Are Master Aircrew Warrant Officers?
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A MACr/WO is not a SNCO.
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Agreed. Which is why using UK definitions we don't salute US WO's.
I've been lucky enough to have been holding an RAF post within the USAF for the past three years and have never had a single issue. The enlisted (E9 included) address me as Sir and the commissioned ranks address me as Mr.
Best rank in the Air Force.
I've been lucky enough to have been holding an RAF post within the USAF for the past three years and have never had a single issue. The enlisted (E9 included) address me as Sir and the commissioned ranks address me as Mr.
Best rank in the Air Force.
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I expect the US Air Force don't understand your status as an RAF WO, as I can't imagine why a Command Chief Master Sergeant would address you as 'Sir'.
But good luck with your exchange position anyway.
But good luck with your exchange position anyway.
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IMHO Master Aircrew are not WO, they are far far higher ranked than that, and a great many officers also frankly, even some senior ones!
I would always feel safer and happier knowing that I had at least one Master on my crew, if only to keep some of my junior officers in check at places and in flight!
Long live ther MACR, they have my ultimate respect.
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I would always feel safer and happier knowing that I had at least one Master on my crew, if only to keep some of my junior officers in check at places and in flight!
Long live ther MACR, they have my ultimate respect.
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Come on, Chief, come out into the open and just state what your motives here are.
Do you have an agenda?
It appears that you feel that all ranks from the rest of the World should marry up to the US standard? Is this correct? If so, why?
Another case of "Let the whole world fly the Stars n Stripes"
Do you have an agenda?
It appears that you feel that all ranks from the rest of the World should marry up to the US standard? Is this correct? If so, why?
Another case of "Let the whole world fly the Stars n Stripes"
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Not true. QRs for the RAF (QRJ126) show RAF WO and MACR as equivelant to Army WO1 - both with a NATO rank code of OR9. Whereas, the Army (and RM) rank of WO2 is junior with a NATO rank code of OR8 (but senior to the RAF rank of flt sgt which - alongside chf tech - has a NATO rank code of OR7).
Not strictly true. The RAF often claim that their WO are equal to WO1 and senior to WO2 but Queens Regs makes no comparison between WO1/WO2 in the Army and WO in the RAF. In other words a RAF WO is neither senior nor junior to WO1 or WO2 apart from the fact that the Army would be viewed as the senior service of the two.
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First WO I ever worked with was particularly keen on that, but his definition of JO was 'officers up to and including the rank of wing commander' 
And aren't we supposed to help, guide, educate and advise Junior Officers (like 2nd Lts etc!!) in the course of their duties.
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I did hear the tale of a Group Captain Staish who was being dined into his Sergeants' Mess on his arrival in post. 
In a loud "stage whisper" as they sat down to dine, the Warrant Officer CMC said to him:
In a loud "stage whisper" as they sat down to dine, the Warrant Officer CMC said to him:
Just remember Sir, you've had 3 merit promotions and I've had 4!!
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Confusing Rank Abbreviation - To Many
What is the correct abbreviation for Master Aircrew?
MACR?
MACr?
MAcr?
It's the last one - and that's from PMA.
My point is, keep the MAcr rank, but please, let's get the abbreviation changed. Even on a base where there are more than a few, the rank abbreviation is unknown to many serving airmen. It causes head scratching and the well trodden pre-recorded explanation. It gets a bit irksome after x years, so....can we change the abbreviation to WO(A)?
Would those 'in charge' care to comment?
MACR?
MACr?
MAcr?
It's the last one - and that's from PMA.
My point is, keep the MAcr rank, but please, let's get the abbreviation changed. Even on a base where there are more than a few, the rank abbreviation is unknown to many serving airmen. It causes head scratching and the well trodden pre-recorded explanation. It gets a bit irksome after x years, so....can we change the abbreviation to WO(A)?
Would those 'in charge' care to comment?
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"......& some senior ones too! MAEOps Ted Rose & Fred Reeves, 42 Sqn, late 1970's - IIRC, ditched several times between them in their early flying careers! Took a brave sqn ldr to ignore their suggestions! "
I was the recipient of a well aimed set of FRCs on more than one occasion! Now that was a good way to teach students!
I also remember the Stn Cdr at Finningley having annual Xmas drinks for his WOs and not one MAcr was invited.
"I was the recipient of a well aimed set of FRCs on more than one occasion! Now that was a good way to teach students!
I also remember the Stn Cdr at Finningley having annual Xmas drinks for his WOs and not one MAcr was invited.
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Come on, Chief, come out into the open and just state what your motives here are.
Do you have an agenda?
It appears that you feel that all ranks from the rest of the World should marry up to the US standard? Is this correct? If so, why?
Do you have an agenda?
It appears that you feel that all ranks from the rest of the World should marry up to the US standard? Is this correct? If so, why?
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I remember a US Army CWO transitting through ISL. He was in the Officers' Mess bar having a bar snack lunch. He was not actually thrown out but he was asked why he was not in the Sergeant's Mess.
Another cause for confusion - warrant officers, not themselves SNCOs, use the Sergeants' Mess. When on a US base, and thus entitled to use the O=club they often chose to remain with the SNCOs.
Another cause for confusion - warrant officers, not themselves SNCOs, use the Sergeants' Mess. When on a US base, and thus entitled to use the O=club they often chose to remain with the SNCOs.
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Chief Two, Why on earth should the rest of Nato pander to your desire??
A WO by definition is the highest enlisted rank, they have the experience, the knowledge and the power to be on a par with God. To make them go and spend time with fresh nugget aircrew that barely know how to shave is a huge insult. A WO is most at home with the NCO's and enlisted.
My last WO was a man I hugely respected, feared and admired. If you screwed up you made sure he knew about it. He would forgive and sort out any problem other than a lack of integrity. I wish the RAF had a hundred more like him.
A WO by definition is the highest enlisted rank, they have the experience, the knowledge and the power to be on a par with God. To make them go and spend time with fresh nugget aircrew that barely know how to shave is a huge insult. A WO is most at home with the NCO's and enlisted.
My last WO was a man I hugely respected, feared and admired. If you screwed up you made sure he knew about it. He would forgive and sort out any problem other than a lack of integrity. I wish the RAF had a hundred more like him.
Chief Two, Why on earth should the rest of Nato pander to your desire??
A WO by definition is the highest enlisted rank, they have the experience, the knowledge and the power to be on a par with God. To make them go and spend time with fresh nugget aircrew that barely know how to shave is a huge insult. A WO is most at home with the NCO's and enlisted.
My last WO was a man I hugely respected, feared and admired. If you screwed up you made sure he knew about it. He would forgive and sort out any problem other than a lack of integrity. I wish the RAF had a hundred more like him.
A WO by definition is the highest enlisted rank, they have the experience, the knowledge and the power to be on a par with God. To make them go and spend time with fresh nugget aircrew that barely know how to shave is a huge insult. A WO is most at home with the NCO's and enlisted.
My last WO was a man I hugely respected, feared and admired. If you screwed up you made sure he knew about it. He would forgive and sort out any problem other than a lack of integrity. I wish the RAF had a hundred more like him.
Group Captain Leaps short buildings with a single bound; Is more powerful than a tank engine; Is just as fast as a speeding bullet; Walks on water if sea is calm; Talks with God
Wing Commander Leaps short buildings with a running start; Is almost as powerful as a tank engine; Is able to avoid speeding bullets; Walks on water in indoor swimming pools; Talks with God if special request is approved
Squadron Leader Can just clear a small hut; Loses a tug-of-war with an engine; Can fire a speeding bullet; Swims well Is occasionally addressed by God
Flight Lieutenant Makes high marks when leaping small huts; Is run over by locomotives; Can handle a gun; Dog paddles; Talks to animals
Flying Officer Runs into buildings; Recognises locomotives two times out of three; Is not issued with live ammunition; Can stay afloat if issued with a Mae West; Talks to walls
Pilot Officer Falls over doorsteps; Says, "I see no trains"; Wets herself/himself with a water pistol; Stays on dry land; Mumbles to herself/himself
Warrant Officer Lifts tall buildings and walks under them; Kicks locomotives off their tracks; Catches speeding bullets in his teeth; Freezes water with a glance; Because – HE IS A GOD