UK military pay rise 2007

[BEagle]

How do you expect Bliar, Brown and Browne to fund their next Bush bum-licking war if they give the folks in the Armed Forces a pay rise?

[advocatusDIABOLI]

Good Rumour, heard today..... a whacking 'about to start another war somewhere else' pucker 4.4%

That's rumours for you........ just what they are.

Advo

[LFFC]

Now, I like that rumour! If it's true, then tomorrow may be just the day to announce it.

Iran defiant on nuclear programme

[vecvechookattack]

Thousands of Ministry of Defence managers and technical staff, angry over a pay deal, are to go on strike for the first time in 25 years

Did they do it ? Did I miss it?

[Safety_Helmut]

can't resist it:

How many civil servants work in the MoD ?..................











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Just under half of them !



still makes me laugh.



S_H

[unclenelli]

Gotta Wait For It!

vecvechookattack Quote:
Did they do it ? Did I miss it?

Gotta wait til 28th Feb mate - that's the date that "Prospect" union have decided on for the strike.

[Kitbag]

From samuraimatt:

Our members feel that the offer is an insult to loyal, dedicated staff, who have been working hard to maintain and improve support to the front line while facing massive changes in the size and shape of the MoD civil service."

Maybe that should read;

"Our Soldiers, Airmen and Sailors feel that the offer is an insult to loyal, dedicated staff, who have been working hard to maintain and improve Iraq and Afghanistan while facing massive changes in the size and shape of the Armed Forces coupled with chronic underfunding and being treated as second class citizens.."

I wholly agree with your sentiment, but feel a tad jealous and very aggreived that the TU at least have someone speaking up for them in public, there seems to be one of those hauntingly familiar deafening silences from both CAS and the much vaunted BAFF

[mutleyfour]

Gotta wait til 28th Feb mate - that's the date that "Prospect" union have decided on for the strike

They are of course due back at work on the 29th!

[forcesdiscounted]

We May Just Count Ourselves Lucky

Believe it or not - there are some civilians who do a good job but I have to say they have also been treated apallingly.

What do you think would have been posted here if we had to wait until now for a pay rise we should have got in August. Especially is it was 2.5%.

Lets face it if you work in defence we all get shafted!!!

[Aeronut]

past AFPRB reports were published:

8 Feb 96
6 Feb 97
29 Jan 98
1 Feb 99
15 Feb 00
9 Feb 01
29 Jan 02
8 Feb 03
23 Feb 04
22 Feb 05
16 Feb 06



If it is not released today they have achieved a new high score in tardiness!!

[LFFC]

Or perhaps the Treasury are having some problems agreeing with the AFPRB's recommendations?

Either way, given the speed at which JPA works, I doubt if we'll see any pay rise on our April pay checks now! I bet that will go down well with the troops in the field!

[formertonkaplum]

Silence...

It is odd that the news has not come forward yet as it has historically by now been announced.

With the amount of people "in the know" who use / read / post on this forum.... someone must be able to shed light on the lack of announcement?

Or even a strong rumour about the amount of increase?


Anyone else heard 13% ? And Retention incentives for Critical areas not just in the flying arena?

[South Bound]

Stop teasing

[SidHolding]

Are they expecting the RPI/CPI figures for Feb to be lower than Jan (3.7% and 2.4%.... I think), then announce it?!?

I heard a rumour that any pay rise will be awarded in 2 parts, April and Nov/Dec.

Sid.

[MLT]

I rang the Office of Manpower Economics on Tuesday (number is on their website under AFPRB) and they said that the report had been finished but had yet to be published (no kidding). I was told it would be published anytime within the next couple of weeks. So it does seem as though the Gov are taking their time in agreeing with the boards recommendation.

[jonesy1275]

An AVM from Innsworth visited Brize yesterday to listen to the gripes of the lower ranks. Obviously wages was mentioned and he said that it was his duty to sell the RAF to the AFPRB. The anouncement will be next week but don't expect anything spectacular with possibly only .1% higher than the inflation rate.
However, he did mention that next years pay rise will be a lot better.

[L J R]

So an AVM made a futile attempt to keep you guys in for a further year with what he (she) thinks is a retention one-liner. Then you PVR and have to wait a further year - 12 months to PVR if my research has it right. This shows how much the RAF's leadership is so stuck in last century.

What a frickking joke....

[Tiger_mate]

'Twas 1978 when the Service wives marched on our behalf down Downing Street. It is a sad reflection of appreciation if this is to happen again. Especially with so many lives in danger as I write and 49 already lost in Afghanistan; Fathers, Brothers, Sons etc, and they dont make headline news anymore.

However when the MOD employed civvies got a 2.5% offer, I cannot see the Govt offering HM Forces finest a dime more. The is a big differance between the serviceman of '78 and nowadays though, in that we are prepared to be far more publicly vocal, and fear the repercusions significantly less.

The Labour Govt of 75 as we all know destroyed the RAF beyond belief, and I cannot see Tony giving a toss in the coming months. Still private aviation will benefit from hiring back all the hardware that 'we no longer need'.

The Hawker Hunter came back into service after Typhoon, what the F is happening!!!!

[Biggus]

How can an AVM possibly say that next years pay rise will be a lot better?

Each year a totally separate AFPRB sits to decide the pay increae. There is often an upper cap set by the Treasury/Government policy of the day, based on economic conditions/inflation rate, etc. Who can predict in advance what the situation will be in a years time?

Perhaps the AVM is anticipating a significant increase in the 'X' factor, as I believe this is to be re-evaluated in 08.

Unless of course the AVM is trying to promise the troops 'jam tomorrow'. I'm sure that is not the case.....

[BleepBleep]

It doesn't matter whatever figure they finally announce I'll bet a pound to a pinch of s t that whatever charges we pay are increased by a lot more than the rate of the pay rise.

As for the retention incentive comments, surely you don't expect that sort of thing just after a 15% reduction in staff due to redundancy? (Tongue firmly in cheek) It would be interesting to know what the PVR figure was before and after the redundancy announcements. Rumour has it that some branches (mine for example) are haemorrhaging individuals after they found they didn't get redundancy.



Melchett wrote:

Yes, I'd love to see that. IIRC, weren't MPs asking for something like a 66% pay rise to take them up to £100k at the back end of last year? Apparently to take them into line with people like doctors - the fact that doctors actually EARN their £100k seemed to have escaped most politicians. From what I can gather £60k + huge pension + "services" of a secretary seems more than enough for an bunch of unqualified liars.

The probem is that we are now in the era of the proffessional politician. Gone are they days when our MPs had already proved themselves in real life, be it medicine, business or heaven forbid the military!!! before they decide it is time to give someting back to the nation by putting themselves forward for public political life. Now we have these political studies graduates who think they are owed a living and they can achieve this through their time in parliment. With the chance that a large number of them are not going to see another term is it any surprise that the "cash for honours" spectre is prowling the corridors of Whitehall?!!