More money out of our pockets!!!!!
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More money out of our pockets!!!!!
I know there's been a long and bitter thread going on about the loss of rations to Aircrew but has anyone out there yet noticed the loss of food allowances to ALL personnel being sent on courses?
It was brought to our attention last week(!) that as of 1st July this year that all meals taken whilst on a course that the RAF has sent you on (not requested by the individual) is now going to incur full food charges from day one!
Now before everyone jumps up and down about how we should pay to eat and the like, just stop to think about it for a minute. If you were working for a civvie company that decides to send you on course that you haven't asked to go on (or even if you have) then that company gives you an allowance either before you go or on your return to pay for your food whilst away from your primary home.
Why should I be penalised and out of pocket to the tune of over £200 per month just because our lords and masters want me to learn something that I (and most of Civvie street) have no interest in.
What really gripes me is that this has been kept VERY quiet. I found out completely by accident and even my HR staff know nothing about it
It has already had an effect in my office with some personnel stating that they're going to turn down further courses as they can't afford it. Not with still having to pay to feed the family that is still at home.
I know this seems like a petty whinge but it's really going to hit some personnel very hard. Like we don't get st on enough already!
It was brought to our attention last week(!) that as of 1st July this year that all meals taken whilst on a course that the RAF has sent you on (not requested by the individual) is now going to incur full food charges from day one!
Now before everyone jumps up and down about how we should pay to eat and the like, just stop to think about it for a minute. If you were working for a civvie company that decides to send you on course that you haven't asked to go on (or even if you have) then that company gives you an allowance either before you go or on your return to pay for your food whilst away from your primary home.
Why should I be penalised and out of pocket to the tune of over £200 per month just because our lords and masters want me to learn something that I (and most of Civvie street) have no interest in.
What really gripes me is that this has been kept VERY quiet. I found out completely by accident and even my HR staff know nothing about it
It has already had an effect in my office with some personnel stating that they're going to turn down further courses as they can't afford it. Not with still having to pay to feed the family that is still at home.
I know this seems like a petty whinge but it's really going to hit some personnel very hard. Like we don't get s
t on enough already!
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Sorry, was having a blonde moment
Didn't see the other thread, but I'm in such a bad mood about it, having just been stiffed with a course I don't particularly want, that I really needed to vent
Didn't see the other thread, but I'm in such a bad mood about it, having just been stiffed with a course I don't particularly want, that I really needed to vent
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You've every right to be in a bad mood about it Rigchick and as for:
I think you'll find it snuck under CASWO's radar too - that's how sneaky THEY are these days.
What never fails to amuse me is how THEY don't get the connection between 'efficiencies' and morale, or the complete lack thereof.
The drips are turning into a deluge boys and girls.
What really gripes me is that this has been kept VERY quiet. I found out completely by accident and even my HR staff know nothing about it
What never fails to amuse me is how THEY don't get the connection between 'efficiencies' and morale, or the complete lack thereof.
The drips are turning into a deluge boys and girls.
I don't own this space under my name. I should have leased it while I still could
Now the stupid thing is that the civil servant, on say the same course at Halton, will be in a hotel and entittled to half a bottle of wine with dinner every evening.
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I'd like to do JOCC, but I can't afford to. 
You see, every cloud has a silver lining!
Seriously, I'd have to think about going on a course now. With mortgage rates going up and all...
You see, every cloud has a silver lining!
Seriously, I'd have to think about going on a course now. With mortgage rates going up and all...
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Now this is going to be dead interesting!!
In theory, if the mil want to send you on a course to improve your employability such as an advanced radar wiggly amp thingy course, then if it is going to hurt you a lot in the pocket, you must have the right to say NO!
You cannot be ordered to spend your money.
Any informed people out there that could offer comment?
In theory, if the mil want to send you on a course to improve your employability such as an advanced radar wiggly amp thingy course, then if it is going to hurt you a lot in the pocket, you must have the right to say NO!
You cannot be ordered to spend your money.
Any informed people out there that could offer comment?
Never have been in the services but if this is true it is scandelous and heads should roll but won't . I have every respect for everyone of you highly qualified people who put their lives on the edge when required to defend our land and ideals . Thank you and fight on - in all respects .
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A lad in my section has already turned down an Environmental Protection course at Halton over this.
Thankfully the only courses I've left to do between now and my departure from the Royal Air Force are resettlement ones.
Thankfully the only courses I've left to do between now and my departure from the Royal Air Force are resettlement ones.
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From what I can gather this will apply to all ranks!
The problem I have at the moment is that in order to be eligible for promotion I have to do my Multi-skilling course. If I turn it down I'm screwing up any further career I may have! Talk about being caught between and rock and a hard place!
If you could opt out of eating in the mess it would help but we don't even have that option
The problem I have at the moment is that in order to be eligible for promotion I have to do my Multi-skilling course. If I turn it down I'm screwing up any further career I may have! Talk about being caught between and rock and a hard place!
If you could opt out of eating in the mess it would help but we don't even have that option
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If you could opt out of eating in the mess it would help but we don't even have that option
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From the DIN I read it seems that you will be charged IAW the Core menu, so you'll only pay for the food you actually eat, which is a damn sight more palatable than paying for food you don't. I haven't eaten in a Mess since my training days!
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So does this mean that you will no longer be entitled to sunsistance if you are put up in a Hotel?
Stay in a hotel and get money for food or stay in a cr*p mess and have to pay for it??!!
Stay in a hotel and get money for food or stay in a cr*p mess and have to pay for it??!!
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I get sent on courses and am not allowed to stay in a hotel. I am forced to stay in a service mess even when the course is run in Bristol, there is a Holiday Inn next door and all the Civilian bods / Army and RAF are staying in the hotel. They walk round the corner to the hotel, I have to drive down the M4 each night to stay at RAF Lyneham!!
How long this inequality can continue I don't know? We are being squeezed from every angle for every last penny at the moment.
Aaaaaarrrrggghhhhhh
How long this inequality can continue I don't know? We are being squeezed from every angle for every last penny at the moment.
Aaaaaarrrrggghhhhhh
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A letter in the latest RAF News brings this subject up. It is answered, in a very wooly fashion, by a PMA spokesman. Will be interesting to see how it develops - one of my guys has just postponed a Proj Management cse due to the financial aspects. If he can get a CHBS booking, already approved by me, he will be entitled to free hotel accommodation plus £21/day. If not he will have to stay in the Stn's transit block and pay for his food that he eats in the mess - or off Stn.
Any one tried/tested this approach?
Any one tried/tested this approach?
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On the subject of courses and accom (slightly off thread, sorry), if there is no accom within 5 miles of the course location, you are entitled to a hotel.
These regs changed with JPA last year from the old 20 mile (or was it 15?) criteria. Check it out!!!
These regs changed with JPA last year from the old 20 mile (or was it 15?) criteria. Check it out!!!
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TonkaEngo,
I'd say the official reply in the RAF News article doesn't answer any of the direct questions placed, let alone being woolly. The flt lt raises some good points that are ignored by the spin-reply.
Good luck to you though for trying the CHBS route!
I'd say the official reply in the RAF News article doesn't answer any of the direct questions placed, let alone being woolly. The flt lt raises some good points that are ignored by the spin-reply.
Good luck to you though for trying the CHBS route!