The RAF is Knackered
I cannot speak for any other ex RAF people, but when the site was pointed out to me I found the comments from current serving personnel quite enlightening. I did not want to leave but realised that the RAF was being mis-managed and reading the forums has confirmed my concerns.
Additionally a lot of the younger serving personnel/thinking about joining people/just about to leave personnel often ask for advice, it would appear that as a lot of experience is now the other side of the fence we do have something to offer.
Also there are those who seek historical information, which for those who are not old enough or have problems using Google they need the 'ex personnel' to dredge their memories and photo albums to help. Plus it is a place where we can find out about re-unions, the loss of friends and the recent sterling efforts from all to get Mr Pun VC into this country.
Additionally a lot of the younger serving personnel/thinking about joining people/just about to leave personnel often ask for advice, it would appear that as a lot of experience is now the other side of the fence we do have something to offer.
Also there are those who seek historical information, which for those who are not old enough or have problems using Google they need the 'ex personnel' to dredge their memories and photo albums to help. Plus it is a place where we can find out about re-unions, the loss of friends and the recent sterling efforts from all to get Mr Pun VC into this country.
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Originally Posted by Spit the Dog
Interesting that all these blokes who have PVR'd or have left the service sometime ago to start a new "llife", are sadly spending their sundays logged on to a military web site.
2) For you it's Sunday, for me it's day 5 of a 6 on, 4 off cycle - my Sunday is your next Friday.
3) The above just goes to show, as I found in my time, that certain blue suiters cannot grasp the concept of a world outside the military.
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As someone who proudly wore "Green" until relatively recently, the tone and attitudes of some of the posts on this thread are quite frankly amazing... Just loved the "Corporate RAF" bit btw! 
In my opinion we "owe" the Navy, Army and Airforce nothing. But we are bound by unbreakable bonds of loyalty to our brothers in arms, who are doing a great job under trying circumstances.
Some of the posts here are a clear betrayal of that concept in my opinion and serve to highlight to me the differences in attitude across the services.
In my opinion we "owe" the Navy, Army and Airforce nothing. But we are bound by unbreakable bonds of loyalty to our brothers in arms, who are doing a great job under trying circumstances.
Some of the posts here are a clear betrayal of that concept in my opinion and serve to highlight to me the differences in attitude across the services.
The reason I have PVR'd is because; I don’t like the constant penny pinching, too many examples to list, Beurocrasy gone mad, The erosion of the pay structure (certainly for AC Tech’s) the way the hierarchy keep doing things to assassinate moral, boss's who are under immense pressure to achieve unachievable results but don’t have the spine to say so etc etc etc where do I stop.
Best of luck anyway, just try not to join a company driven by share price !!
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Originally Posted by Deliverence
How many of those that PVR'd would not do it all again anyway?
Nope, its been good to me, but I parted company at the right time I think. For those of you still in, good luck, stay safe and I'm sure it can't possibly be all THAT bad.
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COOHEED...
You obviously still believe this country still stands for great values and is worth fighting for. This is really hard to swallow at the moment, as the current government couldn't give a fat rats ar*e about our three armed services.
Whilst most service personnel will undoubtedly fight for their country.
You obviously still believe this country still stands for great values and is worth fighting for. This is really hard to swallow at the moment, as the current government couldn't give a fat rats ar*e about our three armed services.
Whilst most service personnel will undoubtedly fight for their country.
I am fully aware that this Govt couldn't give a 'fat rats arse' as you put it about the current state of all arms of the Service. Not come across many who fight for their 'country' though. In all my years, most of them fight for the guy next to them.
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Never known of more PVR's on Sqn than we currently have right now where I work. I'd guess at around a dozen, which after lean has been through us is over 10% of our manpower.
It would seem that the powers that be (SEngO included) dream up new and interesting ways to make our lives miserable every second of every day. I've just got back off det and I can quite honestly say there are very few reasons to stay at first line any more.
I though I'd be career, but I'm seriously thinking of making it a bakers dozen.
If I could see light at the end of the tunnel and the chance of things improving, then I'd just weather out the storm, but I honestly can't.
It would seem that the powers that be (SEngO included) dream up new and interesting ways to make our lives miserable every second of every day. I've just got back off det and I can quite honestly say there are very few reasons to stay at first line any more.
I though I'd be career, but I'm seriously thinking of making it a bakers dozen.
If I could see light at the end of the tunnel and the chance of things improving, then I'd just weather out the storm, but I honestly can't.
As someone who proudly wore "Green" until relatively recently, the tone and attitudes of some of the posts on this thread are quite frankly amazing... Just loved the "Corporate RAF" bit btw!
In my opinion we "owe" the Navy, Army and Airforce nothing. But we are bound by unbreakable bonds of loyalty to our brothers in arms, who are doing a great job under trying circumstances.
Some of the posts here are a clear betrayal of that concept in my opinion and serve to highlight to me the differences in attitude across the services.
In my opinion we "owe" the Navy, Army and Airforce nothing. But we are bound by unbreakable bonds of loyalty to our brothers in arms, who are doing a great job under trying circumstances.
Some of the posts here are a clear betrayal of that concept in my opinion and serve to highlight to me the differences in attitude across the services.
Do you honestly think just bending over and taking like a bunch of good boys helps anyone out? We are not being disloyal to our brothers in arms out on the front line. In case you hadn't noticed we have precious little confidence in our senior military leadership to do the right thing and absolutely none in our political leadership. But each and everyone of us on this forum would probably fight to the bitter end if it meant getting serving personnel on the front line out of a tight spot in one piece. That is loyalty, not sitting there and being shafted day after day.
And I'm sorry, but if you can't read between the lines on this thread and many others like it, not only here but also on our sister sites, and see that is what those of us on the front line are saying now, have been saying for several years and the way things are going will be saying in several years time, then you must have been one of those "everything is fine Sir, now can I have my promotion" types.
And I suppose it does highlight the difference between the services as you rightly say: too many "Green" types are renowned for saying yes for the sake of saying yes without any thought as to the sanity or wisdom behind what they are being asked to do. And if that's your idea of leadership and followership, then I'm happy where I am.
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Damnation!! The OBE, pips, crowns and other goodies must have been lost in the post! All those knackered and worn out knee pads too! What a waste. 
You seem to have read a lot into my post..too much perhaps? I have always held the RAF in very high regard throughout my service and it pains me greatly to see serving and ex members whining and hanging out their dirty washing in such a public forum.
As an ex "grav", this seems diloyal in the extreme. Not only to your service, but more importantly to your mates currently at the sharp end. The politics and BS are irrelevant, the guy covering your arrse isn't!
You seem to have read a lot into my post..too much perhaps? I have always held the RAF in very high regard throughout my service and it pains me greatly to see serving and ex members whining and hanging out their dirty washing in such a public forum.
As an ex "grav", this seems diloyal in the extreme. Not only to your service, but more importantly to your mates currently at the sharp end. The politics and BS are irrelevant, the guy covering your arrse isn't!
Left the mob in '97 after 22 years of breaking my bo**ocks trying to do the right thing, trying to work out what the heck WAS the right thing and trying to get promotion.
In my last job I was treated like a valuable member of staff and allowed scope far above my rank in a very "you can't do that because you are only a Corporal" sort of society. I worked with aircrew who were generally much older than the norm (as were the aircraft) and [I] was treated like a grown up and my specialist skills were appreciated and well used.
I left and went into Civil Airline Operations and 18 months after leaving was Operations Manager of a small airline flying big aeroplanes. I was able and I rose to the top because those who mattered saw my skills (not least the sense of duty which I had honed in the RAF) and were able to advance me to mutual advantage. My salary doubled from when I left the service.
ANYONE who has the skill, the knowledge and the will can make it outside the services. Staying in will only stifle ambition with outdated practices and too much niff naff, trivia and too much "you need to be a higher rank to do that". I'm glad I left and I wouldn't go back for all the tea in China.
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In my last job I was treated like a valuable member of staff and allowed scope far above my rank in a very "you can't do that because you are only a Corporal" sort of society. I worked with aircrew who were generally much older than the norm (as were the aircraft) and [I] was treated like a grown up and my specialist skills were appreciated and well used.
I left and went into Civil Airline Operations and 18 months after leaving was Operations Manager of a small airline flying big aeroplanes. I was able and I rose to the top because those who mattered saw my skills (not least the sense of duty which I had honed in the RAF) and were able to advance me to mutual advantage. My salary doubled from when I left the service.
ANYONE who has the skill, the knowledge and the will can make it outside the services. Staying in will only stifle ambition with outdated practices and too much niff naff, trivia and too much "you need to be a higher rank to do that". I'm glad I left and I wouldn't go back for all the tea in China.
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If we could all leave tomorrow where would that leave us as a country?
come to think of it ...
that's not a bad idea ....
