Civvy Pilots at AEF's?
Thread Starter
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Between a Rock and a Hard Place
Posts: 158
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Civvy Pilots at AEF's?
Hi all,
I know there have been rumours recently that the RAF were again looking at pulling in civvy qualified pilots (not previously QSP's) to fly Air Cadets at AEF's.
Have any AEF's actually recruited any such pilots? If so, what experience requirements are the RAF using to select, and have they been through a CFS "hoop" in the same way OC 12 AEF had to many years ago?
I know there have been rumours recently that the RAF were again looking at pulling in civvy qualified pilots (not previously QSP's) to fly Air Cadets at AEF's.
Have any AEF's actually recruited any such pilots? If so, what experience requirements are the RAF using to select, and have they been through a CFS "hoop" in the same way OC 12 AEF had to many years ago?
Thread Starter
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Between a Rock and a Hard Place
Posts: 158
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I have done, hence the question. Nothing generated on this topic under AEF or Air Experience Flight in the Military Aircrew Forum.
I do recall the previous thread, however I do not recall anyone actually having been recruited, or how the RAF were going to administer the programme.
Any further advance on the standard "Use the search" gaff?
I do recall the previous thread, however I do not recall anyone actually having been recruited, or how the RAF were going to administer the programme.
Any further advance on the standard "Use the search" gaff?
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Not the front line
Posts: 87
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I wouldn't have thought they'd look at changing the rules unless we were desperately, desperately short. Are we?
My local AEFs run a good trade with all the retirees and those PVRing, so at the last look there was a waiting list!
My local AEFs run a good trade with all the retirees and those PVRing, so at the last look there was a waiting list!
Join Date: May 1999
Location: Sunny (or Rainy) Somerset, England
Posts: 2,026
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
There are waiting lists on most AEFs and I have not heard anything about recruiting civvies. But then the fact that I have heard nothing probably means very little! 
Champagne anyone...?
Join Date: Oct 1999
Location: EGDL
Age: 54
Posts: 1,420
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Knew you'd be lurking there somewhere!
Thanks for the chance though - sadly her Maj decided my time would be better spent out East. Currently revelling in the excitement of being in the UK for more than three weeks!
PS. You still fly over my garden.....to whom should I direct my complaints??
Thanks for the chance though - sadly her Maj decided my time would be better spent out East. Currently revelling in the excitement of being in the UK for more than three weeks!
PS. You still fly over my garden.....to whom should I direct my complaints??
Wholi', knowing Stoppers' contempt for aeros (or 'aerobation' as he used to call it), it doesn't surprise me that he turned down the chance of abusing small children in Das Teutor!
Actually, before he puts any Hawaiian shirt photos on the thread, I hasten to add that actually he was quite good at aeros!
Actually, before he puts any Hawaiian shirt photos on the thread, I hasten to add that actually he was quite good at aeros!
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: On Resettlement
Age: 55
Posts: 36
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
wfff06,
Winged holding officers have been doing the AEF thing for much longer than 2 years, I remember at least 2 at 8 AEF in 1992. Moreover, surely if they have 'Wings' then they are QSPs, just not necessarily front-line.
Winged holding officers have been doing the AEF thing for much longer than 2 years, I remember at least 2 at 8 AEF in 1992. Moreover, surely if they have 'Wings' then they are QSPs, just not necessarily front-line.
Join Date: May 1999
Location: Sunny (or Rainy) Somerset, England
Posts: 2,026
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Actually, you are pretty much all correct in one way or another.
Holding officers used to fly with AEFs a long time ago. Then the rules changed such that you had to have held and retained Service wings and have at least 500 hours first pilot to qualify to fly cadets.
The holds got longer and there were more people in the system and so pragmatism came to the rescue of common sense and holding officers were allowed to hold with AEFs and fly cadets if they had gained a high average grade on their "wings" course. They also have to be approved by Gp Capt Flying Training (unless his post title has changed again) and also by OC 1 EFTS.
There was (and still is) one person flying cadets who did not have military wings. He is the exception that proves the rule, and I am unaware of any new plans to relax the requirements. If I hear of any changes I'll let you know.
Holding officers used to fly with AEFs a long time ago. Then the rules changed such that you had to have held and retained Service wings and have at least 500 hours first pilot to qualify to fly cadets.
The holds got longer and there were more people in the system and so pragmatism came to the rescue of common sense and holding officers were allowed to hold with AEFs and fly cadets if they had gained a high average grade on their "wings" course. They also have to be approved by Gp Capt Flying Training (unless his post title has changed again) and also by OC 1 EFTS.
There was (and still is) one person flying cadets who did not have military wings. He is the exception that proves the rule, and I am unaware of any new plans to relax the requirements. If I hear of any changes I'll let you know.
Or the paradox where a 17 year old Space Cadet with a PPL could take a QSP flying in a civil Grob, but the QSP couldn't take the cadet flying in a military Grob.......!
Incidentally, a pilot with 'wings' is not a QSP until he/she has attained CR status. (Although for PPL issue, 'wings' are sufficient).
!Incidentally, a pilot with 'wings' is not a QSP until he/she has attained CR status. (Although for PPL issue, 'wings' are sufficient).
