Are Master Aircrew Warrant Officers?
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Maybe there should be a realignment of the wikipedia rank system for all ranks in the RAF v USAF. According to Wik LAC, SAC and JT only have one strile eqivalent. Me thinks your average JT has a lot more technical ability than most of the USAF with all 6 stripes in the down position....................
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And aren't we supposed to help, guide, educate and advise Junior Officers (like 2nd Lts etc!!) in the course of their duties.
As for saluting, it's the Queen I salute, not whoever is wearing Her badge!
As for saluting, it's the Queen I salute, not whoever is wearing Her badge!
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I would join in this thread in some constructive way.. but I live at the RAF College and as we are infested with pilot officers......... I spotted 3 young ladies in blues at a distance today.. Saluted in good style,and pissed myself when I realised they were all LAC's with big hats on, (and air commodore rank slides if you're blind.. )so Chief two.. I salute E2. And Im an E8! BEAT THAT.
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During the presentation of my Royal Warrant (as Master Aircrew) the presiding Air Vice Marshall openly, and quite rightly, admitted that the RAF "was actually run by Warrant Officers". When you consider that Non-Commissioned Aircrew are directly recruited as Aircrew as opposed to General Duties officer aircrew, it is logical to conclude that Master Aircrew is the top rank in the RAF and equivalent to that of Chief of Air Staff 
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OHP 15M wrote: During the presentation of my Royal Warrant (as Master Aircrew) the presiding Air Vice Marshall openly, and quite rightly, admitted that the RAF "was actually run by Warrant Officers".
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I can't disagree with that! Congratulations anyway on your promotion to Warrant Officer. I clearly remember the day when I was appointed as a WO1!
Chief, Do you actually have a point to make, or am I missing something?
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So Chief_Two, you're Commissioned
When you commission something to set it to work but when you warrant something you guarantee it'll work!
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Maybe if it had been signed by Mickey Mouse, you would be eligible for a 5 star McDonalds badge, rather than your 4 star one.
You need Ronald McDonald to sign off on that one. Spent 18 fun packed months with that company and got as far as a name badge.
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PS: Would that make me a good CW2 / WO1+2 / ACC + ACB prospect ?
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Historical (boring) note:
In the years following WW2, the aircrew brotherhood was messed about with, possibly to save cash? Instead of the traditional ranks.. a newly qualified aircrew chap was promoted from aircrew cadet to aircrew 3. nice badge with aircrew eagle and 1 star on it? promotion led to aircrew 2 and 1. more stars and more money. These equated to SNCO ranks in the airforce but confusion was obvious.( Like the US Warrant scheme maybe). Eventually you were promoted above aircrew 1 and became Master Air Engineer/ AEOP/ Pilot/Nav/etc.. So Master aircrew IS a warrant officer 1 and the rank is a part of our distinguished history, albeit modernish... bit like a major being senior to a leiutenant but a Lt General being senior to a Maj General in the army.. they dropped the Sgt in Sgt Maj General before the US was a colony...
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In the years following WW2, the aircrew brotherhood was messed about with, possibly to save cash? Instead of the traditional ranks.. a newly qualified aircrew chap was promoted from aircrew cadet to aircrew 3. nice badge with aircrew eagle and 1 star on it? promotion led to aircrew 2 and 1. more stars and more money. These equated to SNCO ranks in the airforce but confusion was obvious.( Like the US Warrant scheme maybe). Eventually you were promoted above aircrew 1 and became Master Air Engineer/ AEOP/ Pilot/Nav/etc.. So Master aircrew IS a warrant officer 1 and the rank is a part of our distinguished history, albeit modernish... bit like a major being senior to a leiutenant but a Lt General being senior to a Maj General in the army.. they dropped the Sgt in Sgt Maj General before the US was a colony...
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Of course Warrant Officers haven't jumped any ranks on their rise to the top! starting at Sgt is a massive adavantage Nca trades.
Take one recently promoted ground trade warrant and a recently promoted Master and the guy with the most experience of RAF Life is far more likely to be the warrant.
Not that you will find too many Masters bothered as they are spending their cash earlier!!
Take one recently promoted ground trade warrant and a recently promoted Master and the guy with the most experience of RAF Life is far more likely to be the warrant.
Not that you will find too many Masters bothered as they are spending their cash earlier!!
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Kiwis are getting rid of MACR!!!!
The Kiwi Airforce (Defence force!) is about to convert all of its MACR to WO officially at the end of June.
They have a ceremony based around a Dining in night where all of the MACR will be presented with WO rank. It all seems a bit demeaning to me, if they HAVE to change their title and rank badges then I would much prefer to just do it at home and arrive at work the next day with the new rank sewn on to my uniform.
I have asked around and some of the Masters (usually the more recently promoted) are OK with it but most (the older chaps and especially anyone who has transferred from the RAF) are horrified. I guess it is a tradition and history issue that some people just do not care about.
They tell me that the primary reason for the change is so that they do not have any "rank issues" when visiting US bases, but when I asked them to elaborate with specific instances that there had been "rank issues" nobody could recall any examples!
As a person who one day aspires to become a MACR I am very surprised that they are changing things so radically.
Oh well, I just hope the UK does not get any funny ideas.
Long live MACR.
They have a ceremony based around a Dining in night where all of the MACR will be presented with WO rank. It all seems a bit demeaning to me, if they HAVE to change their title and rank badges then I would much prefer to just do it at home and arrive at work the next day with the new rank sewn on to my uniform.
I have asked around and some of the Masters (usually the more recently promoted) are OK with it but most (the older chaps and especially anyone who has transferred from the RAF) are horrified. I guess it is a tradition and history issue that some people just do not care about.
They tell me that the primary reason for the change is so that they do not have any "rank issues" when visiting US bases, but when I asked them to elaborate with specific instances that there had been "rank issues" nobody could recall any examples!
As a person who one day aspires to become a MACR I am very surprised that they are changing things so radically.
Oh well, I just hope the UK does not get any funny ideas.
Long live MACR.
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Sorry, I think you have made a mistake. wreath was cadet pilot, etc. Wreath plus one star - pilot 4, Wreath plus 2 stars - pilot 3, Wreath plus 3 stars - pilot 2, Wreath plus 3 stars plus crown - pilot 1, wreath plus all the trimmings - Master pilot. The same applied to other a/c categories.
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The Kiwi Airforce (Defence force!) is about to convert all of its MACR to WO officially at the end of June. They tell me that the primary reason for the change is so that they do not have any "rank issues" when visiting US bases, but when I asked them to elaborate with specific instances that there had been "rank issues" nobody could recall any examples!