job etc, etc. The last one's my favourite. At our place, every Friday morning two groundies stand in the tea room and cook bacon butties for the rest of the chaps, then as often as not, the place is deserted in the afternoon (and that's after being Leaned!). Quite right too I say, but the fatties can't then argue that nothing should take them away from their prime reason for being here.
The main pretagonists of the fat is good argument seem to be Samuraimatt, SRENNAPS, and Maple01. Between them they have contributed 1300 posts on this forum. Wonder how many 15 minute phys sessions you could get out of that!
Doh, is that the time? Best be off to the Monday lunchtime circuits sess!
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The difference between IRT, CCS living in tents (which I have done 8 months of in the past 20 btw) is its essential... the fitness test is something that those with a loose grip on reality seem to think is important when actually, its a massive waste of time (2 days off flying for a start, according to JSP550 which states you are not supposed to fly after exercising)
Increasing levels on the bleep test and doing it twice a year is a complete waste of my bloody time. Tell me this, if I can do my job last year with fitness levels as they were, working 14 hour crew duty days for ten days straight, on a flight deck that is 65 Celcius, why the hell should I face being chucked out for doing my job, as told, so some F*cking numpty in a PT outfit can tell me "oh you are in the military, do what you are told" perhaps if we questioned from time to time bland, rediculous instruction from above we wouldnt have such a shocking erosion of our small number of perks? I was always told to think for myself, and as I have said for the third time now, this scheme will last SIX MONTHS MAX, before we end up with what we had before. At what cost? annoying a hard-working bunch of very experienced individuals who we can ill-afford to lose, just to placeate the body-beautiful brigade and the PTI's who are chiseling extra workload for all of us to do, to justify their ever-decreasing significance in our armed forces.
The day I come close to not being able to do my primary job (including running away from a burning wreckage in a hurry with my kit) will be the day I accept you are right, however, I know my fitness is up to scratch, I dont need to be told it by some PTI thats concerned that their trade is next up for the chop!
Oh, you can whine on about us not having a contract, but you are wrong. We have employment law, which before I would have agreed with you would be nonsensical to use in the military. But seeing as I now have a lower standard of living to many now in civy street, a military covenant lying in tatters, talk of increased FMQ rent to shift me out, PAYD, talk of paying for food whilst on det, I think I am less concerned about screwing the MOD over at every opportunity I get!
Increasing levels on the bleep test and doing it twice a year is a complete waste of my bloody time. Tell me this, if I can do my job last year with fitness levels as they were, working 14 hour crew duty days for ten days straight, on a flight deck that is 65 Celcius, why the hell should I face being chucked out for doing my job, as told, so some F*cking numpty in a PT outfit can tell me "oh you are in the military, do what you are told" perhaps if we questioned from time to time bland, rediculous instruction from above we wouldnt have such a shocking erosion of our small number of perks? I was always told to think for myself, and as I have said for the third time now, this scheme will last SIX MONTHS MAX, before we end up with what we had before. At what cost? annoying a hard-working bunch of very experienced individuals who we can ill-afford to lose, just to placeate the body-beautiful brigade and the PTI's who are chiseling extra workload for all of us to do, to justify their ever-decreasing significance in our armed forces.
The day I come close to not being able to do my primary job (including running away from a burning wreckage in a hurry with my kit) will be the day I accept you are right, however, I know my fitness is up to scratch, I dont need to be told it by some PTI thats concerned that their trade is next up for the chop!
Oh, you can whine on about us not having a contract, but you are wrong. We have employment law, which before I would have agreed with you would be nonsensical to use in the military. But seeing as I now have a lower standard of living to many now in civy street, a military covenant lying in tatters, talk of increased FMQ rent to shift me out, PAYD, talk of paying for food whilst on det, I think I am less concerned about screwing the MOD over at every opportunity I get!