Flying Pay

[Cockney Geezer]

ZH 875,

Hoo cares about spelling and gramma, dats wot ISS is 4, aigght.

CG

[FFP]

Ah good. The thread had sunk into the depths of "dry your eyes", "should have worked harder at school" and a spelling and grammar marking session.

The predictable PPRuNe path of least resistance

[Aynayda Pizaqvick]

PBA, at least you have got the idea. The other main problem is that the RAF didn't exactly advertise the fact that they had changed the rules, so many continued to serve for a couple of years before finding out they would not be eligible.

[Minstral]

Slightly different situation but same financial penalty!

I had a bursary from Aug 02 until I joined up in Oct 04. Whilst on the UAS I did all my flying in the Summer hols as my uni was 1hr30 drive from the airfield and there was no weekend flying. I finished EFT in mid Sep 03 having only flown 19 trips since Oct 02.

If I had prior warning of the impending deadline I could have easily completed my last 10 trips before the deadline, but I didn't find out a deadline even existed until I started IOT a year later. Hence, I had no reason to rush!
My joining letter for IOT states that I joined under the terms and conditions in PAM(Air)96 42nd Edition (the 72 wk scheme).

I am sure that if this was a civil case the management would not have a leg to stand on. I have tried pursuing this through PSF and PMA with the backing of my then UAS QFI who agreed I could have completed the course had we known there was a deadline. The last reply I had was from a GC who didn't respond to any of the points I made in my letter and merely told me that I would not be receiving it.

Apart from taking this up to the Air Force Board there aren't many options left. Even that doesn't seem to get a personal response judging by the posts in this thread!

The thing I really don't understand though, is that there can only be 100-150 people who have a case that they can put forward regarding flying pay. So why don't they just pay up and keep the hardworking trainee pilots happy rather than making them spend their spare time writing letters begging to be reconsidered and making them hate the system before they are even operational!

Guess I'll just have to be bitter for the rest of my career!

And just to add to the pain some of the people on my course who I graduated IOT with are getting flying pay!!!!

[Hot Charlie]

So why don't they just pay up and keep the hardworking trainee pilots happy rather than making them spend there spare time writing letters begging to be reconsidered and making them hate the system before they are even operational!
Guess I'll just have to be bitter for the rest of my career!

Quite. I wonder if the retention bonus to keep people in once their return of service is complete will out-weigh the saving afforded by the cut to flying pay?

[LuckyBreak]

I must say that it is really a shame the fact that a few of you are effectively getting 'screwed over' with this. If you joined (and by that I mean started IOT, as a bursary is not the employment guarantee many would have you believe) before the retrospective cut-off date was introduced, then I would keep pushing whoever is your current boss to get on the case for you, or at leat put his/her name to it. I know of people who have appealed against it and got their flying pay in the end, so use them as a precedent. Good luck!

PS: Spelling and grammar usage is important, typos can be accepted but using THROUGH instead of THREW is not the way you're going to get your cash! Or is someone fishing........

[Aynayda Pizaqvick]

Try putting something in writing under a lawyers letter head - that has got the RAF running on more than one occasion and rightly so!

[blackpants]

Just a minor technicality which may have been overlooked. When you join the RAF as a graduate, your actual commission starts on the first day of IOT. As a DE your commission does not start until the day you graduate from IOT. As has been stated several times before the bursary is just a carrot on a stick being dangled in front of people, not actually a contract of employment.

BP

[Mmmmnice]

It's all a rather sad tale of goalposts moving - but nothing new in real terms. The unfortunate fact is that when one is sitting around with no a/c to fly, or secondary duties to chase, it's probably worth browsing through SROs, then AP3392 (Blunt Bible, but full of all sorts of relevant stuff), JPA (good luck), and finally get onto HR Flt and ask them if there's anything about to change. This all seems like the sort of stuff that aircrew are far too lofty/lazy to worry their incredibly skilled minds about (ha ha), but good ammo if one ends up having to build a case. It all sounds a bit muppety but just remember that when you are on leave, or looking the other way, someone, somewhere, is probably doing you up like a kipper!!
P.S in days of yore (1980) one got 99p Flying Instructional Pay from day dot! not much, but a little compensation for all that grief!