Flying pay
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Flying pay
Well as the grow bags are moaning about food then it's time to raise this issue:
Flying pay why is it a daily rate? Should it not be paid for hours flown?
After all most other rates are based on WHAT YOU DO not a flat rate.
Come on Aircrew spill the beans how many hours do you fly on average per month?
OK the transport boys fly a bit but how about the fighter boys ?
FLYING PAY PAID PER HOUR IS MY CALL.
Flying pay why is it a daily rate? Should it not be paid for hours flown?
After all most other rates are based on WHAT YOU DO not a flat rate.
Come on Aircrew spill the beans how many hours do you fly on average per month?
OK the transport boys fly a bit but how about the fighter boys ?
FLYING PAY PAID PER HOUR IS MY CALL.
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Good question Blogger. Pull up a sandbag and let's educate you before you get bitter....
It's a recruitment and retention pay award, not a pay for actual amount of time spent in the sky.
Hours flown are at the mercy of tasking, serviceabilities and Op necessity. Also the 5 mins spent in the hover by your Chinnok pilot picking up troops in Afg is different to the 5 min show of force by GR4's in Telic which is different to the 5 mins (depending on total onload / refuel rate
) spent by the VC10/ Tri* pilot refuelling the fighters which is also different to the 5 minutes spent by the Nimrods on task. I could go on.
What doesn't vary is the skills, talent and fortitude they all display that needs to be retained by HM Forces and so we have Flying Pay.
Saying that though, maybe we should pay people's basic wage hourly and not daily ? That'd scare nearly everyone except those on Ops that do the majority of the work. Not may people earn their daily rate IMO for what they do at their home base.
How's that for an answer ?
It's a recruitment and retention pay award, not a pay for actual amount of time spent in the sky.
Hours flown are at the mercy of tasking, serviceabilities and Op necessity. Also the 5 mins spent in the hover by your Chinnok pilot picking up troops in Afg is different to the 5 min show of force by GR4's in Telic which is different to the 5 mins (depending on total onload / refuel rate
) spent by the VC10/ Tri* pilot refuelling the fighters which is also different to the 5 minutes spent by the Nimrods on task. I could go on. What doesn't vary is the skills, talent and fortitude they all display that needs to be retained by HM Forces and so we have Flying Pay.
Saying that though, maybe we should pay people's basic wage hourly and not daily ? That'd scare nearly everyone except those on Ops that do the majority of the work. Not may people earn their daily rate IMO for what they do at their home base.
How's that for an answer ?
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Yes as I thought not a single answer on flying hours! Just comments like we the all mighty are better than you. Thats why aircrew are loved so much.
It's not the wages or the money it's attitude of so few doing everythink to put down so many. I have more respect for some of my hard working SAC's than some aircrew.
As for should have tried harder at school I have a degree and my own business (Ltd Company) which is VAT reg (because of the turn over) and I earn a lot more than most aircrew but then I am not up my own ar$e about it so to speak. So thats 2 reasons to be getting out.
See ya on the outside..........days to do!
Any takers on the flying hours or should I request a FOI return to all aircrew in the RAF?
It's not the wages or the money it's attitude of so few doing everythink to put down so many. I have more respect for some of my hard working SAC's than some aircrew.
As for should have tried harder at school I have a degree and my own business (Ltd Company) which is VAT reg (because of the turn over) and I earn a lot more than most aircrew but then I am not up my own ar$e about it so to speak. So thats 2 reasons to be getting out.
See ya on the outside..........days to do!
Any takers on the flying hours or should I request a FOI return to all aircrew in the RAF?
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Many Aircrew are on non-stop operational flying duties and therefore do not have the time to tally up their flying hours, especially in order to justify their existence to bitter types like yourself.
No doubt you will come back with a "I too have done my time operationally" type of retort. Plenty of time to run your company in your spare time though
No doubt you will come back with a "I too have done my time operationally" type of retort. Plenty of time to run your company in your spare time though
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"As for should have tried harder at school I have a degree and my own business (Ltd Company) which is VAT reg (because of the turn over) and I earn a lot more than most aircrew"
Anyone else name the 1975 hit by Supertramp.............got to number 13.............Dreamer
Anyone else name the 1975 hit by Supertramp.............got to number 13.............Dreamer
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The reason why there is no mention of flying hours because it has very little to do with flying pay (other than the title).
The idea behind flying pay is a recruitment and retention initiative. If you PVR you aren't being retained, therefore your flying pay is cut.
Gunners who are getting the retention bonus aren't given a quota for deployments (AFAIUI) but they are leeching like nobodies business and the only way (it seems) to keep them in is to give them more money. If the MOD decided to do away with flying pay, then the aircrew would walk to civvie street, either to fly in the airlines or some other sector or for those who can't pilot, work somewhere else.
The MOD is slowly realising that it needs to pay its staff more to keep them in if they can't sort out all the other push factors, but funny old thing they can't afford to pay the sort of money to keep them in!!
The idea behind flying pay is a recruitment and retention initiative. If you PVR you aren't being retained, therefore your flying pay is cut.
Gunners who are getting the retention bonus aren't given a quota for deployments (AFAIUI) but they are leeching like nobodies business and the only way (it seems) to keep them in is to give them more money. If the MOD decided to do away with flying pay, then the aircrew would walk to civvie street, either to fly in the airlines or some other sector or for those who can't pilot, work somewhere else.
The MOD is slowly realising that it needs to pay its staff more to keep them in if they can't sort out all the other push factors, but funny old thing they can't afford to pay the sort of money to keep them in!!
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Heres a thought Blog, as you are so rich, have only days to do and can happily put your fingers up at the system tell us who you are and where you are at then someone will come on and verify your assertions..................however as most of us who post on here can smell bullsh1t even over the ether I am not holding my breath waiting for your reply..........................
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"As for should have tried harder at school I have a degree and my own business (Ltd Company) which is VAT reg (because of the turn over) and I earn a lot more than most aircrew"
Anyone else name the 1975 hit by Supertramp.............got to number 13.............Dreamer
Anyone else name the 1975 hit by Supertramp.............got to number 13.............Dreamer
After all 30 minutes after leaving the gates they don't care about you so spend as much time as you can get planning that exit date and that job/business on the outside your wife and kids need you to do well after all you don't want your kids to join the rAF do you?