More money out of our pockets!!!!!
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If your det is classed as "Field Conditions" then you don't have to pay food. So Basrah and Helmand are free.
I think this is one of THE worst examples of the erosion of benefits so far. There can be no-one here who thinks this is fair and right. Can we start a Number 10 petition? there's one for everything else...
I think this is one of THE worst examples of the erosion of benefits so far. There can be no-one here who thinks this is fair and right. Can we start a Number 10 petition? there's one for everything else...
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According to the DIN the regs for Field Conditions, Duty meals and FIA are not changing. However knowing how things change without any notice, I wouldn't hold my breath. 
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Excuse the dullness. Does this just cover courses or will guys also be paying for food when in Basra and Helmand?
Told a few years ago by a catering WO that 'free food' OOA is actually paid for by the 'living-in' singlie. Messes only get about £1.50 (the daily messing rate) to feed an individual. The other £2 odds goes to pay for 24 rat packs and OOA!! And I don't think he was joking either.
Told a few years ago by a catering WO that 'free food' OOA is actually paid for by the 'living-in' singlie. Messes only get about £1.50 (the daily messing rate) to feed an individual. The other £2 odds goes to pay for 24 rat packs and OOA!! And I don't think he was joking either.
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With the change in rules does it actually mean that we cannot claim the costs back through JPA?
Free food on courses meant to me that I signed the duty register and that no charge was levied to me directly. If I now pay a charge I do not see why/how this differs from being in a hotel etc Simply upon return to base, fill in JPA and claim back the additional food charges. I may be being dull but I cannot see how the system could object.
As to accom charges, its been a while since I stayed in an away mess but I seem to remember that when you stay in the mess "on duty" you only pay for extra messing not an actual nightly rate for the room. I await to be corrected.
Perhaps an "expert"
could please advise. I do not have access to online documentation as I am loaned to Industry at the moment, but still have to claim through JPA. Thanks
Free food on courses meant to me that I signed the duty register and that no charge was levied to me directly. If I now pay a charge I do not see why/how this differs from being in a hotel etc Simply upon return to base, fill in JPA and claim back the additional food charges. I may be being dull but I cannot see how the system could object.
As to accom charges, its been a while since I stayed in an away mess but I seem to remember that when you stay in the mess "on duty" you only pay for extra messing not an actual nightly rate for the room. I await to be corrected.
Perhaps an "expert"
could please advise. I do not have access to online documentation as I am loaned to Industry at the moment, but still have to claim through JPA. Thanks
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I think that you can claim £5 per night incidental expenses, to cover the cost of a newspaper, 3 min phone call and laundry, whether in Mess or Hotel accom.
Initially, no receipt was needed as the sum was under £5, then you did need to provide proof of expenditure, now I believe it has reverted to a flat rate of £5 per night.
This will go some way to offsetting this charge.
Initially, no receipt was needed as the sum was under £5, then you did need to provide proof of expenditure, now I believe it has reverted to a flat rate of £5 per night.
This will go some way to offsetting this charge.
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Cooheed, I am sorryto say he was not joking. Have you ever known a WO joke?
The bigger joke is that the RAF Police dogs get free food and accommodation with the food element some 3 times that of an airman.
OK, the dogs can't PVR and are terminated with extreme prejudice when they retire but . . .
BTW, while an RAF police dog got something well over £9 per day we got food for our German Shepherd at £7.99 for 15 kg or 6-7 weeks supply.
The bigger joke is that the RAF Police dogs get free food and accommodation with the food element some 3 times that of an airman.
OK, the dogs can't PVR and are terminated with extreme prejudice when they retire but . . .
BTW, while an RAF police dog got something well over £9 per day we got food for our German Shepherd at £7.99 for 15 kg or 6-7 weeks supply.
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Now the stupid thing is that the civil servant, on say the same course at Halton, will be in a hotel and entittled to half a bottle of wine with dinner every evening.
Why is it stupid ?
The service personnel should be fighting to get what we get not to take away what we have.
I believe tha you are a CS, so what is your gripe ?
'We knew how to whinge but we kept it in the NAAFI bar.'
Now the stupid thing is that the civil servant, on say the same course at Halton, will be in a hotel and entittled to half a bottle of wine with dinner every evening.
Why is it stupid ?
The service personnel should be fighting to get what we get not to take away what we have.
I believe tha you are a CS, so what is your gripe ?
'We knew how to whinge but we kept it in the NAAFI bar.'
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Philrigger, maybe what is stupid is that the rules for two people of the same course should be so different?
Would the trades unions acquiesce to a change of T&C like that?
Would the trades unions acquiesce to a change of T&C like that?
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Situation: 2 sac's sent on the same course.
SAC 1, Gets accomdation in the block therefore is forced to eat in the mess hall and he has to pay for it.
SAC2, Finds the Block is full and get put into a CHBS hotel gets free food and a drink paid for.
What a load of ***** our lords and masters have brought down on us.
The RAF is killing it's self with actions like this. Also this is out in the letters page of the RAF news, The Wg Cmdr's reply was so typical of what we have come to expect......
That is Shut up and lie down and take what we throw at you........
SAC 1, Gets accomdation in the block therefore is forced to eat in the mess hall and he has to pay for it.
SAC2, Finds the Block is full and get put into a CHBS hotel gets free food and a drink paid for.
What a load of ***** our lords and masters have brought down on us.
The RAF is killing it's self with actions like this. Also this is out in the letters page of the RAF news, The Wg Cmdr's reply was so typical of what we have come to expect......
That is Shut up and lie down and take what we throw at you........
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Philrigger,
My gripe? Trying to explain one rule for you and one rule for me. I am supposed to encourage through career training and they say 'can't afford it.' Where does that leave me?
I want to send a man on a course, he wants to go on the course, BUT . . .
Now if they said I had to stay in a mess I would simply declare that I was unavailable.
The service personnel should be fighting to get what we get not to take away what we have.
I believe tha you are a CS, so what is your gripe ?
I believe tha you are a CS, so what is your gripe ?
I want to send a man on a course, he wants to go on the course, BUT . . .
Now if they said I had to stay in a mess I would simply declare that I was unavailable.
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I would like to know if it is laid down somewhere that:
'If you live in a block or mess you must pay for food at that location'
Why can't I opt out of paying food charges? Supply my own bread, butter, cheese and make my own butties? And therefore not pay for food....
After all pay as you dine is bringing this in is it not!
So back to the SAC's on the course SAC 2 says cant afford the food i'll make my own butties how can he be forced to pay for RAF food.
Seems to me that the Detachment food budget in Afgan and Iraq is costing to much and they need to claw it back some how...disgusting if you ask me.
'If you live in a block or mess you must pay for food at that location'
Why can't I opt out of paying food charges? Supply my own bread, butter, cheese and make my own butties? And therefore not pay for food....
After all pay as you dine is bringing this in is it not!
So back to the SAC's on the course SAC 2 says cant afford the food i'll make my own butties how can he be forced to pay for RAF food.
Seems to me that the Detachment food budget in Afgan and Iraq is costing to much and they need to claw it back some how...disgusting if you ask me.
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So back to the SAC's on the course SAC 2 says cant afford the food i'll make my own butties how can he be forced to pay for RAF food.
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Ah but Matt, SAC2 got there first in the end got SAC1s billet and SAC1 had to use the hotel.
Do keep up.
Do keep up.
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Ah sorry, I didn't think he would actually make as I suggested, must have got an earlier train. Anyway would the SAC 2 be allowed to make sandwiches in the block?
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More to the point, where would he be able to buy the sandwiches?
I suppose if he was in SLAM he could use the kitchen.
It really is a b** of w***.
I did a course about 6 years ago. A civil servant who lived near Halton and actually travelled further to work every day was authorised to be resident on the course so he could mix with others on the course.
He was in the Holiday Inn in Aylesbury, two other civil servants were in different hotels/b&b and all the uniforms were in NOM. Socialisation
I suppose if he was in SLAM he could use the kitchen.
It really is a b** of w***.
I did a course about 6 years ago. A civil servant who lived near Halton and actually travelled further to work every day was authorised to be resident on the course so he could mix with others on the course.
He was in the Holiday Inn in Aylesbury, two other civil servants were in different hotels/b&b and all the uniforms were in NOM. Socialisation
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I think that you can claim £5 per night incidental expenses, to cover the cost of a newspaper, 3 min phone call and laundry, whether in Mess or Hotel accom.
Initially, no receipt was needed as the sum was under £5, then you did need to provide proof of expenditure, now I believe it has reverted to a flat rate of £5 per night.
Initially, no receipt was needed as the sum was under £5, then you did need to provide proof of expenditure, now I believe it has reverted to a flat rate of £5 per night.
As per usual VVCH, you are behind the drag curve.
Incidental Expenses (IE) is claimed at a FLAT RATE of £5 per night (UK) and £10 per night (Overseas). NO reciepts are required, NO proof of expenditure is required.
It all changed on 1 May 07.
ZH
Incidental Expenses (IE) is claimed at a FLAT RATE of £5 per night (UK) and £10 per night (Overseas). NO reciepts are required, NO proof of expenditure is required.
It all changed on 1 May 07.
ZH
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Samurai, are you sure it is only about RAF? Is it a self-inflicted wound not aimed at RN and Army?
As for Civil Servants, whilst I applaud your concentration on servicemen I think you should also look at the civil service too. If they are doing the same job, and many are, at lower pay (not whinging), why are their T&C so different?
You could argue all day about the x-factor but the CS is entitled to a non-mess accomodation and half a bottle of wine per evening meal. The subsistence is not capped. Education allowances are consideraby greater although the SLC does someting to redress that balance.
There are many little perks attached to the CS. You should be asking why you are discriminated against.
As for Civil Servants, whilst I applaud your concentration on servicemen I think you should also look at the civil service too. If they are doing the same job, and many are, at lower pay (not whinging), why are their T&C so different?
You could argue all day about the x-factor but the CS is entitled to a non-mess accomodation and half a bottle of wine per evening meal. The subsistence is not capped. Education allowances are consideraby greater although the SLC does someting to redress that balance.
There are many little perks attached to the CS. You should be asking why you are discriminated against.