Are Master Aircrew Warrant Officers?

[Seldomfitforpurpose]

"Well sorry to contradict you but if the US Army appoints you as an Officer then you are an Officer."

That may well be the case in the Land of the Free but if you are an American WO then us brits are simply not gonna "wave" at you so best you learn to live with it

[Contacttower]

Salutes, rather like Breitlings and Raybans are nice but ultimately don't make your penis any larger.

[Chief_Two]

1. In the US Armed Forces, is it possible for a Warrant Officer, 1st or 2nd Class (not CWO) to gain a commission and become, say, a Lt or a Capt (ie a junior officer)? Presumably, such individuals would then have a limited 2nd career.

2. Can your CWOs progress further in rank? Or are they at the zenith of their careers?

1. If you mean US Command Sergeant Majors, I don't think so. They progress from Battalion CSM to Brigade, Division, Multi National Force CSM etc. Up to 12 years enlisted service, NCOs can apply for the Warrant Officer program, though. I believe this limit is being raised.

2. They progress from WO1 to CW5 with 30 years WO service possible.

[AC Ovee]

Chief Two,
Thanks for your answers. All is now clear. In a nutshell, your Warrant Officers have absolutely no equivalency with any WO in the British Armed Forces. This became crystal clear the moment you wrote that an NCO, with some service behind him, can apply to join the Warrant Officer program. In the RAF, your WO program is the equivalent of an RAF Branch Commission, except that our people become fully commissioned. They are not Warrant Officers and they never will be Warrant Officers.

Returning to your original question, and I can now see why you received some acerbic replies from us Brits.....NO, Master Aircrew (and any other British Forces Warrant Officer) is NOT equivalent to your Warrant Officer rank. We are equivalent to the highest non commissioned rank in your Armed Forces (E9, I believe) and I can now understand why you made the comment about Master Sergeant.

Do all of the US forces (USAF and USN particularly) have a Warrant Officer program similar to the one you have described?

[Pontius Navigator]

AC Ovee, don't forget a branch officer could have been a WO or MAcr and all would, given their seniority been commissioned at Captain equivalent.

[AC Ovee]

PN, Agreed. And I guess the US Forces have Master Chief Sergeants (E9?) who get commisioned to Warrant Officer. Its very different to our way.

I've just edited my previous post

[240 OCU]

AC Ovee, don't forget a branch officer could have been a WO or MAcr and all would, given their seniority been commissioned at Captain equivalent.

PN. Are you sure? I thought, irrespective of seniority, a Master Aircrew on Branch Officer terms had to serve 4 years as a Fg Off first. The Army QM commission being somewhat different.

Standing by to be corrected...........

240

[buoy15]

240
4 years as Fg Off - correct - but 5 is the norm

[Chief_Two]

Do all of the US forces (USAF and USN particularly) have a Warrant Officer program similar to the one you have described?

The USAF stopped their Warrant Officer program in 1958 when the E8 and E9 (Chief Master Sergeant) grades were introduced.

US Navy E7 -E9 (Chief, Senior Chief and Master Chief Petty Officers) are commissioned as Chief Warrant Officer Grade 2 (no WO1s in the Navy). Enlisted grades from E6 can also be commissioned as Limited Duty Officers (Ensign or Lieutenant Junior Grade) with a potential career structure up to Captain (USN). CWs can also apply to be LDOs.

CWs - technical officer specialists
LDOs - technical officer managers

[PingDit]

Correct name for the mess.....

Is in fact 'Warrant Officers and Senior Non-commissioned Officers Mess'.
Usually abbreviated to 'WO & SNCO's Mess'.
This is to show some differentiation between WO's and SNCO's and SNCO's rather than Sergeants because not all SNCO's are sergeants.

[effortless]

WOs are still gazzetted aren't they? I always assumed that they were the most senior rank in the RAF. They always scared the **** out of me.

[Chief_Two]

Usually abbreviated to 'WO & SNCO's Mess'

Shouldn't that be the 'WOs, MACRs and SNCOs Mess'

[ZH875]

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaggggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh


Somebody shut him up.


P L E A S E.

[samuraimatt]

Shouldn't that be the 'WOs, MACRs and SNCOs Mess'

Yes that is correct, what ever you say C2.

[Chief_Two]

I've been a MACR since 1988 and yes, I am a WO1. I'm not holding out for promotion, but the salary takes my mind off it.

So you've been the same rank for 19 years. I think the RAF need a few Chief Warrant Officer grades!

[ZH875]

Originally Posted by Chief_Two

So you've been the same rank for 19 years. I think the RAF need a few Chief Warrant Officer grades!

And be the same rank for 19 seconds.

I know who will get most respect

But I guess the number of salutes will be roughly equal.

I guess I have no option but to put this eejit on my ignore list. Then I wont have to wait until he Foxtrot Oscars.

[AARON O'DICKYDIDO]

Promotion too early???????????

Pingdit
Anyway, I digress...I've been a MACR since 1988 and yes, I am a WO1.



Perhaps promotion should be slowed down. Or when you reach the top you have to make your way down again.. then up.. then down ...then up....

[samuraimatt]

I think the RAF need a few Chief Warrant Officer grades

And the us forces needs one less warrant officer.

[AC Ovee]

I think the RAF need a few Chief Warrant Officer grades!

Well, we wouldn't use the same terminology, but we do need to do something. 20 years in one rank is not ideal. So far, we have created an additional pay ladder to move onto, by selection (another word for promotion, I guess), thus taking our salary by annual increment to a level equivalent to Major. But the badge doesn't change, and the rank doesn't change. It doesn't matter to some of us.

[RODF3]

20 years in one rank is not ideal

i think 20 years in one rank on the PAS is great!