No More Free Food!!
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No More Free Food!!
Another nail in the coffin...When you go on a course or det in the UK you'll have to pay for your food.....
"With effect from 1 July 2007 - The current entitlement to free meals at public expense for up to 30 days for Service personnel on Detached Duty/Temporary Assignments who do not normally incur a Daily Food Charge (Unaccompanied Food Charge (UFC) and SFC) at their permanent duty station will be removed. This will also apply from 1 July 2007 for those already on Detached Duty/Temporary Assignments. Personnel will be required to pay for the meals they take in a PAYD unit. In a non-PAYD unit the Daily Food Charge (SFC or UFC) will be levied direct from pay for those classed as ‘living in’ i.e. provided with Single Living Accommodation for the duration of Temporary Assignment; all other personnel will pay the appropriate ECMC for any meals taken"
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"With effect from 1 July 2007 - The current entitlement to free meals at public expense for up to 30 days for Service personnel on Detached Duty/Temporary Assignments who do not normally incur a Daily Food Charge (Unaccompanied Food Charge (UFC) and SFC) at their permanent duty station will be removed. This will also apply from 1 July 2007 for those already on Detached Duty/Temporary Assignments. Personnel will be required to pay for the meals they take in a PAYD unit. In a non-PAYD unit the Daily Food Charge (SFC or UFC) will be levied direct from pay for those classed as ‘living in’ i.e. provided with Single Living Accommodation for the duration of Temporary Assignment; all other personnel will pay the appropriate ECMC for any meals taken"
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What next???
Eating is not a function of being at work, so why should they pay? If you weren't on a course what then? Starve?
As a singley liver-outerer type, I've never understood the whole bean-stealing mentality.
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Radalt the point is the course that you are on at the detached unit is for the services benefit, the service has sent you on the course and just as it pays for your travel and accomodation at a hotel if no service accom is available it should also pay for your food.
Imagine a young LAC married with three children in the run up to xmas or the month after xmas ( even worse ) his missus has spent all the months remaining money on food, his cupboards are full, he then gets sent on a two week course short notice cos someone else pulls out! he is then expected to pay for his food through no choice of his own!!
If you are happy with the erosion of morale sapping rules like this then good luck to you but the rest of us aren't.
Imagine a young LAC married with three children in the run up to xmas or the month after xmas ( even worse ) his missus has spent all the months remaining money on food, his cupboards are full, he then gets sent on a two week course short notice cos someone else pulls out! he is then expected to pay for his food through no choice of his own!!
If you are happy with the erosion of morale sapping rules like this then good luck to you but the rest of us aren't.
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Will we start to see, 'sorry Boss I can't go on that Det/Training cse, because I can't afford it'.
Yet another perk gone. Well done to the beancounters
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Yet another perk gone. Well done to the beancounters
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I think Ginseng is alluding to the fact that if this info were to be contained within a DIN, for example, it would have the restriction (Not to be communicated to anyone outside HM Service without authority)!
I wonder why anybody would issue such a caveat?
I wonder why anybody would issue such a caveat?
Lets not feed aircrew when flying either, yes, that'll save a few pennies....
But lets not worry too much about having to pay for food on courses because after all we can take it out of our super pay rise....
But lets not worry too much about having to pay for food on courses because after all we can take it out of our super pay rise....
It is surely reasonable for someone to be given the delta cost between the cost of feeding him/herself at home and the cost of obtaining it at a Service Mess or commercial source when detached. But free? Definitely on Ops - but during courses in the UK? Hmmm......
If I recall correctly, the reason we didn't get charged for food at RAF Mount Pleasant was because we worked 6 days a week. Although the number of pongo Landrovers parked outside the Officers Mess on Saturday morning when I used to go to work would seem to indicate that not everyone actually did work 6 days out of 7. But it was good to do a nice low overshoot on the short RW over the Officers Mess to wake up the hungover brown jobs! The mighty Vickers WhisperJet is quite good at doing that!
As for whingeing beanstealers, try putting yourselves in the position of the living-out singly who has to throw out all the perishable food items whenever he/she is subject to short-notice detachment.....
If I recall correctly, the reason we didn't get charged for food at RAF Mount Pleasant was because we worked 6 days a week. Although the number of pongo Landrovers parked outside the Officers Mess on Saturday morning when I used to go to work would seem to indicate that not everyone actually did work 6 days out of 7. But it was good to do a nice low overshoot on the short RW over the Officers Mess to wake up the hungover brown jobs! The mighty Vickers WhisperJet is quite good at doing that!
As for whingeing beanstealers, try putting yourselves in the position of the living-out singly who has to throw out all the perishable food items whenever he/she is subject to short-notice detachment.....
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I have been claiming any charges I have had to pay in Messes since 1 Apr, 'cos I can't find anything in the JSP that tells me I can't. If I'm allowed to claim actuals for food and accommodation when not staying in a Mess, I don't see why it should be any different when I do!!
I have been claiming any charges I have had to pay in Messes since 1 Apr, 'cos I can't find anything in the JSP that tells me I can't. If I'm allowed to claim actuals for food and accommodation when not staying in a Mess, I don't see why it should be any different when I do!!
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And that, my spanner-wielding friend, is fraud.
See you at your Court Martial and we will see if your defence line 'well it doesn't say I couldn't do it' holds up.
Not worth it fella...
See you at your Court Martial and we will see if your defence line 'well it doesn't say I couldn't do it' holds up.
Not worth it fella...
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I hope you read the maintenance books better than you do the allowances manual:
'Subsistence is defined as prepared food, drink, necessary personal expenditure and temporary accommodation expenses incurred when travelling on duty.'
Straight from Chap 3 Sect 1. If you are living in the mess as your Residence at Work you can't claim and, to be honest, you're an idiot if you think otherwise.
'Subsistence is defined as prepared food, drink, necessary personal expenditure and temporary accommodation expenses incurred when travelling on duty.'
Straight from Chap 3 Sect 1. If you are living in the mess as your Residence at Work you can't claim and, to be honest, you're an idiot if you think otherwise.
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Thereagain, perhaps what Maintainer meant was that when travelling on duty, he stops at Service PAYD units for his meals and reclaims the actual costs, within capped DS limits. One interpretation of the JSP would be that, since he was not provided with Service accomodation (because he did not need it), and no "Service food" was "provided" (because he had to pay for it himself), the claim would appear to qualify. I can't see anything specific that would disqualify it either, but I haven't put the question to an expert.
So, don't be quite so quick to throw t6he word "fraud" around. It has nasty, and sometimes incorrect, connotations.
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So, don't be quite so quick to throw t6he word "fraud" around. It has nasty, and sometimes incorrect, connotations.
Regards
Ginseng