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Old 29th Jul 2008, 12:13
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I heard that the ship screwed up big time in the "Thursday War" last week and that the Captain and two or three Department Heads got the boot.
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His lightly-armed boarding party of 14 men and one woman were unprepared for a surprise attack by Iranian fast boats just off the Iraqi coast

Quoted from today's Sun newspaper.

What the RN needs is training in countering surprise attacks.
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The Korean war is known as the "forgotten war" because Americans have strong incentives to repress the memory of it.

Huh?

Says who?

You're thinking about this book title:

The Forgotten War: America in Korea, 1950-1953 by Clay Blair Jr. (Paperback - Mar 31, 2003)
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The Forgotten War: America in Korea, 1950-1953 by Clay Blair (Hardcover - 1987)
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In the US, the Korean war tends to be forgotten because it's overshadowed by WWII and Viet Nam.

In addition, the globalist free free free lobby wants to downplay the fact the the USA has aready been at war with China. But that set is not "Americans" in general.
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It is possible to see in retrospect the pivotal role Korea played in softening up the US for McCarthyism in the 1950s.

Utter, total horsh*&t.
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Old 30th Jul 2008, 21:00
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The Korean War by Max Hastings is far better, IMHO.
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Old 30th Jul 2008, 21:18
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I suspect that a post has gone missing in action between what may have been 1.4G's last contribution to this site for a while and Modern Elmo's reply, EOSM37.

By the by, McCarthyism was up and running four months before the Korean War kicked off, so a bit hard for that conflict to soften the Americans up if using the usually accepted pre-emptive connotations of that term...
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By the by, McCarthyism was up and running four months before the Korean War kicked off, so a bit hard for that conflict to soften the Americans up if using the usually accepted pre-emptive connotations of that term...

Thanks for reminding us of that, Archimedes.

US society in general being soft, or US POW's in Korea defecting to Communism -- neither of those were Sen. Joe Maccarthy's issues.

His obsession was Red spies, secret agents, and fellow travellers in US government in Washington ... pals and fellow travelers with the Labour gooberment in the UK that gave the Soviets the Nene engine to use in the Mig-15.

And subsequent historians have found loveable old Joe to be more right than wrong. More right -- meaning correct -- than America's left-leaning so-called intelligentisia has ever admitted or ever will admit. I'll cite some books, if anybody's interested.
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Here's appropriate reading for the pprune book club:


Soviet MiG-15 Aces of the Korean War


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Written by Leonid Krylov
Illustrated by Yuriy Tepsurkaev
  • Category: History - Military - Aviation
  • Format: Trade Paperback, 96 pages
  • On Sale: May 20, 2008 <LI class=price_DHDKF>Price: $22.95
  • ISBN: 978-1-84603-299-8 (1-84603-299-7)
Published by Osprey Publishing
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ABOUT THIS BOOK


The Soviet Union began assisting the People's Republic of China in its establishment of a modern air force in 1950, when Soviet Air Force regiments were sent to train local pilots. China's involvement in the Korean War in late October 1950 inevitably drew Soviet pilots into the war. A total of 52 Soviet pilots scored five or more victories in the Korean War. The history of these covert actions has been a long-buried secret and this book will be the first English publication to detail the only instance when the Cold War between Russia and the US became "hot." This book uncovers Soviet combat experiences during the Korean War from detailed unit histories and rare first-hand accounts. With access to extensive Russian archives, the authors offer an enthralling insight into an air war that has been largely covered up and neglected, illustrated with previously unpublished photographs and detailed full-color profiles.

About the Author

Leonid Krylov and Yuriy Tepsurkaev have been researching the covert Soviet Air Force participation in the air war over North Korea for almost 20 years, and they have published several articles and books on the subject in Russia. Their research, started in 1989, is based on Soviet documents stored at the Central Archive of the Russian Defence Ministry and recollections of veterans of the 64th IAK. During 17 years of research, the authors have accumulated recollections from over 100 participants in the Korean War, and studied several thousand archive documents ranging from debriefing and combat reports to documents drawn up by the Air Force Commander-in-Chief and the Air Force General Staff. The author lives in Russia.

http://www.randomhouse.com/catalog/display.pperl?isbn=9781846032998
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