BA currently recruiting Military pilots - until 31 May 2007
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Flashdance9,
To merely reinforce Ham Phisted's comments about the lack of LH jobs, yes, what he says is true (and confirmed from BA's 'Recruiting Command'). However, there are NO long-haul jobs avail in the UK at the mo. So, back to my oft-stated point, you can get a short-haul job at BA (because that is all you will get anywhere else at the mo) WITHOUT a bond. Again, there is NOWHERE else in the UK that you have that advantage.
The new LH jets are coming, so the opportunities to swing to LH will come too. You can't change to LH, if that is what you hanker for, with the lo-co outfits. Nor can you change, say, from LH to SH with the likes of Virgin, if you fancy a change. If nothing else, the BA recruitment opportunity allows folk to dip their toe in the water and see what the whole airline job application thing is about.
flipster,
How are you doing buddy? Sounds like the whole orange thing agrees with you. As long as you're happy, thats the important bit.
To merely reinforce Ham Phisted's comments about the lack of LH jobs, yes, what he says is true (and confirmed from BA's 'Recruiting Command'). However, there are NO long-haul jobs avail in the UK at the mo. So, back to my oft-stated point, you can get a short-haul job at BA (because that is all you will get anywhere else at the mo) WITHOUT a bond. Again, there is NOWHERE else in the UK that you have that advantage.
The new LH jets are coming, so the opportunities to swing to LH will come too. You can't change to LH, if that is what you hanker for, with the lo-co outfits. Nor can you change, say, from LH to SH with the likes of Virgin, if you fancy a change. If nothing else, the BA recruitment opportunity allows folk to dip their toe in the water and see what the whole airline job application thing is about.
flipster,
How are you doing buddy? Sounds like the whole orange thing agrees with you. As long as you're happy, thats the important bit.
Rumour today was 130 Airbus conversions this year and 700 over the next three years. Could be good (ish) times again.
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I can imagine that BA will extend the RAFCARS application beyond 31 MAY 07, if anyone could post the GAI link for normal internet access that would be great.
No trying to change the subject but does anyone know if Cathay will accept applications from people who have just done the mil bridging number of exams package since on their website it seems to stipulate that you must have done all 14 exams.
Thanks
No trying to change the subject but does anyone know if Cathay will accept applications from people who have just done the mil bridging number of exams package since on their website it seems to stipulate that you must have done all 14 exams.
Thanks
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abbotyobs,
The problem is not so much with Cathay as the Chinese CAA. when converting your license to a Chinese one they want to see what marks you got in which exams. Consequently, trying to explain how the Mil license works baffles them and they say 'non' ...... or whatever 'no' is in Chinese.
At the early stages of the 'Mil dispensations JAR license', I am led to believe, a couple of guys with such licenses did get in Cathay and Dragonair 'under the radar' but then the Chinese CAA put their foot down and stopped it. Consequently Cathay, and others, said they wanted all the exams done to avoid jousting with their CAA. So, it is a problem with any of the Chinese airlines.
That said, I recall that a friend, with such a license, did get 'promising noises' from Cathay and did the whole of their recruiting process. What the outcome was I do not know. You will really have to try and touch base with someone in Cathay/Dragonair or similar who can get up to date gen.
Best of luck.
Why do you believe BA will keep the 'window' open past 31 May? I think it will be more like closing this recruiting round and, if necessary, opening another later in the year. Thats the way it usually happens.
The problem is not so much with Cathay as the Chinese CAA. when converting your license to a Chinese one they want to see what marks you got in which exams. Consequently, trying to explain how the Mil license works baffles them and they say 'non' ...... or whatever 'no' is in Chinese.
At the early stages of the 'Mil dispensations JAR license', I am led to believe, a couple of guys with such licenses did get in Cathay and Dragonair 'under the radar' but then the Chinese CAA put their foot down and stopped it. Consequently Cathay, and others, said they wanted all the exams done to avoid jousting with their CAA. So, it is a problem with any of the Chinese airlines.
That said, I recall that a friend, with such a license, did get 'promising noises' from Cathay and did the whole of their recruiting process. What the outcome was I do not know. You will really have to try and touch base with someone in Cathay/Dragonair or similar who can get up to date gen.
Best of luck.
Why do you believe BA will keep the 'window' open past 31 May? I think it will be more like closing this recruiting round and, if necessary, opening another later in the year. Thats the way it usually happens.
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MrBernoulli
Thanks very much for your help.
You are probably right about BA reopening the RAFCARS scheme later on in the year, I was just speculating.
Thanks for the info re the rules for all 14 exams to be completed for Chinese airlines.
Thanks very much for your help.
You are probably right about BA reopening the RAFCARS scheme later on in the year, I was just speculating.
Thanks for the info re the rules for all 14 exams to be completed for Chinese airlines.
Hi, MrB!
Last year, I raised the topic of 'Chinese acceptance' with the CAA chap who had been chiefly responsible for the 'Mil accreditation' scheme. He told me that yes, there had been a problem, but that the Hong Kong-CAA had then been given fuller details of the scheme and had accepted it.
That chap has now left the CAA, I understand, and I don't know who is currently responsible for such policy.
Or indeed whether the 'Mil accreditation scheme' will continue under EASA.
Is there anyone in whatever 'manning' is called these days looking after this significant recruiting and retention incentive nowadays......???
Last year, I raised the topic of 'Chinese acceptance' with the CAA chap who had been chiefly responsible for the 'Mil accreditation' scheme. He told me that yes, there had been a problem, but that the Hong Kong-CAA had then been given fuller details of the scheme and had accepted it.
That chap has now left the CAA, I understand, and I don't know who is currently responsible for such policy.
Or indeed whether the 'Mil accreditation scheme' will continue under EASA.
Is there anyone in whatever 'manning' is called these days looking after this significant recruiting and retention incentive nowadays......???
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Beags,
Do you mean that the Chinese CAA will accept our mil accreditation scheme,
and not require applicants to have done all 14 exams?
I would think it unlikely that fcl will stop the mil accreditation scheme.
Just for interest in a euro country not far from ours, the mil accreditation scheme requires all mil pilots to do 11 exams, so the UK CAA one is pretty good!
Thanks
Do you mean that the Chinese CAA will accept our mil accreditation scheme,
and not require applicants to have done all 14 exams?
I would think it unlikely that fcl will stop the mil accreditation scheme.
Just for interest in a euro country not far from ours, the mil accreditation scheme requires all mil pilots to do 11 exams, so the UK CAA one is pretty good!
Thanks
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Greetings BEagle. Thanks for that bit of useful info re 'Chinese acceptance'. Interesting that abbotyobs says of Cathay " ...... since on their website it seems to stipulate that you must have done all 14 exams." Perhaps they haven't bothered updating their website?
(Am in Singapore at the mo ..... lots of 'boys-toys' electronic stuff to tempt one.)
(Am in Singapore at the mo ..... lots of 'boys-toys' electronic stuff to tempt one.)
I do NOT know whether Cathay/Dragonair still require all exam passes, the information I had was in a conversation with Simon White when I was at a CAA EASA conference.
CAA-FCL will have no say in EASA MIl accreditation; it is up to someone in the MoD to ensure that the scheme will not have been overlooked in the headlong lemming-charge which is EASA-FCL.
MrB - I trust that the boys' toys which are so tempting in Singapore are all electronic in nature.....
I'll bet some of your crew will find certain locals........interesting?
CAA-FCL will have no say in EASA MIl accreditation; it is up to someone in the MoD to ensure that the scheme will not have been overlooked in the headlong lemming-charge which is EASA-FCL.
MrB - I trust that the boys' toys which are so tempting in Singapore are all electronic in nature.....
I'll bet some of your crew will find certain locals........interesting?
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Thanks Beags for your help, do you think the introduction of EASA next year will have an impact on national requirements for mil accreditation schemes, so that ours may well change?
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Last time I spoke to the Cathay recruiters they did say that the Mil bridging package was not accepted by the Chinese. It didn't seem to be a big issue tho as they said that Cathay would send you on a course in Adelaide to complete the necessary study and exams. This was about 6 months ago tho so things may have changed.
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BA currently recruiting Military pilots: EXTENDED until 31 July 2007
As well as the RAFCARS path, I see that the DEP scheme is open until 15 June 2007. Get cracking with your applications lads and lasses - you know you want to! (You will need a A320 or B737 for the DEP scheme - I don't suppose too many of you have that?)
Managed Path/RAFCARS (Service Pilot Hold Pool)
Ref UKLHR350
Region UK - Heathrow
Location London - Heathrow
Category Technical & Operations
Job Description
Closing Date: 31st July 2007
The Managed Path/RAFCARS Scheme is for experienced high calibre Military pilots who want to develop their careers with one of the most progressive international airlines in the business.
Requirements
* Minimum of 1500hrs on any MOD service aircraft.
* Member of Managed Path or RAFCAR schemes.
* You must be within 2 years of your immediate pension point or exit date.
Skills, Knowledge and Expertise
* At the point of application there is no requirement to have an ATPL, however an ATPL or 'frozen' ATPL will be required prior to the offer of a pilot contract.
* You will be current on any MOD service aircraft.
* You will need a first class flying record and a good level of physical fitness.
* Demonstrable evidence of leadership, intellect, determination, reliability, high personal standards, motivation, flexibility, well developed customer service skills and teamwork.
You as a Person
* Physically fit and meet the requirements for the issue of a JAA/CAA Medical Licence (Class 1) and able to satisfy British Airways medical requirements. Please note that British Airways’ medical criteria for employment is of a higher standard than the CAA requirement.
* Height between 1.57m (5'2") and 1.91m (6'3") with weight in proportion to height (height is accurately determined during the assessment process). Qualified pilots who are taller than 1.91m may submit an application but will be required to undergo a functionality check to confirm their ability to meet the requirements of the seating positions in the British Airways fleet of aircraft.
* Spoken and written fluency in English.
http://www.britishairwaysjobs.com/ba...zoabfmagchjfod
Direct Entry Pilot Scheme (Hold Pool) Shorthaul/Longhaul
Ref UKLHR351
Region UK - Heathrow
Location London - Heathrow
Category Technical & Operations
Job Description
Closing Date: 15th June 2007
First Officer
The Direct Entry Pilot Scheme is for experienced high calibre pilots who want to develop their careers with one of the most progressive international airlines in the business.
Requirements
You will need:
* An ATPL(F) with at least 1000 hours recent experience on a turbojet/turboprop transport category aeroplane with a MTOM greater than 10 tonnes or an approved passenger seating configuration of not less than 20 passengers.
OR
* A current type rating on either the Airbus A320 series or Boeing 737, with an ATPL(F) and a minimum of 500 hours recent experience on type.
Skills, Knowledge and Expertise
* You will have a full UK issued JAA/CAA ATPL(F).
* You will need a first class flying record and a good level of physical fitness.
* You will demonstrate evidence of leadership, intellect, determination, reliability, high personal standards, motivation, flexibility, together with well developed customer service skills and teamwork.
You as a Person
* You will be physically fit and in possession of a JAA/UK CAA Medical Licence (Class 1) and able to satisfy British Airways medical requirements. Please note that British Airways’ medical criteria for employment is of a higher standard than the CAA requirement.
* Height between 1.57m (5'2") and 1.91m (6'3") with weight in proportion to height (height is accurately determined during the assessment process). Qualified pilots who are taller than 1.91m may submit an application but will be required to undergo a functionality check to confirm their ability to meet the requirements of the seating positions in the British Airways fleet of aircraft.
* You will have fluency in spoken and written English.
http://www.britishairwaysjobs.com/ba...kdbxjfzuuxdyfn
Managed Path/RAFCARS (Service Pilot Hold Pool)
Ref UKLHR350
Region UK - Heathrow
Location London - Heathrow
Category Technical & Operations
Job Description
Closing Date: 31st July 2007
The Managed Path/RAFCARS Scheme is for experienced high calibre Military pilots who want to develop their careers with one of the most progressive international airlines in the business.
Requirements
* Minimum of 1500hrs on any MOD service aircraft.
* Member of Managed Path or RAFCAR schemes.
* You must be within 2 years of your immediate pension point or exit date.
Skills, Knowledge and Expertise
* At the point of application there is no requirement to have an ATPL, however an ATPL or 'frozen' ATPL will be required prior to the offer of a pilot contract.
* You will be current on any MOD service aircraft.
* You will need a first class flying record and a good level of physical fitness.
* Demonstrable evidence of leadership, intellect, determination, reliability, high personal standards, motivation, flexibility, well developed customer service skills and teamwork.
You as a Person
* Physically fit and meet the requirements for the issue of a JAA/CAA Medical Licence (Class 1) and able to satisfy British Airways medical requirements. Please note that British Airways’ medical criteria for employment is of a higher standard than the CAA requirement.
* Height between 1.57m (5'2") and 1.91m (6'3") with weight in proportion to height (height is accurately determined during the assessment process). Qualified pilots who are taller than 1.91m may submit an application but will be required to undergo a functionality check to confirm their ability to meet the requirements of the seating positions in the British Airways fleet of aircraft.
* Spoken and written fluency in English.
http://www.britishairwaysjobs.com/ba...zoabfmagchjfod
Direct Entry Pilot Scheme (Hold Pool) Shorthaul/Longhaul
Ref UKLHR351
Region UK - Heathrow
Location London - Heathrow
Category Technical & Operations
Job Description
Closing Date: 15th June 2007
First Officer
The Direct Entry Pilot Scheme is for experienced high calibre pilots who want to develop their careers with one of the most progressive international airlines in the business.
Requirements
You will need:
* An ATPL(F) with at least 1000 hours recent experience on a turbojet/turboprop transport category aeroplane with a MTOM greater than 10 tonnes or an approved passenger seating configuration of not less than 20 passengers.
OR
* A current type rating on either the Airbus A320 series or Boeing 737, with an ATPL(F) and a minimum of 500 hours recent experience on type.
Skills, Knowledge and Expertise
* You will have a full UK issued JAA/CAA ATPL(F).
* You will need a first class flying record and a good level of physical fitness.
* You will demonstrate evidence of leadership, intellect, determination, reliability, high personal standards, motivation, flexibility, together with well developed customer service skills and teamwork.
You as a Person
* You will be physically fit and in possession of a JAA/UK CAA Medical Licence (Class 1) and able to satisfy British Airways medical requirements. Please note that British Airways’ medical criteria for employment is of a higher standard than the CAA requirement.
* Height between 1.57m (5'2") and 1.91m (6'3") with weight in proportion to height (height is accurately determined during the assessment process). Qualified pilots who are taller than 1.91m may submit an application but will be required to undergo a functionality check to confirm their ability to meet the requirements of the seating positions in the British Airways fleet of aircraft.
* You will have fluency in spoken and written English.
http://www.britishairwaysjobs.com/ba...kdbxjfzuuxdyfn
Last edited by MrBernoulli; 12th Jun 2007 at 18:27.
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BA currently recruiting Military pilots: EXTENDED until 31 July 2007
As well as the Managed Path/RAFCARS (Service Pilot Hold Pool) having been extended to 31 July 2007, the Direct Entry Pilot Scheme (Hold Pool) Shorthaul/Longhaul scheme is also open but ends 15 June 2007. Get your skates on folks, and see post #60 at:
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...=275125&page=3
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...=275125&page=3