No More Free Food!!
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What about mess charges?
Fellas, what about when you go on duty to another mess and you have to pay for the room (irrelevant of the price i know it s pennies.). Eventhough you are paying for your own room or quarter at home? Do you know any other company (we are a plc after all) who asks its employees to pay for their hotel room whilst on duty??
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Presumably it is only one step further to take away the duty meal while travelling. Same logic applies - you would have to take a packed lunch to work, take one when you travel....
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Vecvechook, go on a course let's say to Henlow or Cranwell or whatever.
Don t you have a mess bill to pay in the morning? Yes you do even on duty. Do you not pay a mess bill at home already? Did you read the papers at your home base that day? Thought not....
Stupid system.
Don t you have a mess bill to pay in the morning? Yes you do even on duty. Do you not pay a mess bill at home already? Did you read the papers at your home base that day? Thought not....
Stupid system.
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So.....
Let's get this straight. If I'm at my home unit and go to the Mess for lunch I'd be expected to pay, yet if I were on a course at say, Cranwell, the same lunch'd be free? Sorry, but I still don't see how displacing myself by a distance of X miles entitles me to free food.
Or is it on the grounds "there's no alternative when on a residential course"?
Friend of mine works for a very large, very well known blue chip IT corporation.
Their profits are measured in billions and they are generally regarded as an industry leader when it comes to staff perks.
And he still has to pay for all his own meals wherever he happens to be at the time. The time I visited his office he even had to buy my coffee.
Let's get this straight. If I'm at my home unit and go to the Mess for lunch I'd be expected to pay, yet if I were on a course at say, Cranwell, the same lunch'd be free? Sorry, but I still don't see how displacing myself by a distance of X miles entitles me to free food.
Or is it on the grounds "there's no alternative when on a residential course"?
Friend of mine works for a very large, very well known blue chip IT corporation.
Their profits are measured in billions and they are generally regarded as an industry leader when it comes to staff perks.
And he still has to pay for all his own meals wherever he happens to be at the time. The time I visited his office he even had to buy my coffee.
With regards to inflights:
I have been informed by my OC Cat Flt (At some secret base between Oxford and Henley) that the rules have/are changing.
Part of the conversation went like,
" Well, if you live in quarters and you know you are going away tasking for the day, then you will have to bring your own pack up!"
I cant see the curry munchers at ISK or Waddo pitching up with their own grub somehow. Don't do it..........
Can those who work for the Real Air Force confirm that their rules are changing? No I didn't think so!
I have been informed by my OC Cat Flt (At some secret base between Oxford and Henley) that the rules have/are changing.
Part of the conversation went like,
" Well, if you live in quarters and you know you are going away tasking for the day, then you will have to bring your own pack up!"
I cant see the curry munchers at ISK or Waddo pitching up with their own grub somehow. Don't do it..........
Can those who work for the Real Air Force confirm that their rules are changing? No I didn't think so!
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So I live off base in my own home. the RAF sends me away on a course and makes me live in the mess I now have to pay for the food.
Well I don't want to pay for mess food I shall go else where to eat how can the RAF force me to pay for their food ?
I don't think they can.
RAF messes the sooner they are scrapped the better.
Well I don't want to pay for mess food I shall go else where to eat how can the RAF force me to pay for their food ?
I don't think they can.
RAF messes the sooner they are scrapped the better.
What about us bean stealers? Heard a nasty rumour that we'd have to start paying the food and accom when we choose to leave our families settled, in good schools, in nice areas and choose not take a lovely DHE quarter. 
Surely the bottom line is that no one should be disadvantaged if they are working away.
Examples would be,
Single bloke living in already pays for his food so if working away food should be provided or he should be able to claim for cost.
Married bloke living out, wife can put a meal on the table for around £2.50 a head and probably a lot less. Therefore anything over this he should be compensated for.
Nobody should expect to profit from the system, but they should not loose out either.
My employer currently provides bed and breakfast if overnighting, £4 for lunch, £18 without receipt or reasonable amount above this receipted for evening meal including a glass of wine or beer.
This is not regarded as generous. It was interesting that we had to fight for the £18 as the company would have preferred to pay possibly higher amounts receipted. The reason being they didn't want people living on fish and chips in order to pocket the balance. They felt that eating correctly and healthily was an issue.
Examples would be,
Single bloke living in already pays for his food so if working away food should be provided or he should be able to claim for cost.
Married bloke living out, wife can put a meal on the table for around £2.50 a head and probably a lot less. Therefore anything over this he should be compensated for.
Nobody should expect to profit from the system, but they should not loose out either.
My employer currently provides bed and breakfast if overnighting, £4 for lunch, £18 without receipt or reasonable amount above this receipted for evening meal including a glass of wine or beer.
This is not regarded as generous. It was interesting that we had to fight for the £18 as the company would have preferred to pay possibly higher amounts receipted. The reason being they didn't want people living on fish and chips in order to pocket the balance. They felt that eating correctly and healthily was an issue.
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Post No 16 which states:
Originally Posted by Comp Charlie
in order to pick up some role equipment (P-Strops etc) and some ovens from recently decommisioned old K-Models.
)The Herc has plenty of food on board, ask the liney's how many bags of food they take off the Herc on the AF servicings.
Rumour has it that Vecetcetcetc once AGREED with someone, he was charged, but was let off because it was his first offence.
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Saving pennies to spend millions.
Just another example of how the ‘powers that be’ are eroding the meagre benefits of being in the Service. Saving pennies, but probably costing a whole heap more to administer (like capped actual imprests), pi$$es off the very expensive (to train) Serviceman, who leaves and has to be replaced. If it is such a good idea, why don't the Airlines do it that way: Civilian Best Practice? Or is this part of the plan to get down to the ridiculously low manning levels.
The argument about in-flight catering has been made before, and the Flight Safety organisation has a very clear view, so the bean counters will have to think again.
Come on MoD, get a grip, and play the long game for once.
The argument about in-flight catering has been made before, and the Flight Safety organisation has a very clear view, so the bean counters will have to think again.
Come on MoD, get a grip, and play the long game for once.
It'll be the over 37 package next, mark my words along with commercial rates for both SMQ and Mess Accom. Every year, something else is taken away. Any one know of something we have been given recently? Increase in LSAP? Increase in MMA @ PCR? IT that is actually connected to JPA? Rant potential rising, signing off.
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I have it on good authority that a new house purchase incentive will be introduced for first-time buyers by the end of the year, but that in order to offset the cost of it, the Treasury are insisting that those that take it will have to pay commercial rates if living in the Mess, away from their house. This will eventually be extended to all bean-stealers. At least it might justify accommodating senior ranking beanies in suites (to keep their 5 light blue shirts and couple of sets of civvies in) while genuine junior ranker livers-in make do with a pokey room to keep their entire lives in!!
"As for flying in a Herc....rather not winger...rather not."
I'm sure all Hercules crews will be gald to learn that!
As for senior beanstealers in suites, regrettably that seems to be at the PMC's discretion. At the covert Oxonian aerodrome there was a points system based upon marital status and seniority. That decided where an individual would go on the waiting list for a suite (if they wanted one) - so living-in JOs invariably moved up the list quicker than ancient S/L beanstealers. At Coningsby, no beanstealer was allowed onto the waiting list for suites - but at Honignton if you were a student you were banished to the Orlits even though there might be empty rooms in the main OM. I recall paying full food and accom whilst 'existing' in an asbestos clad dog kennel whilst a beanstealer blunty from Wittering lived in a room with his 3 shirts and washing kit absolutely free - and didn't even pay for his 3 meals in the mess per day. Hopefully those days have now gone?
I'm sure all Hercules crews will be gald to learn that!
As for senior beanstealers in suites, regrettably that seems to be at the PMC's discretion. At the covert Oxonian aerodrome there was a points system based upon marital status and seniority. That decided where an individual would go on the waiting list for a suite (if they wanted one) - so living-in JOs invariably moved up the list quicker than ancient S/L beanstealers. At Coningsby, no beanstealer was allowed onto the waiting list for suites - but at Honignton if you were a student you were banished to the Orlits even though there might be empty rooms in the main OM. I recall paying full food and accom whilst 'existing' in an asbestos clad dog kennel whilst a beanstealer blunty from Wittering lived in a room with his 3 shirts and washing kit absolutely free - and didn't even pay for his 3 meals in the mess per day. Hopefully those days have now gone?
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As for senior beanstealers in suites, regrettably that seems to be at the PMC's discretion.
So I guess we will enjoy the perks of a suite once we have been in long enough....