Brize Car Parking - How secure??
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Behave. Live 20 miles the wrong side of the base but still picked up from the front door at silly o'clock in the morning and delivered back 4 months later without question.
I guess the Staish wanted to make sure I actually went!
Behave. Live 20 miles the wrong side of the base but still picked up from the front door at silly o'clock in the morning and delivered back 4 months later without question.
I guess the Staish wanted to make sure I actually went!
Not many like that now since the LEV....(Lean Event Virus)
Probably because when you leave your vehicle, you put your forces ID card in your pocket and don't leave it on display in the window like a car pass, so the car can be seen to legit. No car pass in a car at BZN, but driver has an ID card in his pocket at MPA, is not a lot of use to the security forces.
However, taking Wannabees thinking one stage further if all visitors have to come through the main gate and past RAFP / MOD Plod / SERCO or whoever then why do we have to lock secrets away at night or indeed need combination locks to get into the Mess / barrack block etc. Surely everybody has been checked ....
Memories are short.
Memories are short.
The car is driven onto the base by someone with a valid ID, so it's legit...
What the occupant does once on the camp is irrelevant - we don't lock away secrets or have combination locks on buildings to stop evil cars committing crimes by themselves!
So how, following Wrathmonk's logic, would enforcing car passes stop anyone getting up to no good? (it clearly doesn't work, does it?!)
The sad fact is that the people committing crimes at Brize and elsewhere were all entitled to be there (whether serviceman/contractor/visitor), and that we're not safe even behind the wire. Making them get a car pass would only delay their nefarious activities by 5 minutes (or 25 mins, knowing Brize!).
I'm grateful to Nat for his original warning, and fully understand his feelings on discovering the theft. Great shame.
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Just because someone has been checked and allowed entry to any Station doesnt automatically mean that the person/serviceman/contractor or whoever is a fine upstanding, law abiding citizen.
There are lots of untrustworthy, robbing barstewards in the forces.
I agree with QFIHawkman that the RAF Police gets alot of bad press but when Stations were 'Policed' by the Snowdrops with a full compliment on shift, then thefts etc were significantly reduced.
There are lots of untrustworthy, robbing barstewards in the forces.
I agree with QFIHawkman that the RAF Police gets alot of bad press but when Stations were 'Policed' by the Snowdrops with a full compliment on shift, then thefts etc were significantly reduced.
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"Can't stand these gits who whinge about crime all the time, back to the car checking. I'm still on, and I need one more red then I'll take a blue followed by the colours. With a bit of luck, and providing that weirdo with the yellow punto's in today, I can finish with a break of 72 here!"
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And don't say it doesn't go on - it's one of the reasons I bought a silver car!
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Thinking of the other picture, isn't "Iraq is Unsafe" a bit polite and weeny for the political slogan department.....
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.....it's as if Poll tax protesters had chanted:
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When I were at Brize, it was the IRA who were the threat. We TG1 airmen manned the barriers at both the main gates and the inner fence as a "station duty". (Shinies were exempt - presumably because there was weather outside and it might kill them). Because that made us stroppy, no-one got in or out without stopping, getting out of the vehicle, opening the bonnet and boot and producing their papers. I once held the RAF Regiment Warrant Officer fifteen minutes because he refused to get out of the car. Leave security to the security people and look what happens. 
We didn't have combination locks on our barracks then either - if we found anyone in our block who didn't belong, they were beaten to a pulp and slung in the skip. It wouldn't have been a good idea to park a bicycle outside the terminal building around meal times, though. It was a bloody long walk from LSS to the airmens' mess!
We didn't have combination locks on our barracks then either - if we found anyone in our block who didn't belong, they were beaten to a pulp and slung in the skip. It wouldn't have been a good idea to park a bicycle outside the terminal building around meal times, though. It was a bloody long walk from LSS to the airmens' mess!
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So thats 'FOR SALE Roof bars. Fits L/Rover Freelander £50 ONO'
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"However, taking Wannabees thinking one stage further if all visitors have to come through the main gate and past RAFP / MOD Plod / SERCO or whoever then why do we have to lock secrets away at night or indeed need combination locks to get into the Mess / barrack block etc. Surely everybody has been checked ...."
That would be taking my line of thought to a logical, if absurd conclusion. There is a big difference between someone having parked in B carpark when they should have been in C carpark, to leaving TS material lying around.
Thankfully I haven't spent a lot of my time hanging around RAF carparks, but when at MPA I did notice that the main focus of the base's service police forces seemed to be to ensure that the reserved car parking spaces at the Mess weren't used by unauthorised personnel. There are at least a hundred of them reserved for people ranging from the Boss to OIC Ice Clearance Ops (I'm paraphrasing, but this is an actual officer!). So as you can imagine, its a pretty big job.
You have to wonder...
That would be taking my line of thought to a logical, if absurd conclusion. There is a big difference between someone having parked in B carpark when they should have been in C carpark, to leaving TS material lying around.
Thankfully I haven't spent a lot of my time hanging around RAF carparks, but when at MPA I did notice that the main focus of the base's service police forces seemed to be to ensure that the reserved car parking spaces at the Mess weren't used by unauthorised personnel. There are at least a hundred of them reserved for people ranging from the Boss to OIC Ice Clearance Ops (I'm paraphrasing, but this is an actual officer!). So as you can imagine, its a pretty big job.
You have to wonder...
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Acting upon information recieved that this thread was up and running I thought I might offer the following:
During my time at BZN certain members of the Movements Sqn felt the urge to ''borrow'' cars from the long stay car park for their own private use, often for several days at a time. They got caught in due course.. Perhaps they have come out of retirement, or jail, to start again, or their grown up kids are following in their footsteps?
During my time at BZN certain members of the Movements Sqn felt the urge to ''borrow'' cars from the long stay car park for their own private use, often for several days at a time. They got caught in due course.. Perhaps they have come out of retirement, or jail, to start again, or their grown up kids are following in their footsteps?
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Plods finally arrived. Accusing the Movements section at Brize Norton for the theft of parts of a car without evidence. Typical RAFP.
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As in the RAFP are simply not capable of such and in depth investigation or the Pikey Movers have got such a great scam going that even Morse would struggle to solve it
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This invoice from Pikey & Sons Car Accessories must be wrong. I can't believe our new roof bar mounted Police lights were so cheap!